Post by: Jay Seneca on February 19, 2022, 06:00:04 PM
The Sun is made up of 73% hydrogen. Which is by far the lightest element known to man. And 25% Helium.
Here's my question.
Why does the Sun have a mass 330,000 times that of the Earth?
Post by: Pete Svarrior on February 19, 2022, 07:15:55 PM
You already answered your question. You said hydrogen is "light", which is pretty close. You'd be better saying off that it's less dense than basically anything in the Earth's composition.
A lower density means that the same volume has a lower mass, or that the same mass ends up with a greater volume.
Post by: Jay Seneca on February 20, 2022, 03:29:41 PM
I'm trying to do the math but it isn't coming out right. I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing.
Liquid Hydrogen = 4 pound per square foot.
Rock = 170 pounds per square foot.
The mass doesn't add up.
Post by: Lord Dave on February 20, 2022, 04:59:34 PM
Put it in theory forum out of habit. By Fault.
I'm trying to do the math but it isn't coming out right. I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing.
Liquid Hydrogen = 4 pound per square foot.
Rock = 170 pounds per square foot.
The mass doesn't add up.
Well first off... The sun is not liquid hydrogen. Its gas hydrogen. Maybe even plasma.
"Rock" is such a useless word in regards to weight. The amount of different rocks and their densities is substantial. Plus the inner core of Earth is mostly magma with an iron/nickle core.
Also remember that all these densities are at STP. You need to account for the sun being a giant blob of imploding gas with insane internal pressure, heat, and gravity.
Post by: DuncanDoenitz on February 20, 2022, 05:02:17 PM
Post by: Pete Svarrior on February 20, 2022, 05:19:16 PM
Liquid Hydrogen = 4 pound per square foot.As DuncanDoenitz pointed out, you should start by sorting out your units. Surface area is irrelevant, you want volume. I'm not sure where you got
Rock = 170 pounds per square foot.
Secondly, the hypothetical Round Earth is not entirely composed of rock, and "rock" isn't a precise enough term to define its density in the first place.
Where on Earth did you get these numbers from?
Also remember that all these densities are at STP.I somehow doubt the density he found for liquid hydrogen was at STP.
Post by: Lord Dave on February 20, 2022, 07:46:32 PM
Meant just pressure... Like 1 atm. I apparently need to brush up on what the fuck stp stands for.
Tho reading up on it, it doesn't seem to matter what the pressure is for hydrogen. Just gotta get the temperature below 32.9 kelvin. Which the sun is not.
Post by: drand48 on March 03, 2022, 10:48:50 PM
Yeah .. yeah my folly.The pressure doesn't matter for liquid] hydrogen, which the Sun is not. It's plasma. The pressure is high. High enough to cause fusion.
Meant just pressure... Like 1 atm. I apparently need to brush up on what the fuck stp stands for.
Tho reading up on it, it doesn't seem to matter what the pressure is for hydrogen. Just gotta get the temperature below 32.9 kelvin. Which the sun is not.
Anyway, to help clear up the OP's confusion:
Sun's volume: 1.4 * 10^18 cubic kilometers
Earth's volume: 1.0 * 10^12 cubic kilometers
So, the sun is about 1,400,000 times the size of the Earth.
Sun's mass: 2 * 10^30 Kg
Earth's mass: 6 * 10^24 Kg
Sun-to-Earth mass ratio: about 333,000, so the OP's claim matches the facts according to the Gospel of Google.
So, the density of the Earth is about 4 times the density of the Earth.
Hydrogen and Helium might be light on Earth, but they're heavy in the sun. Still, only 1/4 as heavy as our rocks.
Post by: BillO on May 18, 2022, 10:10:55 PM
Hydrogen and Helium might be light on Earth, but they're heavy in the sun. Still, only 1/4 as heavy as our rocks.The reason the gases are so dense in the sun is that they are under MUCH higher pressure. 10s of billions of times higher on average and over 200 billion times higher at the core.
Post by: Tom Bishop on May 19, 2022, 01:35:58 AM
The surface of the Moon is also claimed to be made of Helium-3, possibly based on spectroscopy studies.
Post by: DuncanDoenitz on May 19, 2022, 06:23:34 AM
Post by: Iceman on May 19, 2022, 03:33:21 PM
Coincidentally, hydrogen and helium are lighter than air, and the Sun is right above the atmosphere in FE.
The surface of the Moon is also claimed to be made of Helium-3, possibly based on spectroscopy studies.
Claimed by who(m’st’ve), based on what evidence?
Post by: BillO on May 19, 2022, 06:32:02 PM
The surface of the Moon is also claimed to be made of Helium-3, possibly based on spectroscopy studies.
I don't think anyone has claimed this Tom except possibly you. There may be lot of H3 on the moon, but the source is not the moon, it's the sun. The sun emits a lot of H3 which ends up bombarding the surface of the moon where it collects. People are looking at mining it as a renewable energy source. Is this what you are talking about?
