No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« on: October 05, 2014, 02:29:24 AM »
Or any other moment for that matter

http://www.flightradar24.com/-0.25,103.44/2

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2014, 02:45:28 AM »
that is HILARIOUS simulated apologist for the globalists.  As if ANY commercial or military plane has dropped altitude to unfreeze its fuel while cruising at 11,000m altitude.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2014, 04:15:28 PM »
Or any other moment for that matter

http://www.flightradar24.com/-0.25,103.44/2
What commercial route would you suggest go over either pole? Do remember that in RET the shortest route is a "great circle".

Also, what towers would receive the ADS-B data to report to Flightradar24.com? See: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works/

Also, would you please tell us how your FET explains why there are no aircraft shown over the North Pole at that time?
« Last Edit: October 05, 2014, 05:08:12 PM by Gulliver »
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2014, 12:49:33 PM »
Christchurch to capetown....

Melbourne to Capetown...

People would FLOCK to those flights... if only to fly over the pole

both of these flights less than 6000 Nautical miles... 12 hours flying time

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2014, 04:32:38 PM »
Christchurch to Capetown goes over part of Antarctica, but is still roughly 930 nautical miles from the pole, so a wide curve would be needed.

Melbourne to Capetown doesn't even come close to Antarctica. 

Also, there is the flight time just to get to and from the departure and arrival points.  All that just to be over the south pole for a split second?  I'd rather travel there by land.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2014, 04:35:53 PM »
It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips. Certainly a lot of preparation would be necessary, but many passengers would be willing to pay a premium for the few hours saved. I mean, people used Concorde for years and that was barely even sky-worthy.
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2014, 05:59:01 PM »
Christchurch to Capetown goes over part of Antarctica, but is still roughly 930 nautical miles from the pole, so a wide curve would be needed.

Over the pole would not be the shortest route between these two cities.  Use a piece of string and measure it on a globe.

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Melbourne to Capetown doesn't even come close to Antarctica. 

Nor should it.  Again, use a piece of string and a globe and you can see that over the pole is not the shortest route.

The most likely route for a geodesic route over the south pole would be Santiago, Chile to Perth, Australia, but I would not think the commercial value in a direct flight would be there.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2014, 05:59:58 PM »
It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips. Certainly a lot of preparation would be necessary, but many passengers would be willing to pay a premium for the few hours saved. I mean, people used Concorde for years and that was barely even sky-worthy.

I am assuming that you are not conflating suspicion with confirmation of global conspiracy.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2014, 06:02:30 PM »
Christchurch to capetown....

Melbourne to Capetown...

People would FLOCK to those flights... if only to fly over the pole

both of these flights less than 6000 Nautical miles... 12 hours flying time
What does your wish list have to do with your OP? Why don't you book a charter flight and sell the seats to these "FLOCKs"?
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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2014, 06:10:28 PM »
  Again, use a piece of string and a globe and you can see that over the pole is not the shortest route.
Google Earth and the 'distance tool' worked for me.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2014, 07:02:58 PM »
and yet... STILL no commercial flights over either pole. 

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2014, 07:09:02 PM »
Please read the rest of the thread for very good and obvious reasons why there are no commercial flights over the poles.  Basically, you have attributed more efficiency to those routes than exists.

Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2014, 08:08:20 AM »
what are you guys doing in FES?  you are gatekeepers.. controlling debate with your BS.

We all know the BS, we have it fed to us morning, noon and night.

There are many, many, many reasons why commercial planes should overfly the poles if the world was actually as claimed by the globalists.

In reality, if the world was a globe, then the flight paths would not be confined to the corridors that they are so unambiguously contained within.  People would fly directly from Melbourne to Nairobi instead of stopping in Bangkok, passing over India exactly as depicted in the UN Flag.  There is simply NO reason that modern aircraft need to make any special allowances for antarctic or arctic overflight.

You are once again, as with every thread, showing yourselves to be sims which are operated around the clock simply to throttle sensible discourse on alternative explanations.

Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2014, 08:09:29 AM »
oh... and I just checked again.. still NO flights over either the arctic or the antarctic...gee, I am surprised...

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2014, 03:51:10 PM »
We all appreciate your diligence in the matter.  Just keep checking as often as possible.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2014, 05:48:22 PM »
what are you guys doing in FES?  you are gatekeepers.. controlling debate with your BS.

We all know the BS, we have it fed to us morning, noon and night.

There are many, many, many reasons why commercial planes should overfly the poles if the world was actually as claimed by the globalists.

In reality, if the world was a globe, then the flight paths would not be confined to the corridors that they are so unambiguously contained within.  People would fly directly from Melbourne to Nairobi instead of stopping in Bangkok, passing over India exactly as depicted in the UN Flag.  There is simply NO reason that modern aircraft need to make any special allowances for antarctic or arctic overflight.

You are once again, as with every thread, showing yourselves to be sims which are operated around the clock simply to throttle sensible discourse on alternative explanations.

Your ability to ignore the simple information provided is astounding.  There are legitimate safety concerns associated with flying over the poles, especially the North, and it has been demonstrated not to be as efficient as you are hoping it would be.

Distance is not the only limiting factor on flight routes.  Demand is also extremely important.  How many people each day need to fly from Melbourne to Nairobi and does it justify a dedicated route?

You comment about being "gatekeepers" is pretty vapid and has no place here.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2014, 06:21:18 PM »
anounceofsaltperday, do you know who sceptimatic is? Because you sound a lot like him.

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Re: No flights over the north or south pole at the moment?
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2014, 07:11:31 PM »
Christchurch to capetown....

Melbourne to Capetown...

People would FLOCK to those flights... if only to fly over the pole

both of these flights less than 6000 Nautical miles... 12 hours flying time
How about Sydney to Johannesburg?
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