[Action80]

^ITT LD, the warmonger.

[Lord Dave]

I suppose if we did have a nuclear Armageddon, there wouldn't be enough survivors to have another war for a while...

[Action80]

There will not be nuclear war Armageddon.

[Rushy]

If they're willing to kill them with nukes, what's stopping them from using it on us too?

The fact that we supposedly have them as well.

Better kill them first before they try to kill us.

It's all about escellation.

Why would the US escalate to nuclear war over Ukraine? You still haven't answered the question beyond "because they just would, okay?". Come on, use your big words. Tell me why America would decide to kill itself if Russia landed a one megaton warhead in a Ukrainian city.

[garygreen]

why the fuck would russia nuke ukraine, that doesn't make an ounce of sense

[Rushy]

why the fuck would russia nuke ukraine, that doesn't make an ounce of sense

Luckily, nuclear bombs are not real, so we don't have to worry about it.

[Lord Dave]

If they're willing to kill them with nukes, what's stopping them from using it on us too?

The fact that we supposedly have them as well.

Better kill them first before they try to kill us.

It's all about escellation.

Why would the US escalate to nuclear war over Ukraine? You still haven't answered the question beyond "because they just would, okay?". Come on, use your big words. Tell me why America would decide to kill itself if Russia landed a one megaton warhead in a Ukrainian city.

Trump will see it as a Challenge to his authority as the most extreme president and rain fire and fury down like never before.


But generally speaking:
The use of a particular weapon in any conflict signals two things:
1. There is now a bigger risk to other groups that said weapons could be used on them.
2. That the weapon used is now acceptable or at least justifiable to use in conflict.

So, should Russia use Nuclear weapons, especially in a situation that doesn't warrant their use, the world will take that as a threat to their own cities and retaliate to ensure Russia can't nuke everyone else to gain power.  All with the hope of disabling Russia's ability to use Nuclear weapons before they can attack other cities with them.

[honk]

Biden pardoned Hunter.

[Action80]

I have fond memories of Chi-Town during the Daley years. Richard J., when being hounded by the press over exercising influence in getting his son, Richard M., out of some legal difficulties, simply stated, "Hey, if you can't help family, who can you help?"

[Lord Dave]

Biden pardoned Hunter.

Fuck Joe Biden.

Corrupt piece of shit!

[AATW]

Biden pardoned Hunter.

Fuck Joe Biden.

Corrupt piece of shit!

Thank goodness we have a man of integrity coming in to take his place.
(But yes, I largely agree)

[Lord Dave]

Biden pardoned Hunter.

Fuck Joe Biden.

Corrupt piece of shit!

Thank goodness we have a man of integrity coming in to take his place.
(But yes, I largely agree)

I just had a thought.

What if he did it to stop Trump from making an example of him?

Like Trump convinces the judge to impose some stupidly high punishment and then uses that as a political springboard to show how evil and corrupt all Democrats are?

[Action80]

I just had a thought.

Really?

What if he did it to stop Trump from making an example of him?

Nah, you didn't.

[AATW]

This seems like a pretty stupid power for a president to have. Trump pardoned a load of his mates and cronies, what Biden has done is probably worse.

[Action80]

Trump pardoned a load of his mates and cronies...

Call them "cronies," if you like, but the "press visible," ones all related to the RUSSIA, RUSsia, Russia, bullshit news cycle. None of those people deserved any sort of conviction to begin with (it was all made for TV).

[AATW]

Trump pardoned a load of his mates and cronies...

Call them "cronies," if you like, but the "press visible," ones all related to the RUSSIA, RUSsia, Russia, bullshit news cycle. None of those people deserved any sort of conviction to begin with (it was all made for TV).

That's as may be, but I still believe that a president should not have the power to unilaterally pardon - what Biden has done demonstrates why, it's a flagrant abuse of power. Pardoning is the sort of thing kings used to do, haven't we moved on from that sort of thing?

[Action80]

That's as may be, but I still believe that a president should not have the power to unilaterally pardon - what Biden has done demonstrates why, it's a flagrant abuse of power. Pardoning is the sort of thing kings used to do, haven't we moved on from that sort of thing?

I am unsure what you mean by "unilateral" power, except to be championing some sort of Executive Pardon Board somehow supervising the entire DOJ, which is absolutely asinine.

The POTUS can only act on Federal Crimes, not state or civil wrongs.

Like I wrote, there is no reason for anyone to get all worked up NOW over Superfreak Pedo pardoning his crackhead, STD ridden-offspring, especially when you've been begging for this very thing the entire fucking time.

[Lord Dave]

Trump pardoned a load of his mates and cronies...

Call them "cronies," if you like, but the "press visible," ones all related to the RUSSIA, RUSsia, Russia, bullshit news cycle. None of those people deserved any sort of conviction to begin with (it was all made for TV).

That's as may be, but I still believe that a president should not have the power to unilaterally pardon - what Biden has done demonstrates why, it's a flagrant abuse of power. Pardoning is the sort of thing kings used to do, haven't we moved on from that sort of thing?

I suspect it was done as a balance of power.  Like if the courts make a federal law more strict than the president feels it should be, the president can effectively make enforcement worthless by pardoning anyone found guilty of it.

[honk]

This seems like a pretty stupid power for a president to have. Trump pardoned a load of his mates and cronies, what Biden has done is probably worse.

I don't see how you'd come to that conclusion, given how, as you pointed out, Trump did this exact same thing many times, while Biden did it just once. Is the fact that it's his son and not a crony supposed to make it worse? If anything, I'd say that there's some slight ethical mitigation for it to be his son. I'd sooner forgive a politician abusing his power to protect his son than a politician abusing his power to protect a crony. In any case, though, I agree with you that the pardon power is outdated at best. I'd like to see it be amended out of the Constitution.

[Rushy]

it's his son and not a crony

Now this is funny.