The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Community => Topic started by: anounceofsaltperday on October 05, 2014, 02:29:24 AM
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Or any other moment for that matter
http://www.flightradar24.com/-0.25,103.44/2
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route#Operational_considerations
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that is HILARIOUS simulated apologist for the globalists. As if ANY commercial or military plane has dropped altitude to unfreeze its fuel while cruising at 11,000m altitude.
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Or any other moment for that matter
http://www.flightradar24.com/-0.25,103.44/2
What commercial route would you suggest go over either pole? Do remember that in RET the shortest route is a "great circle".
Also, what towers would receive the ADS-B data to report to Flightradar24.com? See: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works/ (http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works/)
Also, would you please tell us how your FET explains why there are no aircraft shown over the North Pole at that time?
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Christchurch to capetown....
Melbourne to Capetown...
People would FLOCK to those flights... if only to fly over the pole
both of these flights less than 6000 Nautical miles... 12 hours flying time
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Christchurch to Capetown goes over part of Antarctica, but is still roughly 930 nautical miles from the pole, so a wide curve would be needed.
Melbourne to Capetown doesn't even come close to Antarctica.
Also, there is the flight time just to get to and from the departure and arrival points. All that just to be over the south pole for a split second? I'd rather travel there by land.
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It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips. Certainly a lot of preparation would be necessary, but many passengers would be willing to pay a premium for the few hours saved. I mean, people used Concorde for years and that was barely even sky-worthy.
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Christchurch to Capetown goes over part of Antarctica, but is still roughly 930 nautical miles from the pole, so a wide curve would be needed.
Over the pole would not be the shortest route between these two cities. Use a piece of string and measure it on a globe.
Melbourne to Capetown doesn't even come close to Antarctica.
Nor should it. Again, use a piece of string and a globe and you can see that over the pole is not the shortest route.
The most likely route for a geodesic route over the south pole would be Santiago, Chile to Perth, Australia, but I would not think the commercial value in a direct flight would be there.
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It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips. Certainly a lot of preparation would be necessary, but many passengers would be willing to pay a premium for the few hours saved. I mean, people used Concorde for years and that was barely even sky-worthy.
I am assuming that you are not conflating suspicion with confirmation of global conspiracy.
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Christchurch to capetown....
Melbourne to Capetown...
People would FLOCK to those flights... if only to fly over the pole
both of these flights less than 6000 Nautical miles... 12 hours flying time
What does your wish list have to do with your OP? Why don't you book a charter flight and sell the seats to these "FLOCKs"?
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Again, use a piece of string and a globe and you can see that over the pole is not the shortest route.
Google Earth and the 'distance tool' worked for me.
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It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips.
*sigh* Do you even slightest bit of research before you make any of your outlandish claims? Both poles seem to sport a fairly robust tourist industry.
http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Pole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica
http://www.polarflug.de/index.php?p=2
http://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/arctic/expeditions/north-pole?gclid=CMyy68jRmMECFeJF7AodzHEAlQ
http://www.arcticodysseys.com/l_north_pole.html
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights
http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/
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and yet... STILL no commercial flights over either pole.
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Please read the rest of the thread for very good and obvious reasons why there are no commercial flights over the poles. Basically, you have attributed more efficiency to those routes than exists.
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what are you guys doing in FES? you are gatekeepers.. controlling debate with your BS.
We all know the BS, we have it fed to us morning, noon and night.
There are many, many, many reasons why commercial planes should overfly the poles if the world was actually as claimed by the globalists.
In reality, if the world was a globe, then the flight paths would not be confined to the corridors that they are so unambiguously contained within. People would fly directly from Melbourne to Nairobi instead of stopping in Bangkok, passing over India exactly as depicted in the UN Flag. There is simply NO reason that modern aircraft need to make any special allowances for antarctic or arctic overflight.
You are once again, as with every thread, showing yourselves to be sims which are operated around the clock simply to throttle sensible discourse on alternative explanations.
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oh... and I just checked again.. still NO flights over either the arctic or the antarctic...gee, I am surprised...
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We all appreciate your diligence in the matter. Just keep checking as often as possible.
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what are you guys doing in FES? you are gatekeepers.. controlling debate with your BS.
We all know the BS, we have it fed to us morning, noon and night.
There are many, many, many reasons why commercial planes should overfly the poles if the world was actually as claimed by the globalists.
