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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Scottish Independence
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:01:46 PM »
Are there any armchair economists around that can tell me if independence will be good or bad for Scotland? No Thork pls.
Bad.
At least in the short term.

What is the currency of Scotland?  The pound.  Can they still use it once they leave?  No one knows.
A couple banks are gonna relocate to London if they split.  So bad news there.

Basically their economy will have to do a major shift and that will not be pleasant for anyone.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Remember login broken
« on: September 15, 2014, 07:28:49 PM »
I'm on my phone (via opera) with both WiFi and cell tower net.  I also use my PC (Firefox) with sandboxie.

It'll log me out like once a month but that's it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 15, 2014, 01:26:39 AM »
Please quote normally. It's unnecessarily hard to read your posts. 

He can't. He accesses the internet through an old wooden rotary phone.
Amish Paradise?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Secure Connections
« on: September 15, 2014, 01:25:52 AM »
Yes. It takes like 15 seconds.

Do you ever login to a bank with a non-shitty website?

Good one. Okay, it's more like 6 or 7 seconds. It's simply a fact that load times will increase if the entire site is hosted through HTTPS. Whether or not the difference is negligible is debatable.
Is performance suffering the same as negligible?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 15, 2014, 12:05:00 AM »
The Oral Torah is collected in 20 volumes of Talmud, which take up a shit-ton of space on a library shelf. I would recommend reading an encyclopedia entry on the age of the Jews.

As for the comment about the Muslims, do note that Jews are capable of change. We no longer execute for adultery, and the like. Muslims still LIVE in the Seventh Century. We refer to the Torah as the basis of legislation, but amend it as necessary to reflect life in the modern world, much as the United States no longer considers the Negro 3/5 of a person, or permits slavery, etc etc, but has amended its constitution to reflect changes in life in the modern age.

As far as keeping Oral Torah straight, its harder than a non-Jew thinks. Just because its been written down, in many cases, no firm decisions have been decided on its issues. They continued to be debated today. In some cases, firm decisions have been made, but in many, different decisions are made when the situation comes up depending on the circumstances.

Since human beings, and civilisations, do not always operate logically, application of the rules of logic cannot always apply. By that standard, they would have given up the search for the first three dynasties of China since for many, many years they had found NOTHING. But they did not, and eventually, the research paid off.

At present, I must sign off. Have a pleasant day, people.

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When you see that the Written Torah is backed by the Oral Torah
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As far as keeping Oral Torah straight, its harder than a non-Jew thinks.  Just because its been written down, in many cases, no firm decisions have been decided on its issues. They continued to be debated today. In some cases, firm decisions have been made, but in many, different decisions are made when the situation comes up depending on the circumstances.
I hope you notice the contradiction here.

So what you're saying is that you DON'T have the same culture as 4,500 years ago, the Oral Torah is debated and thus is not valid evidence of anything, and the written Torah doesn't back up the Oral in all places, giving that little evidence.

Also, didn't Egyptian Myth endure for quite a few thousand years?
Greek Mythology still persist to this very day.  Though it was believed to be true for a few thousand years as well.
And isn't Hinduism the oldest religion in the world?

I submit that people do invent religions that persist for thousands of years.  People are, after all, easily led.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Secure Connections
« on: September 14, 2014, 10:10:52 PM »
Won't performance suffer if everything is encrypted?
Do you notice when you log into your bank?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 14, 2014, 01:04:00 PM »
1. Argument from age.  Logical fallacy.
2. If they contain different things then they can't back each other up.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the oral Torah has been written down at least once yes?  So its not exactly hard to keep straight.

And 4,500 years?  Are you judging this simply from the estimated age of the book you get your ideas from or were you there?

And if the former, doesn't that say more about how Jews are incapable of change than it does to prove a point about history?  Following a book's rules about culture for longer than any civilization should?

Oh!  And wouldn't that mean that while Muslims are in the 7th century, you're well in the BCE?  Meaning you are more barbaric than them?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:40:00 AM »
LEMON, I agree with you on that. RAMA SET, I'm inclined to agree with you, insofar as it is possible. But remember, they had a hard time finding a Jeep in the Sinai Peninsula from the Yom Kippur War recently because it had been buried in 50 feet of sand. So, of necessity, there are going to be lim
itations on what archaeology is able to accomplish at any one time.

And remember that the historicity of things when you're dealing with Judaism and the Jews is a little different than when you're dealing with younger civilisations. The Jewish civilisation is 4500 years old. We have maintained our culture and way of life far longer than most civilisations have on this planet, except the Chinese and possibly the Hindu (the Hindu being about the same age, and the Chinese being about 1500 years older).

