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Other Discussion Boards => Arts & Entertainment => Topic started by: rooster on May 09, 2023, 06:02:32 PM
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I don't want to make a new topic for this every year so here we go, generic Eurovision thread.
Who I want to win because it's 10/10 Eurovision shit:
https://youtu.be/rJHe-iZ5HSI
Who will definitely not win at all but it is still ridiculous and weirdly catchy. And I just love that Germans seem to have this quality of flamboyancy and severity at the same time:
https://youtu.be/Y12_YMs9kCQ
Honorable mentions this year:
https://youtu.be/-y78qgDlzAM
https://youtu.be/se9LDgFW6ak
https://youtu.be/isZ_4AnCTnA
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let's see if thork can resist the thread (we know you still lurk). the rooster/thork banter once a year is worth the price of admission.
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Good news! 4 out of my 5 favs made it through to the Grand Final.
Bad news is that Germany wasn't one of them. 😔
I knew they wouldn't win but I'm very surprised Croatia advanced instead of them lmao
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Oh nvm, Germany is already in the final. They're a member of the big five so they automatically qualify. 🤸
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Really? You lot follow Eurovision? I didn't know it was a thing outside Europe.
I used to like it when Terry Wogan (oh Google him) used to do the commentary and take the piss out of it all.
Now, it's a bit shit. I haven't even heard our song.
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Really? You lot follow Eurovision? I didn't know it was a thing outside Europe.
It's not. Thork brought it up years ago and I've been into the weird trash songs ever since. I've tried to get my friends interested but Americans truly do not care which is weird considering it's one of the few times we can laugh at Europe for being silly.
Will Ferrell did a movie about it in 2020 and still very few Americans seem aware of its existence at all.
I haven't even heard our song.
Your songs are always super boring so I don't even remember what it is.
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it's one of the few times we can laugh at Europe for being silly.
Didn't you see the Coronation? :)
That's more British silliness than European, but I think it counts.
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Sweden won with a boring song.
https://youtu.be/b3vJfR81xO0
General consensus is that it's only because it's ABBA's 50th anniversary and they want Sweden to host next year. Also that the vote should be 100% public because they're tired of how rigged it is.
Can't say I disagree, I almost never care about the winners except for Måneskin.
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The voting is based mostly on politics rather than how good the song is. It’s part of why I’m not interested. In the wake of Brexit we routinely scored very poorly because most of Europe were like “screw you!” (With some justification, to be fair).
We all know why Ukraine won last year.
We did awfully this year but by all accounts the song (which I still haven’t heard, and don’t intend to) was rubbish
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The voting is based mostly on politics rather than how good the song is
Yes I know, thank you for mansplaining. I previously said why they think the juries went the way they did. Italy won the first year after COVID because they had it so rough but fortunately Måneskin was also great.
England's songs are also always shit but not enough to come in last. Same with Germany. And if the public had their way Finland would have won.
Anyway, the winner isn't what makes it fun, it's the songs and performances. I still listen to older Eurovision songs that I liked.
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I still wish they would stop singing in English. Half of the interesting stuff about Europe is the linguistic diversity that was wiped out by colonialism in most other parts of the world. Why suppress it?
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I still wish they would stop singing in English. Half of the interesting stuff about Europe is the linguistic diversity that was wiped out by colonialism in most other parts of the world. Why suppress it?
Couldn't agree more.
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The voting is based mostly on politics rather than how good the song is
Yes I know, thank you for mansplaining.
You can fuck off with that shit. My gender and yours are irrelevant.
If I'm doing anything then it's Britsplaining. But given that Eurovision is a European thing and you're in the US, there's no reason to think you'd know all the history of Eurovision. You said yourself it's not really a thing in the US. Would you like any more chips* with your shoulder?
*Chips are what we call "fries" #britsplaining
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You can fuck off with that shit. My gender and yours are irrelevant.
Indeed, your mansplaining has extremely little to do with your gender, and extremely much to do with your attitude.
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You can fuck off with that shit. My gender and yours are irrelevant.
Indeed, your mansplaining has extremely little to do with your gender
Then it's not mansplaining, is it?
