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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: R.I.P. Ferguson
« on: November 25, 2014, 06:10:55 PM »
systematic oppression of millions of people of color.
Yeah, we're not very concerned about made-up shit that people keep claiming over and over without producing a shred of evidence. Go figure.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: November 23, 2014, 06:34:14 PM »
I'd like not to reunify.
Yes, Thork, we've heard you the last x times you've said it. Do understand that we're going with what the majority wants here. And no, we're not counting your voice multiple times just because you keep repeating it.

If you have any strong views about the logo discussion, now would be a good time to state them.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Ask a Flat Earth Theorist Anything
« on: November 23, 2014, 04:14:26 PM »
For the record, my claim is explicitly stated as not withdrawn. All the sources necessary have been provided.

Out of curiosity, who is this "we" you're referring to?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: November 23, 2014, 03:28:44 PM »
(and I've proposed an alternative to pizaa but he rejected it)
That's not strictly true. Nonetheless, Parsifal's suggestion seems appropriate.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Ask a Flat Earth Theorist Anything
« on: November 23, 2014, 10:35:55 AM »
Okay, do tell me how my formulation accuses me of making of the fallacy. Thanks.
Nah. If you want to educate yourself, you will. I gave you all the sources you need. I'm far too busy to deal with your poorly-executed trolls. You're welcome.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: November 23, 2014, 10:32:56 AM »
Okay, a much-awaited update and a request for comments!

So far, Daniel agreed to pretty much all our demands, with the notable exception of which logo to use in the post-reunification forum. Our proposal was to hold a vote after the reunification to determine which logo should be used. Their stance is that we should firmly stick to their logo, claiming that it's an integral part of the society's visual identity, and that it's easy to use in one-colour screen printing.

For the time being, I've done my best to address their concerns and made another case for the vote. That said, if the community would prefer their logo, or doesn't care about being able to choose, then perhaps this isn't something that even needs to be discussed? What do you guys think: should we have a logo vote?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Ask a Flat Earth Theorist Anything
« on: November 23, 2014, 09:42:49 AM »
Surely you're not claiming that there is no true Scotsman (no sane pilot), are you?
Please familiarise yourself with the no true Scotsman fallacy. The way you formulated your question, you're accusing yourself of having committed the fallacy. It does appear like you're trying to suggest that Vauxhall is saying that no true Scotsman (no sane pilot) would ever perform this flight.

Using words you don't understand doesn't make you look smarter, G. You should know this by now.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Zetetics Deserve Better
« on: November 17, 2014, 08:13:03 AM »
I can readily use Rowbotham's definition of "zetetic".
I suppose we'll have to wait for Rowbotham to chime in, then, since you're clearly not interested in using the word in the same sense as everyone else currently does.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Zetetics Deserve Better
« on: November 17, 2014, 07:38:07 AM »
"Zetetics deserve better".
What, exactly, puts you in the position to determine the social status of people from a group you can't even define?

I never claimed that rejecting SM makes one a "pure zeteticist". I don't even know what one is.

Furthermore, given that you don't even know what a zeteticist is, can you describe the thought process that led you to thinking that they "deserve better"? When you're done with that, please specify what you mean by them "deserving better" - ideally by specifying what it is that they deserve, and how you'd make it better.

Last, but not least, why is this in FED? It looks like a Lounge topic if I'm being generous, but depending on where you're going with all this it may well be AR/your personal blog material.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: How many people are in on the conspiracy?
« on: November 16, 2014, 09:14:25 PM »
Sorry about that. I've got a few more questions to ask. Should I start a new thread or post them on this one?
Generally, I'd recommend separate threads. As you may have already seen (courtesy of ClockTower), threads here can easily get sidetracked, and thus we may miss things if we try lumping everything in one place. It just helps the flow of conversation.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: How many people are in on the conspiracy?
« on: November 16, 2014, 09:11:17 PM »
Tom Bishop and pizzaplanet have been vocal on the issue as well.
For clarity, I was vocal only in objecting your dislike of the term "conspiracy theory", largely due to your repeated assertion that a word can only have one meaning. At no point did I mention zeteticism vs theories. We ended that thread with me requesting that you form your views coherently and you refusing to do so.

A cursory search for the term "zetetic" in my posts brings up 2 results, both of which refer to the Zetetic Council, and one only comes up because the word was used in a quote. The exact same results come up for just "zetet". If we go for "zet", the anime Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei joins the list. It is therefore safe to assume that I wasn't vocal on the issue of zeteticism (or any derived terms) at all.

Please refrain from misinforming newcomers. It's just poor taste. If your intention was not to misinform - well, you've done it anyway. Please make sure that you verify your claims before making them. Perhaps taking your own advice to [engage in] the use of the Forum's advanced search function would be a good start?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Just simple experiment
« on: November 15, 2014, 12:10:58 PM »
Spain
Rome
I take it geography is not one of your strong subjects.

Now for real. Distance from A and B (for example 400km). For car it will be... 400km. But if you believe in GPS - measure this distance in plane. It will be much longer. Why? If earth is flat then distance should be nearly equal. Why it doesn't? Because plane high - which is just radius of CIRCLE - is longer. Simple proof of curvation of earth
An interesting hypothesis. Let's put it to a simple test.