In reality, if the world was a globe, then the flight paths would not be confined to the corridors that they are so unambiguously contained within. People would fly directly from Melbourne to Nairobi instead of stopping in Bangkok, passing over India exactly as depicted in the UN Flag. There is simply NO reason that modern aircraft need to make any special allowances for antarctic or arctic overflight.
You are once again, as with every thread, showing yourselves to be sims which are operated around the clock simply to throttle sensible discourse on alternative explanations.
Your ability to ignore the simple information provided is astounding. There are legitimate safety concerns associated with flying over the poles, especially the North, and it has been demonstrated not to be as efficient as you are hoping it would be.
Distance is not the only limiting factor on flight routes. Demand is also extremely important. How many people each day need to fly from Melbourne to Nairobi and does it justify a dedicated route?
You comment about being "gatekeepers" is pretty vapid and has no place here.
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anounceofsaltperday, do you know who sceptimatic is? Because you sound a lot like him.
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Christchurch to capetown....
Melbourne to Capetown...
People would FLOCK to those flights... if only to fly over the pole
both of these flights less than 6000 Nautical miles... 12 hours flying time
How about Sydney to Johannesburg?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wIs-MQayDcI/Ti1XsJqCuqI/AAAAAAAAAdo/rV5y-0Iflzo/s1600/Qantas%20routes%20map.jpg)
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They do seem like bots. Would be interested to know what they do for a living...when they find the time for it.
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Most planes that do attempt to cross the poles usually mysteriously vanish. There are several accounts of them being shot down by black helicopters as well.
Why would anyone resort to such extreme measures just to stop someone from seeing the poles?
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Hey Markjo, the Christchurch - Santiago flight is the perfect example of the BS.
Standard flight time is over 14 hours. The great circle distance is 5,823 miles, while the 747 has a typical cruise speed of 567mph... so the flight time should be less than 11 hours. Also, the winds should favour a faster flight, as the do from Perth to Melbourne, which I have had the pleasure of doing in 2 hrs 35 mins, total dist 1690 miles. So it is quite possible that the Ch-Sant flight could be over in 9 hours.
Mind you, the flight time of over 14 hours is consistent with the UN Map.
Sydney to J'burg is 6870 miles and should take around 12 hours by GCN. And guess what the standard flight time is.... 14 hours 25 mins... once again consistent with the UN Map...
oh.... still no flights over the arctic or antarctic today...
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Hey Markjo, the Christchurch - Santiago flight is the perfect example of the BS.
Who flies from Christchurch to Santiago? Would you care to take a south polar projection map and show the route, please?
Mind you, the flight time of over 14 hours is consistent with the UN Map.
Would you care to show me a UN map with a scale?
Sydney to J'burg is 6870 miles and should take around 12 hours by GCN. And guess what the standard flight time is.... 14 hours 25 mins... once again consistent with the UN Map...
Again, would you care to show me that route on a south polar projection map?
oh.... still no flights over the arctic or antarctic today...
Would care to us show any flight routes that would make sense to fly over the Arctic or Antarctica, because I don't really know of any off the top of my head. Don't tell us, show on a map.
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Hey Markjo.. you are the one that put the route map up. Air NZ flies Christchurch to Santiago as per your pic. Why do you need me to use Google Earth for you to mark out the Sydney to J'burg flight? You do have a pewter... or you wouldn't be here... what gives with you? You are a sim.
You are on the FES site and you say BS things like "show me the UN Map"... you are a sim.... you HAUNT this site... if you were real and not the latest sim occupying the chair you could draw the UN Map on a napkin blindfolded. Sim. Sim. Sim.
And ... I just checked again... still no polar flights...
You need to get your boss to sim some data for polar flights..
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I can say with some certainty that markjo is real. No sim could make the number of terrible jokes he does.
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i am not buying it Sadman... so far he has CLEARLY demonstrated nothing but contempt for FES thinking. Why would a professed globalist spend the huge amount of time on this site that Markjo does when he simply gainsays everything that is put to him. No explanations, just a brick wall bully... "show me a map...or I will ... bla bla..."
Why are you disrupting this site Markjo? What are you gaining from this?
Why are you always misleading people in every single topic? I have called you out time and time again... and you provide not one single explanation.
I have plenty more to come Markjo... and you will be outed .. : )
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Hey Markjo.. you are the one that put the route map up. Air NZ flies Christchurch to Santiago as per your pic. Why do you need me to use Google Earth for you to mark out the Sydney to J'burg flight?