I'm interested to know how you or rooster inferred my "attitude" from the above post.
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Then it's not mansplaining, is it?
It most certainly is. The word "mansplaining" originated as a gender-specific term more than a decade ago, but it has since evolved to represent a general attitude - that of an arrogant person confidently explaining something they have little knowledge about to someone of equal of greater level of expertise than themselves, presenting themselves as superior to the mansplainee. It's still commonly associated to men talking down to someone (n.b., not women), but it's hardly a requirement.
Now, you're gonna go on a truly heart-tugging story about your iNtEnTiOnS, I know; but you simply have to work on how you present yourself. If it talks like a duck, and walks like a duck, etc., etc.
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But given that Eurovision is a European thing and you're in the US, there's no reason to think you'd know all the history of Eurovision.
lol I literally made this topic and I've been watching Eurovision for years now, which I've already said. And I already said why Sweden won which should clue you in that I'm aware the songs are never chosen based on merit.
You said yourself it's not really a thing in the US. Would you like any more chips* with your shoulder?
It's not at all but that has nothing to do with how much I know. I only mentioned how it's not a thing here because I've tried getting my friends involved which again should clue you in that I am already a fan.
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Germany's Lord of the Lost made a cover of Finland's Cha Cha Cha song. I love this kind of support - feels like a 'fuck you' to the juries.
https://youtu.be/sviyg1iIu3o
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Boo.
https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/18/eurovision-abba-wont-perform-despite-sweden-hosting-on-50th-anniversary-18803297/
I'd probably have watched if they had. They should do one last tour, they could charge what they liked. There's the show in London with "ABBAtars", I'm sure it's good but it's stupidly expensive given that it's not actually them.
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Boo.
https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/18/eurovision-abba-wont-perform-despite-sweden-hosting-on-50th-anniversary-18803297/
I'd probably have watched if they had. They should do one last tour, they could charge what they liked. There's the show in London with "ABBAtars", I'm sure it's good but it's stupidly expensive given that it's not actually them.
Good.
‘Anybody who thinks it’s anything to do with the fact that it’s ABBA’s 50th anniversary next year – that is a conspiracy theory we mustn’t indulge,’ she fired back.
Says the winner. Ok ma'am whatever you'd like to tell yourself. ::)
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The BBC sign language interpreter understood the assignment
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBpFYQsG0Hs
Spoke to a lady at church who works with deaf children and therefore knows BSL. Apparently that dude is signing an English translation of the song. So she could understand it and told me what the song is actually about.
Apparently it’s about leaving work on Friday, feeling a bit silly at the pub and then loosening up after a few drinks. Or something
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Apparently that dude is signing an English translation of the song.
In what sense is it an English translation?
Apparently it’s about leaving work on Friday, feeling a bit silly at the pub and then loosening up after a few drinks. Or something
The Rebecca Black of Finland?
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Apparently that dude is signing an English translation of the song.
In what sense is it an English translation?
In the sense that the Finish original was translated into English and the bloke was doing BSL based on that. I suspect you knew exactly what I meant.
Do you and Pete have matching "You don't have to be a pedantic arse to be a TFES mod, but it helps" signs on your walls? ;)
Apparently it’s about leaving work on Friday, feeling a bit silly at the pub and then loosening up after a few drinks. Or something
The Rebecca Black of Finland?
Ha. You gotta get down on Friday, to be fair.
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In the sense that the Finish original was translated into English and the bloke was doing BSL based on that.
But how can you or your church buddy know that's what he's doing just from watching it?
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In the sense that the Finish original was translated into English and the bloke was doing BSL based on that.
But how can you or your church buddy know that's what he's doing just from watching it?
Because she understood what he was signing. I think it's reasonable to assume that a BBC BSL signer doesn't speak Finnish.
So he must have been signing from some translated version of the lyrics, otherwise how would he know what to sign?
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I think it's reasonable to assume that a BBC BSL signer doesn't speak Finnish.
Why is it reasonable to assume that someone whose job it is to interpret between languages doesn't speak one specific language?
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I think it's reasonable to assume that a BBC BSL signer doesn't speak Finnish.
