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« Reply #6480 on: October 10, 2020, 04:46:44 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 10, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
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Ah yes a cherry-picked interview video on YouTube with a dozen or so people.  Surely representative of the whole.

I want to play stupid games too: The people arrested for the Michigan Governor kidnapping are the perfect example of republicans.  Do I win a stupid prize now?

You certainly win the stupid prize for how astoundingly wrong you are. Those people were not Republicans or Trump supporters, they are self described anarchists who hate Trump.

Donald Trump is a 'Tyrant' and 'Not Your Friend', Says Suspect in Governor Whitmer Kidnapping Plot - Newsweek

Gretchen Whitmer plot suspect Brandon Caserta an anarchist who hated 'enemy' Trump: 'He's a tyrant' - Washington Times

Gov. Whitmer kidnap-plotter posted anarchist videos calling cops ‘violent gang’ and ‘enemies’

Daniel Harris, Part of the Whitmer Kidnap Plot Attended a Black Lives Matter “Protest”

They are anarchists who hate Trump and attend BLM protests. Just more bad leftists.

You can leave the personal attacks out, thanks.
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« Reply #6481 on: October 10, 2020, 06:20:56 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 10, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
You certainly win the stupid prize for how astoundingly wrong you are.

Please keep it civil. Warned.
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« Reply #6482 on: October 10, 2020, 06:41:55 PM »
Quote from: Rama Set on October 10, 2020, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 10, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: Rama Set on October 10, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Ah yes a cherry-picked interview video on YouTube with a dozen or so people.  Surely representative of the whole.

I want to play stupid games too: The people arrested for the Michigan Governor kidnapping are the perfect example of republicans.  Do I win a stupid prize now?

You certainly win the stupid prize for how astoundingly wrong you are. Those people were not Republicans or Trump supporters, they are self described anarchists who hate Trump.

Donald Trump is a 'Tyrant' and 'Not Your Friend', Says Suspect in Governor Whitmer Kidnapping Plot - Newsweek

Gretchen Whitmer plot suspect Brandon Caserta an anarchist who hated 'enemy' Trump: 'He's a tyrant' - Washington Times

Gov. Whitmer kidnap-plotter posted anarchist videos calling cops ‘violent gang’ and ‘enemies’

Daniel Harris, Part of the Whitmer Kidnap Plot Attended a Black Lives Matter “Protest”

They are anarchists who hate Trump and attend BLM protests. Just more bad leftists.

You can leave the personal attacks out, thanks.

A pretty hypocritical complaint coming from someone who just accused someone of playing a stupid game and giving a stupid prize, ie. that they are stupid.

It is apparent that insults and hypocrisy are all you have when you are wrong and can't win on your merits.
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« Reply #6483 on: October 10, 2020, 07:08:45 PM »
Quote from: Roundy on October 10, 2020, 02:11:56 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/09/republicans-ready-to-diss-trump-428433

This may be the best sign yet that Trump is poised for a loss: Republicans in Congress aren't reflexively licking his boots anymore!

What a ridiculous article. With the exception of Charlie Baker, who has the privilege of not having to answer to a rabidly pro-Trump electorate, these are all just tepid words of cautious disapproval from politicians who have used much stronger language against Trump in the past, only to loyally rally around him once again as soon as push came to shove. This means nothing and it changes nothing. Republicans won't abandon Trump until he's out of office and they're satisfied that his fanbase will now support normal Republicans as usual.
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« Reply #6484 on: October 10, 2020, 08:10:46 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 10, 2020, 06:41:55 PM
Quote from: Rama Set on October 10, 2020, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 10, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: Rama Set on October 10, 2020, 02:46:14 PM
Ah yes a cherry-picked interview video on YouTube with a dozen or so people.  Surely representative of the whole.

I want to play stupid games too: The people arrested for the Michigan Governor kidnapping are the perfect example of republicans.  Do I win a stupid prize now?

You certainly win the stupid prize for how astoundingly wrong you are. Those people were not Republicans or Trump supporters, they are self described anarchists who hate Trump.

Donald Trump is a 'Tyrant' and 'Not Your Friend', Says Suspect in Governor Whitmer Kidnapping Plot - Newsweek

Gretchen Whitmer plot suspect Brandon Caserta an anarchist who hated 'enemy' Trump: 'He's a tyrant' - Washington Times

Gov. Whitmer kidnap-plotter posted anarchist videos calling cops ‘violent gang’ and ‘enemies’

Daniel Harris, Part of the Whitmer Kidnap Plot Attended a Black Lives Matter “Protest”

They are anarchists who hate Trump and attend BLM protests. Just more bad leftists.

You can leave the personal attacks out, thanks.

A pretty hypocritical complaint coming from someone who just accused someone of playing a stupid game and giving a stupid prize, ie. that they are stupid.

It is apparent that insults and hypocrisy are all you have when you are wrong and can't win on your merits.

Attacking ideas vs the person has always been a distinction here.  Sorry this is a surprise to you.
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« Reply #6485 on: October 10, 2020, 08:36:20 PM »
Rama, please let us deal with the personal attack side of things. We see your point, we agree with you, and we've just issued Tom a warning. Let's try not to dwell on it for now.

Tom, please drop that part of the conversation. You can disagree with Rama's points without playground insults like "haha you win the stupid prize xD". Even if you think he's guilty of the same (I respectfully disagree), that's no excuse to stoop down to the same level.

Let's all move on from this now. Pretty please.
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« Reply #6486 on: October 10, 2020, 08:40:37 PM »
Quote from: Pete Svarrior on October 10, 2020, 08:36:20 PM
Rama, please let us deal with the personal attack side of things. We see your point, we agree with you, and we've just issued Tom a warning. Let's try not to dwell on it for now.