Because I did use Google Earth and saw very few flight paths that would benefit from flying over Antarctica like you're claiming. Is it really asking too much for you to support your claim with evidence?
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Hey Markjo.. you are the one that put the route map up. Air NZ flies Christchurch to Santiago as per your pic. Why do you need me to use Google Earth for you to mark out the Sydney to J'burg flight?
Because I did use Google Earth and saw very few flight paths that would benefit from flying over Antarctica like you're claiming. Is it really asking too much for you to support your claim with evidence?
Like I said, the only flight I could see that would benefit from a polar route route was Santiago to Perth. I could not really see any in the Northern Hemisphere, whose danger factor is increased by the lack of solid ground at the North Pole.
Markjo, you are a Sim. In my current game I have you going on a date with Saddam tonight. I hope you have eaten.
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Why are you disrupting this site Markjo? What are you gaining from this?
My purpose is to weed out the lesser FE wannabes.
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Why are you disrupting this site Markjo? What are you gaining from this?
My purpose is to weed out the lesser FE wannabes.
You need a girlfriend.
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Well there are two obvious flights that just don't happen... Oslo to Vancouver, Stockholm to Vancouver.
Oslo to Vancouver is 4,500 miles and should take less than 8 hours. Actual flying time is over 12 hours PLUS one stop! The Stockholm flight is 12hrs 30mins PLUS one stop.
Helsinki to Vancouver is 4,683 miles and should be an easy 8 1/2 hours... Actual flying time 12 hours 20 mins PLUS one stop.
What about Copenhagan to Honalulu? 7,100 miles.. another easy 12 1/2 hours flying time ... ACTUAL flying time is 21 hour and 11 minutes....
Lets face it globalists Markjo and Ramaset, you have once again stood in, smelled, touched and tasted your own BS once again...
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http://www.prokerala.com/travel/flight-time/from-copenhagen/to-honolulu/
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Markjo, you are a Sim. In my current game I have you going on a date with Saddam tonight. I hope you have eaten.
Screenshots please.
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go bite yourself... i am not going to eff around doing something you can do on google earth
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Lets face it globalists Markjo and Ramaset, you have once again stood in, smelled, touched and tasted your own BS once again...
*sigh*
The main obstacle to flights across Russia was the inadequate Russian air traffic control system and a lack of English communication. To solve these issues RACGAT (Russian-American Coordinating Group for Air Traffic) was formed in 1993. By summer 1998 the Russian government gave permission to open four cross-polar routes, named Polar 1, 2, 3 and 4.[4] Cathay Pacific flew the first polar flight into Siberia in July 1998.
Polar routes are now common on airlines connecting Asian cities (Bangkok, Beijing, Dubai, Hong Kong, New Delhi, Seoul, Singapore, Taipei and Tokyo) to North American cities (New York, Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Toronto, Vancouver and Washington, D.C.). Emirates flies nonstop from Dubai to the US West Coast (San Francisco, Seattle and Los Angeles), coming within a few degrees of latitude of the North Pole.[5]
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perfect example Markjo... i am going to do that flight
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It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips.
*sigh* Do you even slightest bit of research before you make any of your outlandish claims? Both poles seem to sport a fairly robust tourist industry.
http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Pole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica
http://www.polarflug.de/index.php?p=2
http://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/arctic/expeditions/north-pole?gclid=CMyy68jRmMECFeJF7AodzHEAlQ
http://www.arcticodysseys.com/l_north_pole.html
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights
http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/
Nobody mentioned Antarctic tourism. I think this would be a good time to reference rif.org. We're discussing commercial trans-polar air travel, which the RE'ers in the thread are greatly underestimating the market potential of.
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It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips.
*sigh* Do you even slightest bit of research before you make any of your outlandish claims? Both poles seem to sport a fairly robust tourist industry.
http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Pole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica
http://www.polarflug.de/index.php?p=2
http://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/arctic/expeditions/north-pole?gclid=CMyy68jRmMECFeJF7AodzHEAlQ
http://www.arcticodysseys.com/l_north_pole.html
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights
http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/
Nobody mentioned Antarctic tourism. I think this would be a good time to reference rif.org. We're discussing commercial trans-polar air travel, which the RE'ers in the thread are greatly underestimating the market potential of.
Oh really. What do you project the revenue of it to be?
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so here is a humble pie apology to Markjo. GREAT pickup on the the Dubai to Seattle flight.
Does anyone know if there are any pics of the North pole area taken from that flight? I would relish seeing them.