Why is it reasonable to assume that someone whose job it is to interpret between languages doesn't speak one specific language?
Because that isn't his job. He works for the BBC whose main output is in English. So his job is to translate from English into BSL.
And given that less than 0.1% of the world's population speak Finnish, it is statistically improbable that he is one of them.
Are you just trying to annoy me?
(You are doing reasonably well if so, to be fair)
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Because that isn't his job. He works for the BBC whose main output is in English. So his job is to translate from English into BSL.
And given that less than 0.1% of the world's population speak Finnish, it is statistically improbable that he is one of them.
You aren't looking at a person randomly chosen from the world's population, or even from the world's BSL interpreters. The person in question is the BBC's interpreter who was tasked with interpreting a song in Finnish into BSL. If the BBC has even one such interpreter who understands Finnish, it is most likely they would give the job to that person.
Of course, it is also possible that he is interpreting from an English translation, but it doesn't make any difference whether he is interpreting from English or Finnish, so why make an unfounded claim either way?
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I'm pretty sure it's this dude
https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianjbailey/?originalSubdomain=uk
He neglects to mention his ability to speak Finnish in his profile.
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He neglects to mention his ability to speak Finnish in his profile.
That is fine, since I didn't claim that he was interpreting from Finnish. I only claimed that you do not know if he was interpreting from English (which is still the case, since he lists several other languages that he could have been interpreting from).
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but it doesn't make any difference whether he is interpreting from English or Finnish
Exactly. I'm glad we agree :)
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Exactly. I'm glad we agree :)
That was my point all along. I wanted to understand why you had made a claim about which you had no information that was irrelevant in the first place.
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Exactly. I'm glad we agree :)
That was my point all along. I wanted to understand why you had made a claim about which you had no information that was irrelevant in the first place.
I think a better question would be why you are obsessing over this tiny detail when you've just agreed it doesn't matter.
I simply repeated what the lady at church told me, but the main points of my OP were:
1) Isn't this BSL interpreter doing a brilliant job?
2) As he's signing in BSL, a friend of mine who understands it told me what this song is actually about.
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I think a better question would be why you are obsessing over this tiny detail when you've just agreed it doesn't matter.
Because that's how the seed of disinformation* is planted, textbook-style. Many of those of us with a sceptical eye will take an issue with you so casually planting disinformation and then insisting "it doesn't matter" when it's highlighted. It rightly arouses suspicion, for the first time ever, around your intentions.
The normal course of action, since you agree the issue is unimportant, would be to say "oh, huh, yeah, my bad, I don't actually know one way or another" and to move on. After all, the issue is unimportant, and you are not invested in it. But you can't do that. You have to fight back, you always do.
Why do you have to fight back, AATW? Where is this drive coming from? Explain your intentions, so I do not have to speculate about them.
* - Since I expect you to abuse terminology here, as you've been known to do so before, I'm providing a reference for the words "disinformation" and "misinformation" in advance - I mean them as described in this article (https://www.apa.org/topics/journalism-facts/misinformation-disinformation).
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Many of those of us with a sceptical eye will take an issue with you so casually planting disinformation and then insisting "it doesn't matter" when it's highlighted.
Your link says that disinformation is "false information which is deliberately intended to mislead".
You're suggesting I was intending to mislead? Really? What was I trying to do, trick you into thinking this bloke doesn't speak Finish when he actually does?
At worst this was misinformation and none of us actually know if it was even that.
The normal course of action, since you agree the issue is unimportant, would be to say "oh, huh, yeah, my bad, I don't actually know one way or another" and to move on.
Well. I conceded it was an assumption. I explained the reasons I'd made that assumption. I even went so far, on cross-examination, to look up the dude's LinkedIn profile. Maybe he's Finnish or knows Finnish. It appears not, so I suspect my assumption was correct. But sure, I don't know for a fact. So yeah, my bad, I don't actually know one way or another.
Why do you have to fight back, AATW? Where is this drive coming from? Explain your intentions, so I do not have to speculate about them.
It just felt like pointless pedantry. We all agree this doesn't really matter. In general I do think that truth matters, but there's no consequence here.