Tom, please drop that part of the conversation. You can disagree with Rama's points without playground insults like "haha you win the stupid prize xD". Even if you think he's guilty of the same (I respectfully disagree), that's no excuse to stoop down to the same level.

Let's all move on from this now. Pretty please.

No problem. Thank you for dealing with this.
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« Reply #6487 on: October 10, 2020, 10:15:34 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 10, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
How will Biden win if people aren't motivated enough to even attend his in person or virtual events?

OMG! NO ONE Is Showing Up to Biden-Harris Events and NO ONE Is Watching Online – Biden-Harris Have Only 3% of President Trump’s Online Viewership

OMG. There's a global. fecking. pandemic. at the moment. In-person events are not. fecking. safe.

How can you have missed this? Especially with the WH staff and Trump's inner circle dropping like flies...

How will Trump win if he throws a tantrum and won't turn up, even for a virtual debate with Biden? How does Trump have the gall to object to phoning in on the debate, DURING a phone-in to Fox News?
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« Reply #6488 on: October 10, 2020, 10:16:25 PM »
People win elections by getting votes, not views.
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« Reply #6489 on: October 10, 2020, 10:17:53 PM »
Who cares?  Not like a rally (virtual or otherwise) is going to change any minds now.
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« Reply #6490 on: October 10, 2020, 10:20:19 PM »
Quote from: Tumeni on October 10, 2020, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 10, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
How will Biden win if people aren't motivated enough to even attend his in person or virtual events?

OMG! NO ONE Is Showing Up to Biden-Harris Events and NO ONE Is Watching Online – Biden-Harris Have Only 3% of President Trump’s Online Viewership

OMG. There's a global. fecking. pandemic. at the moment. In-person events are not. fecking. safe.

How can you have missed this? Especially with the WH staff and Trump's inner circle dropping like flies...

How will Trump win if he throws a tantrum and won't turn up, even for a virtual debate with Biden? How does Trump have the gall to object to phoning in on the debate, DURING a phone-in to Fox News?

It says that the online viewership is underperforming too.

2,461,000 vs 77,500

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« Reply #6491 on: October 10, 2020, 10:36:25 PM »
Why have they only counted 5 channels for Biden, but 8 for Trump?

And who did the counting?
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« Reply #6492 on: October 10, 2020, 10:38:19 PM »
And where did you get these numbers?
And why are you counting Fox for Biden?  That would have very low viewership anyway.
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« Reply #6493 on: October 10, 2020, 10:41:47 PM »
The Repubs invited 2000 for Trump's 17 minute performance at the WH today, and 400-500 turned up... and it was Fox News that estimated the 500.

It's said it was supposed to be a 30-minute address, and he spoke for 17 minutes. He MUST be ill, if he voluntarily shuts up...

Gateway Pundit does not strike me as a neutral observer, with its references to "China Joe" and such....

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/omg-no-one-showing-biden-harris-events-no-one-watching-online-biden-harris-3-president-trumps-online-viewership/
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« Reply #6494 on: October 10, 2020, 10:58:34 PM »
It shows screen shots of how the numbers were generated on that link. They searched for Biden Phoenix on YouTube and counted the viewership results from the streams. They did the same for Trump and generated the spreadsheet.
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« Reply #6495 on: October 10, 2020, 11:02:23 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 10, 2020, 10:58:34 PM
It shows screen shots of how the numbers were generated on that link. They searched for Biden Phoenix on YouTube and counted the viewership results from the streams. They did the same for Trump and generated the spreadsheet.

Why should YouTube ONLY be taken as a reliable indicator?

And why only count 5 sources for Biden, and almost double that number for Trump?

Bias? Favouritism? One-sidedness?
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« Reply #6496 on: October 10, 2020, 11:15:26 PM »
YouTube is very popular. 73% of US adults use YouTube. And that's versus adults who do not watch online videos at all.

https://www.omnicoreagency.com/youtube-statistics/



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And why only count 5 sources for Biden, and almost double that number for Trump?

It means that those networks didn't care about Biden enough to bother to stream it, just like people don't care about Biden enough to bother to watch it.
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« Reply #6497 on: October 10, 2020, 11:16:50 PM »
Quote from: Tumeni on October 10, 2020, 11:02:23 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 10, 2020, 10:58:34 PM
It shows screen shots of how the numbers were generated on that link. They searched for Biden Phoenix on YouTube and counted the viewership results from the streams. They did the same for Trump and generated the spreadsheet.

Why should YouTube ONLY be taken as a reliable indicator?

And why only count 5 sources for Biden, and almost double that number for Trump?

Bias? Favouritism? One-sidedness?

Oh that's likely because Trump generates more youtube feeds than Biden.  Notice how they're mostly right wing. 

Either way: No point.  All it shows is that youtube thinks X number of viewers saw Trump videos on youtube.  But there is no way to know how many are, ya know, real humans.
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« Reply #6498 on: October 10, 2020, 11:26:11 PM »
The only metrics that matter from these views is the rate of undecided voters swayed, and the rate of apathetic voters prompted to vote. Good luck getting either of those metrics.

Trump also probably gets more views from his opponents than the other way around because people love to hate Trump.
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« Reply #6499 on: October 10, 2020, 11:48:18 PM »
Open a YouTube video page to make a comment on a video, the video starts, and even if the video is unwatched by you, YT still adds to the count. If a person returns when someone responds to their first comment, that counts as a "view" too...

Having the webpage with the video open is not necessarily a "watch" of the video.

Judging by the MAGhat comment volume in some of the Fox News videos I've seen, that would account for the over-inflated numbers there....
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