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It does seem rather suspicious that no airliner specializes in over-the-pole trips.
*sigh* Do you even slightest bit of research before you make any of your outlandish claims? Both poles seem to sport a fairly robust tourist industry.
http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Pole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica
http://www.polarflug.de/index.php?p=2
http://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/arctic/expeditions/north-pole?gclid=CMyy68jRmMECFeJF7AodzHEAlQ
http://www.arcticodysseys.com/l_north_pole.html
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights
http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/
Nobody mentioned Antarctic tourism. I think this would be a good time to reference rif.org. We're discussing commercial trans-polar air travel, which the RE'ers in the thread are greatly underestimating the market potential of.
Oh really. What do you project the revenue of it to be?
I obviously can't provide a number, but probably fairly similar to the revenue produced by Concorde. It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight. The additional safety precautions would pale in comparison to the usage costs of Concorde, not to mention the development costs. Honestly, Concorde would be the more extravagant of the two by quite a bit.
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It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?
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It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?
I think he is referring to sight seeing, unless I am mistaken.
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It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?
I think he is referring to sight seeing, unless I am mistaken.
I don't think so. Rich people generally don't care about saving a few hours while sightseeing. Then again, sometimes it's hard to tell what the Th*rk some of theses FE'ers are babbling about.
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Not saving time. The South Pole would be the goal of the sightseeing.
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I suppose some people would consider that as 'sightseeing'. Just doesn't have the same weight to it though in my opinion when compared to being on the ground and actually spending some time there.
Did I really visit the great pyramids in Egypt when I flew over and saw them out the window?
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I totally agree. I think seeing a large patch of ice at altitude is not very exciting.
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It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?
Jakarta to Cape Town. According to some quick research they stop in Dubai for some reason. They could go directly over the pole and save a ridiculous amount of time and gas.
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It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?
Jakarta to Cape Town. According to some quick research they stop in Dubai for some reason. They could go directly over the pole and save a ridiculous amount of time and gas.
You may want to do just a little more research.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Jakarta,+Indonesia/Cape+Town,+South+Africa/@-15.2618668,21.3483997,3z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x2e69f3e945e34b9d:0x5371bf0fdad786a2!2m2!1d106.845599!2d-6.2087634!1m5!1m1!1s0x1dcc500f8826eed7:0x687fe1fc2828aa87!2m2!1d18.4240553!2d-33.9248685
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It's a highly expensive route which would presumably be used by rich people to save a few hours on a long flight.
Which regularly scheduled flights do you suppose would benefit by flying a polar route that don't already use one?
Jakarta to Cape Town. According to some quick research they stop in Dubai for some reason. They could go directly over the pole and save a ridiculous amount of time and gas.
You may want to do just a little more research.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Jakarta,+Indonesia/Cape+Town,+South+Africa/@-15.2618668,21.3483997,3z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x2e69f3e945e34b9d:0x5371bf0fdad786a2!2m2!1d106.845599!2d-6.2087634!1m5!1m1!1s0x1dcc500f8826eed7:0x687fe1fc2828aa87!2m2!1d18.4240553!2d-33.9248685
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that link, but I suspect you're misunderstanding something. There are no flights following that path. It's the shortest theoretical flight path (on a round earth).
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If that's tge shortest path, why would you want it to cross the pole? The scenic route?
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Conculsion please.
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Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
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Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
Proof please, with measurements.
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Hello guys! I´m a newbie at this forum. I´m from Austria/Europe, so my English isn`t perfect at times. Hope you don´t mind.
I´d like to contribute to the pole flight topic here but before I do so there is a question to which I couldn´t find an answer in the FAQ/Wiki (maybe my search was too lazy?):
What diameter is the FE disc supposed to have? I mean the FE model where antarctica is building a rim.
Is it 40,000 km, corresponing to the circumference of the globe?
Do distances on this FE map match "real world" distances? Is it true to scale, or are there any distortions applied?
Thanks for your reply in advance!
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Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
Proof please, with measurements.
Proof: look at the earth with your eyes.
Measurements: See Euclid's Elements.
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Hello guys! I´m a newbie at this forum. I´m from Austria/Europe, so my English isn`t perfect at times. Hope you don´t mind.
I´d like to contribute to the pole flight topic here but before I do so there is a question to which I couldn´t find an answer in the FAQ/Wiki (maybe my search was too lazy?):
What diameter is the FE disc supposed to have? I mean the FE model where antarctica is building a rim.
