I'm just saying. You want us to look into things such as the true nature of gravity, the size and nature of the universe, the map of the world, and the properties of a continent thousands of miles away on a budget of $0, without resorting to "debate judo" as you call it. We will need better suggestions than that, I am afraid.
I have not asked you guys to look into anything. I have only tried to point out flaws in the claims made by flatists(not meant in the pejorative). I would bet it comes across like "you should look into" because many of the claims made by flatists are so easily shown to be fundamentally incorrect.
Some FE ideas are plausible in principle, but they fall appart once the concept is applied to any number the vast observations/experiments made in reality. This is due to the great accumulation of knowledge that humans have compiled, and how easily it can be accessed in this modern era.
The push back you get from globularists is more like "well if that thing you claim is true then why is this other thing like this?". Thus your exploration of the components of FE have to be far reaching and require a great amount of data and experiments of their own to properly back up. otherwise you will have to endlessly endure the same basic questions about the same basic assertions that flatists make.
I think you misunderstand my suggestion Tom. I'll shorten it up a bit.
IF
- you desire to have the great conspiracy unraveled
- you truly believe you are on to something that is hidden
- you are serious in any way about FE
AND
- your resources are limited
- the scientific prowess/ability of your community is limited
THEN
- you should focus on your best topic only. Flesh it out completely and put it out for the world to criticize. If there is any merit the sciences will find it and very rapidly have to revise and find the other flaws (that FE theorists have yet to flesh out) to better resolve our combined understanding of reality. If there is any merit to your assertions, the world (hungry to expand understanding of reality) will do the rest of the work for you.
No amount of forum debate judo will accomplish this on its own. Especially when there are so many vague fall back points as shown by this community. In truth, the criticisms you encounter should be the exact things you try to resolve in a concrete form. You are getting a crude, crowd sourced, peer review every time you claim something on these fora.