If the Covid vaccines are deadly poison, that matters. If the 2020 US election was rigged, that matters. The truth about these things matters, and disinformation about them matters too. There are consequences. With this...I mean, we all agree this isn't important, right? The point of my post was "didn't this BSL interpreter do a great job?" and "oh by the way, a lady at church who knows BSL told me what the song was about and it's this". Picking up on exactly how the BSL dude was BSLing - whether he was translating straight from Finnish or whether he had a translation in front of him and was using that - felt like a bizarre thing to focus on. As we all agree: it doesn't matter.
And don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of pedantry in general. But sometimes - like on this occasion - it feels a bit pointless. I'm a bit of a Grammar Nazi, and I enjoy muttering "fewer" under my breath as much as the next man, when people use "less" incorrectly. But, really, I don't care about that one. It doesn't matter. It's perfectly clear what is meant by "6 items or less". Real hard liners will say it DOES matter, but they're being prescriptive rather than descriptive about language which feels pointless. This felt pointless too. I actually thought xasop was trolling me.
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You're suggesting I was intending to mislead? Really?
Yes, and I explained to you why I think so. You're encouraged to reply.
What was I trying to do
Yes, that is the question I asked you. I'd be very keen to hear your answer.
But sure, I don't know for a fact. So yeah, my bad, I don't actually know one way or another.
Superb.
It just felt like pointless pedantry. We all agree this doesn't really matter. In general I do think that truth matters, but there's no consequence here.
It was pointless, inconsequential, and unimportant, and therefore you fought back. Even if you don't see why that would be suspicious, you must see why it would come across as strange.
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What was I trying to do
Yes, that is the question I asked you. I'd be very keen to hear your answer.
My original post was about the two things I said it was I wasn't "trying" to do anything in that post other that post a video which some people might find entertaining and relay the information the lady at church told me regarding what the song was actually about. My subsequent posts were responding to what I regarded as xasop's bizarre focus on a minutiae of fact which I think we all agree doesn't actually matter. I didn't regard it as a particularly serious exchange, I thought he was just being silly.
It was pointless, inconsequential, and unimportant, and therefore you fought back.
I thought it was strange of xasop to obsess over that point. I'm not sure I "fought back". I pretty much immediately conceded that what I said was an assumption and in subsequent posts I explained why I made that assumption. I still believe my assumption was most likely to be correct, but I think we all agree that it doesn't really matter any way and it's inconsequential either way to my OP in this exchange. Which is why your suggestion that I was intending to mislead is bizarre. To what end? It doesn't matter.
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I wish someone would mansplain Eurovision to me. What’s it like an annual song and dance show and the winner gets crowned Dancing Queen by ABBA?
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I wish someone would mansplain Eurovision to me. What’s it like an annual song and dance show and the winner gets crowned Dancing Queen by ABBA?
It's not mansplaining if you don't know what it is and are asking for an explanation.
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/4e/69/b4/4e69b4531f9c58b6b491ee1f5a2e7cb7.jpg)
I hate all of you sm
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I wish someone would mansplain Eurovision to me. What’s it like an annual song and dance show and the winner gets crowned Dancing Queen by ABBA?
It's not mansplaining if you don't know what it is and are asking for an explanation.
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/4e/69/b4/4e69b4531f9c58b6b491ee1f5a2e7cb7.jpg)
I hate all of you sm
Wow, what a condescending way to explain mansplaining to me.
Anyways. Eurovision looks neat. I hope your team wins.
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Anyways. Eurovision looks neat. I hope your team wins.
Fantastic. So glad you read the posts in here. Great mods all around, thanks for stopping by.
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Fantastic. So glad you read the posts in here. Great mods all around, thanks for stopping by.
You're welcome!
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All of the songs in Eurovision weren't good and will never be good. You can hardly blame the juries for their decisions when ultimately they're hobos picking out the best leftovers from the local McDonald's dumpster.
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All of the songs in Eurovision weren't good
You're right, all of the songs were not good. But some were.
You can hardly blame the juries for their decisions
Of course you can blame them when their votes go against the clear public favorites and have been politically motivated for a long time.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65722833
Don’t all rush at once