Is it 40,000 km, corresponing to the circumference of the globe?
Do distances on this FE map match "real world" distances? Is it true to scale, or are there any distortions applied?
Thanks for your reply in advance!
I'm not sure why no one has answered this for you. It may be because there are differing theories. Voliva for example worked from the premise that the earth had a diameter of 24,000 miles across, Erathostenes calculated 25,000 miles.
http://wiki.tfes.org/Erathostenes_on_Diameter
Your guess of 40,000km is correct. It is assumed the distance from the north to south pole is the exact same, earth round or flat both theories agree on the point to point travelling distance across the surface of earth.
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Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
Proof please, with measurements.
Proof: look at the earth with your eyes.
Measurements: See Euclid's Elements.
I see the sun move across the sky from different locations at different times, that's proof.
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Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
Proof please, with measurements.
Proof: look at the earth with your eyes.
Measurements: See Euclid's Elements.
I see the sun move across the sky from different locations at different times, that's proof.
That is the second time you've brought up time zones. Once again, none of us claim that time zones don't exist.
Or perhaps you're talking about the change of the sun's path as the seasons change? Yes, that is addressed in FET as well. No one denies that happens, and I'm not sure why you continue to insist that it's proof the earth is a sphere.
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Conculsion please.
The earth is flat.
Proof please, with measurements.
Proof: look at the earth with your eyes.
Measurements: See Euclid's Elements.
This has been done and very recently on the other site and the conclusion was that observation did not match the trigonometric predictions for a FE, specifically relating to the sun's position on solar noon at the winter solstice.
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The rim model is (obviously, but maybe preliminary?) a 2D projection of a 3D globe. But there is no projection of a 3D to 2D object without drawbacks. Either areas are represented correctly, or distances, or angles. Assuming earth IS a 3D globe, this limitations are well understood, so there are different kinds of projections according to specific needs. None of them represent all facts undistorted. Only a 3D model globe would do that (assuming of course that earth IS a globe).
Now you claim the earth to be flat. So there is no projection needed to "map" a 3D surface to a 2D piece of paper since it is already 2D.
What I find here is that it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to construct an alleged real 2D surface that does not contradict to common 3D observations or measurements.
So all these findings must be conspiracy driven fake , you say. Let`s see!
For a start I´d like to focus on distances. On the "rim-model" "projection" (I put this in hyphenation since there is no need for a projection from flat to flat) for example South America is decently larger than NA, which contradicts RE and necessarily translates to larger distances, also contradicting RE.
I read (from several posts) and understood that these discrepancies are supposed to be real facts but suppressed by conspiracy.
I also read that a NON STOP everyday common airline flight from Santiago de Chile to, say, Perth, Australia (about 25.000 km in FE) is only possible because ASA fuel is much more powerful than expected (my first good laugh today!)
Not my point to come, but, by the way: according to the rim-map you´d have to go thru all South America, North America, the north pole, Japan, to get to Perth! If you want to go straight (=>25.000 km) , of course! If your conspiracy-pilot needs to travel solely over water - to fake the logical route of an RE flight, which officially takes place mainly across the pacific and takes say 12000 km) he might well need to go 30.000 km - taking the fuel capacity to the limit! Fuel Rambo he is!
Of course, I hear you say, this is all done by conspiracy. But: A common business airplane is capable of travelling at 900 km/h (I never heard anybody deny that here). So it might reach 12000 km in 13 hours. Which is (so what?) exactly the official RE airline schedule from Santiago to Perth (or be it Sydney, who cares).
You will find thousands of testimonial passengers to assure you that a flight from Sydney to Santiago will take about 13 hours. All participants of conspiracy?
How, in FE , can a 13 hours non stop flight reach about 30,000 km? You would need to travel at 2307 km/h - in "words": 1357 mph
Now let me come to my main argument:
Cars have built in devices to count mileage. On Google maps and similar you get a relatively precise estimation of distances between A and B. I never heard anybody complain that the mileage counter of his car severely differed from what Google (representing RE) predicted! ( I used to earn money as a truck driver, and I DO know, what I´m talking about!)
If FET were true, there would be numerous complaints of drivers, that the record of their mileage counters would not correspond to Google estimations and COMMON SIGNS right on the road telling the distance from A to B!
Here we have an example of MILLIONS of untouched-by-conspiracy testimonials who are quite satisfied with the accuracy of their mileage counters - be them in Scotland or in Tasmania! How come?
