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I noticed a discrepancy in timeanddate website
« on: November 20, 2024, 05:14:22 PM »
https://ibb.co/4g5StwM
https://ibb.co/dQhmgVt
Why is the moon's location displayed in two, very different areas on these maps?
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Re: I noticed a discrepancy in timeanddate website
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2024, 10:07:18 PM »
Not sure what you're saying, or seeing here. 

Assuming the time-stamp is within about an hour for both charts (La Porte IN, UTC -5).  The Sun/Moon position chart is showing the moon roughly mid-Pacific.  The mid-Pacific (let's say the International Date Line) is about 90deg west of Indiana, which is going to put the Moon's apparent elevation roundabout the horizon, which corresponds with the Moonset Chart; 5 deg. 

It's on a similar latitude but, because your eye-line is following more-or-less a Great Circle, that is going to appear to be north from due west, hence moon direction of 297deg seems plausible. 

By a coincidence it was a bright sunny day here in my UK town and around 11.00am (UTC) the mrs pointed out that the moon was still visible.  It was roughly 20deg above a prominent local mountain which is NNW from here.  (edit; sorry, WNW, about 300deg).
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Re: I noticed a discrepancy in timeanddate website
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2024, 07:13:48 AM »
Well, as you state, " The Sun/Moon position chart is showing the moon roughly mid-Pacific."

On the moon position chart, the moon is clearly shown in position over the tip of Lake Michigan.
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Re: I noticed a discrepancy in timeanddate website
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2024, 09:43:13 AM »
I think you're just misreading the chart my friend. 

The icon beside Lake Michigan is just showing the chosen location of the observer (LaPorte Indiana) as stated in the chart header.  It doesn't provide an icon for the actual Moon position. 

The table of data relates to observations from that place; moonset time, current azimuth and elevation, etc.  So at the time stated, from LaPorte, the moon would be visible just above the horizon to the WNW. 

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Re: I noticed a discrepancy in timeanddate website
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2024, 11:52:18 AM »
I see your point. I understand the pointer is the location of the observer.

But I still think you are misreading the chart, given that I was there in person on that day and observed the moon overhead north of my ground-based position.

Had the moon been over the Pacific, it would have been much further West in the sky.
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Re: I noticed a discrepancy in timeanddate website
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2024, 05:05:56 PM »
OK.  Just wondering how you judge the bearing; compass, local geo features? 

Must admit I've not used this website before and, unlike yesterday, the weather was not suitable for observation.  I might do a comparison next time the weather's clear and come back with what I see!  Compare notes.

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Re: I noticed a discrepancy in timeanddate website
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2024, 05:08:41 PM »
That would have been use of a compass and local geographic features.
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Re: I noticed a discrepancy in timeanddate website
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2024, 07:41:33 PM »
I took a look at that Date, Time, and general location on Stellarium and the Moon appears to be North of West as well:



Direct Link: https://i.imgur.com/LynOa77.jpeg
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Re: I noticed a discrepancy in timeanddate website
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2024, 08:47:28 PM »
Apparently Magnetic Declination is almost 0 around that area, so that can't be used as an excuse

https://www.nwcg.gov/course/ffm/location/65-declination