Our civilisation has passed down our history through oral AND written traditions for 4500 years. When you see that the Written Torah is backed by the Oral Torah (the Oral Traditions of our Fathers), the history therein becomes a bit harder to dismiss out of hand. I am not suggesting that further research shouldn't be done. Of course it should. But what I am suggesting is that Torah gets the benefit of the doubt until such time as it is proven definitively true (most likely) or definitively false (highly unlikely).
So because Jews can read and write, the Torah must be true?
You do know that speaking what's written doesn't count as proof right?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« on: September 14, 2014, 02:56:26 AM »
They want to be airstruck?

They want as much of "the West" to fight them as possible. War polarizes beliefs. In peace time, most sane people would find ISIS' brand of radicalism to be outright disgusting, but in war anything goes. The more villages that get caught in the crossfire, the more recruits they can round up and convince that the big bad evil westerners are out to kill them.
It really is a perfect strategy.

You do horrible things against the "enemy" for the sole purpose of getting the "enemy" to attack you, which gives you the facts you need to get others to think of your enemy as their enemy.  And the more the "enemy" fights back, the more facts and recruitment material they get.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« on: September 14, 2014, 12:03:45 AM »
Obama is making his speech now.  Airstrikes are promised and all that.

Of course.
He has to look tough for the election.  And even his own party wants to kill muslims. 

Americans, generally, want them dead.  Which is sad.

Obama will not be in the next election. Why should he care?
Because for some reason the people associate the president with his party.  So if Obama does something, it's a reflection of all democrats.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 14, 2014, 12:01:39 AM »
Don't you think the criteria for what is literally true in the Bible should rely upon archaeological techniques and stringent tests of historicity rather than the teachings of an understandably biased source?


Jews are God's chosen and therefore perfect in their knowledge.  Why would they need anything else?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Doctor Who
« on: September 13, 2014, 11:05:04 PM »
I've been bad.
Didn't see Robots of Sherwood nor will I see today's episode.

But otherwise I agree.  Reminds me a little of the first doctor.

Indeed. I believe Peter Capaldi is the same age William Hartnell was when he first started playing the Doctor. The parallels are there.
Plus the whole "First" doctor they share.  He's the first of a new regeneration set.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Doctor Who
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:59:46 PM »
I've been bad.
Didn't see Robots of Sherwood nor will I see today's episode.

But otherwise I agree.  Reminds me a little of the first doctor.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:54:24 PM »
Obama is making his speech now.  Airstrikes are promised and all that.

Of course.
He has to look tough for the election.  And even his own party wants to kill muslims. 

Americans, generally, want them dead.  Which is sad.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:52:32 PM »
So you have no good criteria?
Does anyone?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Remember login broken
« on: September 13, 2014, 09:13:30 PM »
I don't have an issue.

Occasionally it'll drop the auto-login but once I click the "stay logged in" it stays. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 13, 2014, 11:55:36 AM »
Well, given that Arabs are sons of Abraham by Ishmael, & Jews are sons of Abraham by Isaac (the 2 men were half-brothers), this does stand to reason. Ought to smack my head for not thinking of this. Of course Arabs & Jews are related. But they are still separate, albeit related, ethnic groups. So yes, you're partly right, I'll grant the point. But I stand by what I said re: the Levites, the Cohanim, & Jews generally, & their various DNA markers. The Samaritans are obvious. They are mixed, half Israelite & half Assyrian, mostly.
Why do Jews usually like to mate only with other Jews despite a world wide distribution of Jews and such low population numbers?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 12, 2014, 11:19:47 PM »
QUOTE: "I did some reading on the subject.

You are wrong.  While there are genetic markers not commonly found in other groups they are all found in groups originating in the northern fertile crescent.  This includes non-jew Palestinians."

I'm not sure what reading you did, but you are full of it. Jews live all over the world. If in fact you were correct, then "Palestinians" would have the same frequency of incidence of Tay-Sachs Disease as Ashkenazi Jews do, along with other interesting genetic disorders. Even other Jews don't have the same problems, so go figure.

The fact remains that Jews are an ethnic group. You can argue this all you want, and you will lose the argument, no matter how many times you argue it. Jews from Ethiopia share genetic markers with Jews from Iraq and Jews from Germany that they do not share with "Palestinians" (or anyone else for that matter).

I would encourage you to read something intelligent, and then get back to me when you actually know what you are talking about. I realise that might be difficult for you, but do try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

Have fun.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 12, 2014, 09:52:08 PM »
I did some reading on the subject.

You are wrong.  While there are genetic markers not commonly found in other groups they are all found in groups originating in the northern fertile crescent.  This includes non-jew Palestinians.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: September 12, 2014, 09:08:36 PM »
What genetic markers make a Jew, a Jew?

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