Are you going to make my second good laugh today by telling me that mileage counters of every car manufacturers are trimmed according to the latitude they are supposed to be driven at??
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Are you going to make my second good laugh today by telling me that mileage counters of every car manufacturers are trimmed according to the latitude they are supposed to be driven at??
That was a huge post and I don't have time to address all of it. I have debated maps at length before. But as you are looking for a laugh, I will pick out your final point.
How accurate do you think a car milometer is? The mileage you get given is dependant on the pressure of your tyres, which can also vary depending on the temperature of the day, altitude, and then there are the roads themselves, you think when it says "7 miles" to the next town it is exactly 7 miles to the nearest foot? Then there are instrument calibration errors, road surface conditions, weather conditions /wet/slippery/dusty - then you have to drive the direct route ... no wandering in your lane or changing lanes on the motorway, traffic and over taking ...
You can take your car's milometer with a pinch of salt. Its a ballpark, not a scientific instrument.
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Are you going to make my second good laugh today by telling me that mileage counters of every car manufacturers are trimmed according to the latitude they are supposed to be driven at??
That was a huge post and I don't have time to address all of it. I have debated maps at length before. But as you are looking for a laugh, I will pick out your final point.
How accurate do you think a car milometer is? The mileage you get given is dependant on the pressure of your tyres, which can also vary depending on the temperature of the day, altitude, and then there are the roads themselves, you think when it says "7 miles" to the next town it is exactly 7 miles to the nearest foot? Then there are instrument calibration errors, road surface conditions, weather conditions /wet/slippery/dusty - then you have to drive the direct route ... no wandering in your lane or changing lanes on the motorway, traffic and over taking ...
You can take your car's milometer with a pinch of salt. Its a ballpark, not a scientific instrument.
Any examples of measured distances not being consistent with a round earth?
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Are you going to make my second good laugh today by telling me that mileage counters of every car manufacturers are trimmed according to the latitude they are supposed to be driven at??
That was a huge post and I don't have time to address all of it. I have debated maps at length before. But as you are looking for a laugh, I will pick out your final point.
How accurate do you think a car milometer is? The mileage you get given is dependant on the pressure of your tyres, which can also vary depending on the temperature of the day, altitude, and then there are the roads themselves, you think when it says "7 miles" to the next town it is exactly 7 miles to the nearest foot? Then there are instrument calibration errors, road surface conditions, weather conditions /wet/slippery/dusty - then you have to drive the direct route ... no wandering in your lane or changing lanes on the motorway, traffic and over taking ...
You can take your car's milometer with a pinch of salt. Its a ballpark, not a scientific instrument.
Any examples of measured distances not being consistent with a round earth?
Thork often confuses repeatability with accuracy. The way of the troll is to impugn the accuracy and forget to measure the consistency of a theory. For example, FET fails to explain the lack of recorded flights over the NP, while RET consistently explains the lack of recorded flights over both poles. (There are not as many data towers in the tundra or over oceans.)
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That was a huge post and I don't have time to address all of it. I have debated maps at length before. But as you are looking for a laugh, I will pick out your final point.
How accurate do you think a car milometer is?
Thank you for your reply! I hope you or someone else here will respond to the rest soon! If you and others have debated maps at length before, I´d also be grateful for any links that point to the topics adressed in my post!
According to § 57 Abs. 3 StVZO in Germany a milometer is allowed to differ +/- 4 %
Ok, this is theory, and you did a great job listing all possible causes that influence accuracy even further.
But all these factors put together don´t ADD UP necessarily, they statistically might as well nullify each other.
But let´s generously assume we have a deviation of 10%.
If we look at the "classic" FE map latitudinal distances here (compared to officially claimed distances of course) within Argentina differ from latitudinal distances within Canada at an amount of at least 300% !!
Might be the reason why taxi rides in Argentina are a bargain?
For the record: (Do I need to tell that for obvious reasons) I definitely am NOT satisfied with this answer!(?)
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Not much relevant answering going on here!
I don´want my questions to vanish unheard in some side-branch of this forum.
Maybe these have been discussed at other places of this forum - so I asked to kindly provide links to it.
Since nobody has answered even that, I intend to open a new thread - if you don´t mind!
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Not much relevant answering going on here!
I don´want my questions to vanish unheard in some side-branch of this forum.
Maybe these have been discussed at other places of this forum - so I asked to kindly provide links to it.
Since nobody has answered even that, I intend to open a new thread - if you don´t mind!
Are you too tired to search for yourself?