Post by: VerraNox on July 01, 2022, 03:23:59 PM
Ps. The sun mass is 333 000 earths, not 33 000 earths.
Post by: Pondering Charles on August 31, 2022, 12:51:08 AM
I'd say the sun is about 50 miles across, and maybe 100,000 feet in the air(lowest point or obviously it would engulf us). Eyeball estimate
Post by: Iceman on August 31, 2022, 01:49:46 AM
Post by: BillO on August 31, 2022, 02:11:52 AM
RE sun stats are absurd when you look at the sun. NASAs pictures show a orange ball surrounded by light 93 million miles away...and we get a large yellow ball and yellow light. ....?????Really?! Did you even think about what you just wrote?
I'd say the sun is about 50 miles across, and maybe 100,000 feet in the air(lowest point or obviously it would engulf us). Eyeball estimate
If the sun was 50 miles across and 19 miles away (as you suggest) it would subtend a visual angle of about 105 degrees. In other words it would take up more than half the sky. In reality the Sun subtends an angle of about .5 degrees.
Your eyeball is in need of some adjustment.
Post by: Pondering Charles on August 31, 2022, 01:06:44 PM
Post by: BillO on August 31, 2022, 01:31:07 PM
Refraction from the dome allows light to be sucked up and filtered out, so the sun appears how it does.Wonderful. Can you kindly give me the mathematics for this?
Post by: Pondering Charles on August 31, 2022, 01:37:25 PM
Post by: BillO on August 31, 2022, 01:54:16 PM
Post by: Pondering Charles on August 31, 2022, 02:16:35 PM
Okay, I am out of any further discussion with you going forward. Peace.
I'll take that as a win
Post by: WTF_Seriously on August 31, 2022, 02:50:23 PM
I'd say the sun is about 50 miles across, and maybe 100,000 feet in the air(lowest point or obviously it would engulf us). Eyeball estimate
Those sneaky bastards on Blue Origin. They flew twice as high as the sun and then hid all the pictures of looking down on it. Captain Kirk's an asshole.
Post by: Pondering Charles on August 31, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
I'd say the sun is about 50 miles across, and maybe 100,000 feet in the air(lowest point or obviously it would engulf us). Eyeball estimate
Those sneaky bastards on Blue Origin. They flew twice as high as the sun and then hid all the pictures of looking down on it. Captain Kirk's an asshole.
Blue Origin faked literally all of it. They know how refraction works and how to manipulate it
Post by: Rama Set on August 31, 2022, 04:31:26 PM
RE math is all invalid because it presumes the wrong shape of the earth.
Its no wonder you arrive at incorrect conclusions when you start with deeply flawed premises.
Post by: Pondering Charles on August 31, 2022, 04:39:43 PM
RE math is all invalid because it presumes the wrong shape of the earth.
Its no wonder you arrive at incorrect conclusions when you start with deeply flawed premises.
It is the other way around my friend
Post by: BillO on August 31, 2022, 04:44:03 PM
I'll take that as a winAhh, the coward's cheer!
Delude yourself as you wish and hope your dome doesn't suck the will to live out of you.
Post by: Pondering Charles on August 31, 2022, 04:46:14 PM
I'll take that as a winAhh, the coward's cheer!
Delude yourself as you wish and hope your dome doesn't suck the will to live out of you.
You sound as if Satan is within you.repent, cry out foor the blood sacrifice of JESUS CHRIST
Post by: BillO on August 31, 2022, 05:02:39 PM
You sound as if Satan is within you.repent, cry out foor the blood sacrifice of JESUS CHRISTWell according to your feeble take on religion I am a product of your God. Accordingly he made me the way I am and knew exactly how I'd turn out. So, it's all his fault and therefore up to him to correct his error.
Post by: Jonathan on February 24, 2023, 06:50:05 PM
Refraction from the dome allows light to be sucked up and filtered out, so the sun appears how it does.Wonderful. Can you kindly give me the mathematics for this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SkKg8AsL3I
Post by: BillO on February 24, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
It was precisely to patch up results like this in a desperate effort to hold onto the notion of a flat earth that the geniuses around here invented EA, AKA "Bendy Light". Did you ever read the wiki?
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on February 27, 2023, 04:54:44 PM
Okay, I am out of any further discussion with you going forward. Peace.
I'll take that as a win
Okay then, what is the distance from Perth to Brisbane?
Post by: Magicalus on March 18, 2023, 02:49:39 AM
Okay, I am out of any further discussion with you going forward. Peace.
I'll take that as a win
In no way is that a win. There's just no point in arguing with someone who will handwave away valid issues with their theories by just saying "Heaven mumble mumble will of God mumble some things just can't be explained." Given debate is about arguing facts (despite what you may see from both sides on these forums), why spend time debating someone who denies the necessity of facts? (I'm sure God is a fact in your belief system, but faith is by definition not basis for facts.)