For the sake of the discussion, let's assume that the Earth is a perfect sphere with the circumference of 40%2C075km and the radius of %5Cfrac%7B40%2C075km%7D%7B2%5Cpi%7D%5Capprox6%2C378km. This should allow for a satisfactory degree of precision, but you're welcome to provide more accurate calculations if you object to this.

For simplicity, let's take a ground-level great-circle distance of 400.75km - 1% of the circumference. Since we're dealing with a perfect sphere, the angle created by point A, the centre of the sphere, and point B will thus be 0.02%5Cpi or 3.6%5C%C2%B0.

Most commercial planes cannot fly higher than 12km (See: http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/dr-marc-technology/rockets.html). So, let's try to figure out the great-circle distance between the points 12km above A and 12km above B.

Since we're now constantly 12km above the surface of the sphere, the radius of the relevant circle will be 6%2C378km%2B12km%3D6%2C390km, giving us a circumference of 6%2C390km%5Ctimes2%5Cpi%5Capprox40%2C150km. The length of an arc of this circle delimited by an angle of 0.02%5Cpi will therefore be %5Cfrac%7B0.02%5Cpi%7D%7B2%5Cpi%7D%5Ctimes40150km%3D0.01%5Ctimes40%2C150km%3D401.50km - a difference of approximately 1% from the original number.

This also means that if we were to circumnavigate the entire sphere, the difference in distance travelled on the ground and 12km up in the air would only be 75km - hardly a big deal. Now, bear in mind that we've introduced a lot of simplifications - the round Earth model does not postulate that the Earth is a perfect sphere, nor is it possible to traverse long distances on the ground along a great circle. Aeroplanes do not magically pop up 12km above the ground but rather gain their height over time, and they also do not travel in a great circle.

Overall, this is very simple geometry. The fact that you posted your assertion here without even taking the 10 minutes it takes to verify your claim is a testament to how blindly people can believe what they were indoctrinated into.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US election results
« on: November 15, 2014, 11:09:38 AM »
Yaakov, you're not supposed to just jump from one alt to another to circumvent a ban. See you in 2 weeks.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US election results
« on: November 14, 2014, 11:20:29 PM »
To be fair, this was a back-and-forth started by Thork. I don't disagree with banning Yaakov, but Thork needs at least a warning.

So, *ahem*, Thork, please don't do that again. We'll have to start banning you on further infractions.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: You can go to jail for trolling!
« on: November 14, 2014, 04:33:57 PM »
I have no interest in discussing this subject with you.
Okay, then.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: You can go to jail for trolling!
« on: November 13, 2014, 10:20:16 PM »
If you say it as a joke and don't expect it to be taken as a threat, you aren't a misunderstood troll. You're just an idiot.
So you took this as a threat, then?

Hey, guys, I'm totally gonna blow up a mosque tomorrow. Please note: the former statement is false and I have no intention of blowing up mosques.



Who said anything about actual massacres?
You:

I mean, it certainly is a rude thing to say, but I would find it incredibly odd if a person's first thoughts about a massacre is "well that was an awfully rude thing to do!"

Now, if you were honest about this, you'd say you find it odd that a person's first thoughts about such an insensitive joke about massacres is "well, that was an awfully rude thing to say!" - and if you do find this strange, then we've hit a cultural difference.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: You can go to jail for trolling!
« on: November 13, 2014, 09:33:04 PM »
I mean, it certainly is a rude thing to say, but I would find it incredibly odd if a person's first thoughts about a massacre is "well that was an awfully rude thing to do!"
>trying to equate insensitive jokes about massacres to actual massacres
>expects a response

You do realise I'm much more experienced at this whole "trolling" business than you are, right?

I think the conclusion to be drawn here is that the English don't understand freedom. This shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
It's just that we don't yet have the cahnstitutional right to go to jail for nothing. Give us time, with the Tories in power we'll get there eventually.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: You can go to jail for trolling!
« on: November 13, 2014, 10:47:38 AM »
It is serious business because it is a business hosting the chat. Business tends to be the most serious business of all.
This website is also hosted by a business. Also, given that the business was completely uninvolved in the case, I'm not quite sure why you'd even try to make this point in the first place.

In America you don't go to prison for being rude. That's completely ridiculous. If we send someone to prison for making stupid terroristic threats, that just means we have idiots in our justice system. It's not that big a deal, to be honest. But jailing someone for being rude is a bit orwellian, don't you think?
I'm still firmly convinced that the difference is entirely superficial. You can present either of these cases as "technically bad but not actually bad" - you've been focusing on portraying the Texas kid as "making stupid terroristic threats" (despite the fact that he did no such thing). Meanwhile, the British media focused on portraying the other cases as inciting racial hatred.

Both can sound serious at a glance (although I admit that the social effect of falsely calling someone a trrrrrrist is probably greater than that of falsely claiming that someone's inciting racial hatred, especially in post-Bush America), and both can be reasonably described as "being rude".

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: You can go to jail for trolling!
« on: November 13, 2014, 02:42:33 AM »
4chan (where you get banned now, anyway!)
Irrelevant - getting banned is not going to jail.

an extremely popular social website (Twitter) or an extremely popular game (LoL)
Yes, I'm sure saying something to an audience of four people (nine if it was in /all chat) is srs business.

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