WTF are you talking about cars for? All countries have cars and resultant deaths, start a new thread if it bothers you and stop trying to deflect the fact that your addiction is killing your own people in vast numbers in addition to car/drug/donkey deaths
Using your logic, we should ban cars or for you get rid of your car because of how many people died from them.
Again, with the cars! Okay let me try and deal with your deflection and your attempt at second guessing my logic.
Cars and their ilk are methods of transport that are integral to all modern societies, the way they have evolved has resulted in hard boxes on wheels that move at speed at the behest of humans of varying competence. The human body has evolved in an environment that, for all but a very recent span of time, did not include hunks of steel travelling at 70mph, hence it does not fare too well when said conveyances, due to any manner of reasons, malfunction or run afoul of circumstance. Cue injury and death. This is a fact of modern living which I accept as a fundamental risk, much the way my ancestors would have stampeding buffalo or wolf attacks, as I avail myself of the considerable advantages of having it/them.
Much of the above paragraph could be re-worded for guns, except for the first line part “integral to all modern societies”, here we would have to substitute “the US and various lawless states”. The subsequent “injury and death” are an additional burden to the second case that the former do not have to bear. It is this additional burden, that we have decided not to tolerate, that we are discussing here.
So, you are stating that more US citizens have defended themselves against assailants in that period, with guns, than died in all the wars? If that’s the case (and I’m calling bullshit), then I think that our point that guns are bad for society is proven. As millions of Muricans having to whip out their six-shooters to fend off their own neighbours is something that doesn’t happen at all in Europe.
So self defense is bad? If we were talking about martial arts would you say the same thing? X amount of people used Krav Mega for bad but far more people used Krav Mega for good.
You are missing the point again, If millions of you regularly need to draw guns as you state (“more people have used firearms for protection in the same time frame”) to fend off your fellows, then your society is fucked in a way that ours isn’t, and guns are the root.
Your analogy sucks, but let’s run through this; The Dunblane massacre was the fault of the teachers/kids in a small infant school in Scotland, as they weren’t “packing” and not that a loon was allowed a gun.
No. It's no more their fault than it is the fault of the parent for not buckling in his child because some crazy law says you can't use a seatbelt on a certain stretch of the road. I'ts the government's and/or the establishment's fault for disarming the teachers who wanted to carry.
Crazy gun-nut/paranoid logic.
Option 1. Everyone should have to have a gun, because the result of me exercising my right to weapons designed to kill (whether you like it or not, true), means that everyone is in danger by the sheer numerical odds of random mad Joe having an arsenal when he snaps. The government is culpable for deaths in schools if it foolishly believes that gun-toting teachers are probably a bad role-model for baby bubba. (US). Result; Many deaths.
Or.
Option 2. Reduce the number of guns, with the blessing of a sane populace to the extent that random Joe is extremely unlikely to be able to source arsenal. Do not arm teachers, nurses or nuns on the off-chance he does, as that is fucked up. The government is culpable for deaths in schools if it does not do this. (Europe) Result; Many less deaths.
The perpetrators of mass shootings gravitate to areas of low or no guns (No shit!) so having more guns than people (US style) still isn’t enough and areas where guns are prohibited are asking for it, what we need is more guns. And a man putting a few bullets in a guy who had finished blowing away a church full of people is proof of this? And my logic is faulty?
Yeah. if more guns equal more crime then why haven't we heard of shootings in gun shops, shows, ranges, and police stations?
Der! You said yourself, “Most mass shootings are committed in gun free zones where people aren't allowed to carry”. These are not heroic gunslingers looking to prove themselves against worthy opposition, these are lowlifes looking for somewhere to play out their sick “King Jeremy the wicked” slaughter fantasies to prove they aren’t a nobody.
How is that evidence? Is it paranoid to have a fire extinguisher?
If you carry it around the streets and sleep with it.