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Space Tourists
« on: April 30, 2018, 09:34:22 AM »
Space tourism is at best in its infancy. Right now only available to the mega-rich. But a handful of people have done it.
There's a list here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism#List_of_flown_space_tourists

Here's an interview with one of them, the only women to have done it.



So...is she lying? Was she tricked somehow? Is she "in on it" too?
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2018, 11:03:37 AM »
It is generally accepted that everyone that "has been to space" has been faking. This may be for own benefit mostly. She might not be covering up flat earth, but just following what everybody else said. Do you have evidence where she says earth is round?

I'm creating list of those publicly involved in space travel faking. Quite something.

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2018, 11:16:58 AM »
Do you have evidence where she says earth is round?

She doesn't explicitly say it in that video, but you would think that had she been to space and found that she was looking down at a flat-earth she would have thought that worthy of comment.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2018, 03:55:12 PM »
Space tourism is at best in its infancy. Right now only available to the mega-rich. But a handful of people have done it.
There's a list here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism#List_of_flown_space_tourists

Here's an interview with one of them, the only women to have done it.



So...is she lying? Was she tricked somehow? Is she "in on it" too?

It will only be a few more years before the rich will be going to space on a more regular basis.   It will be harder and harder to deny reality when tens if not hundreds of people have been.  Every one of them will have videos and pictures on social media.     
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2018, 06:05:27 PM »
It will only be a few more years before the rich will be going to space on a more regular basis.   It will be harder and harder to deny reality when tens if not hundreds of people have been.  Every one of them will have videos and pictures on social media.   

The globe is already an everyday reality for most people, as is space travel. There could be people going back and forth to a Mars colony and there will still be flat Earthers. It's not going away because of proof, because we already have proof.

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2018, 06:46:41 PM »
It will only be a few more years before the rich will be going to space on a more regular basis.   It will be harder and harder to deny reality when tens if not hundreds of people have been.  Every one of them will have videos and pictures on social media.   

The globe is already an everyday reality for most people, as is space travel. There could be people going back and forth to a Mars colony and there will still be flat Earthers. It's not going away because of proof, because we already have proof.

This brings up a good point.

It was stated elsewhere that there is no NASA conspiracy just a space travel one where they are perpetuating the idea of space travel. It was also stated that employees are not aware that their jobs are meaningless, even though they believe they are doing what they say they are.

If that's the case then where do astronauts ACTUALLY go when rockets are launched? Surely they would know if they were in space or not. If they did know they weren't going to space then what about their families? To my knowledge some of them are "gone" for quite a while. Are they in on it as well?

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2018, 08:04:51 PM »
It will only be a few more years before the rich will be going to space on a more regular basis.   It will be harder and harder to deny reality when tens if not hundreds of people have been.  Every one of them will have videos and pictures on social media.   

The globe is already an everyday reality for most people, as is space travel. There could be people going back and forth to a Mars colony and there will still be flat Earthers. It's not going away because of proof, because we already have proof.

Very true, it will all be fake!   For a good time. look up some 10+ year old threads and compare the arguments.  same same
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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2018, 05:55:36 AM »
And how does it explain the Columbia shuttle disaster with bits of the shuttle being spread across the states, as well as rather unique debris?
Was Nasa responsible for killing the astronauts?
And the Challenger explosion? They were seen in the launch pad a few minutes earlier, and then the rather public failure of the launch. Was Nasa involved in the murder in order to keep the myth going?

All rather far fetched if i might say so.

If nothing else Occams Razor coming into effect here should well and truly ensure the conspiracy theory is cut. Far too many assumptions with NO FACTS to a conspiracy, other than even more tenuous and completely irrational assumption that the world is flat to then make a whole bunch of other assumptions about a fake space programme.

Really?


Also, if you haven't heard of bronies before, that reflects poorly on your understanding of the world that surrounds you. It's practically impossible not to know about them.

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2018, 07:09:37 AM »
And how does it explain the Columbia shuttle disaster with bits of the shuttle being spread across the states, as well as rather unique debris?
Was Nasa responsible for killing the astronauts?
And the Challenger explosion? They were seen in the launch pad a few minutes earlier, and then the rather public failure of the launch. Was Nasa involved in the murder in order to keep the myth going?

All rather far fetched if i might say so.

If nothing else Occams Razor coming into effect here should well and truly ensure the conspiracy theory is cut. Far too many assumptions with NO FACTS to a conspiracy, other than even more tenuous and completely irrational assumption that the world is flat to then make a whole bunch of other assumptions about a fake space programme.

Really?

I wonder how it works, in practice. Do the space travel sceptics have a dual view of the world, where satellite phones and satellite tv continue to be a part of everyday life, but then switch into another mode when they decide that such things don't exist? Or is there some vast complex edifice of confusion where it all seems to make sense in some absurd way.

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2018, 07:43:48 AM »
And how does it explain the Columbia shuttle disaster with bits of the shuttle being spread across the states, as well as rather unique debris?
Was Nasa responsible for killing the astronauts?
And the Challenger explosion? They were seen in the launch pad a few minutes earlier, and then the rather public failure of the launch. Was Nasa involved in the murder in order to keep the myth going?

All rather far fetched if i might say so.

If nothing else Occams Razor coming into effect here should well and truly ensure the conspiracy theory is cut. Far too many assumptions with NO FACTS to a conspiracy, other than even more tenuous and completely irrational assumption that the world is flat to then make a whole bunch of other assumptions about a fake space programme.

Really?
There was a thread on here about this and Tom was arguing that the astronauts from the Challenger "disaster" are alive and well and were given new identities...
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2018, 07:55:37 AM »
For which he can no doubt provide irrefutable proof? Other than EnaG says so?

I am sure the families of those killed would be interested in seeing them rather than thinking they were dead. Or are the families in inn the “conspiracy”

There are far far too many people involved in the conspiracy for the last 60 years for this not to have leaked with irrefutable evidence.

Also, if you haven't heard of bronies before, that reflects poorly on your understanding of the world that surrounds you. It's practically impossible not to know about them.

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2018, 08:18:28 AM »
Sadly ENaG was written some time before the Challenger disaster and Rowbotham was sadly not prescient enough to predict either it or the subsequent cover up.  :D
No, he was just invoking some conspiracy shit. Snopes deals with some of this stuff here

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false-crew-members-of-1986-space-shuttle-challenger-are-still-alive/
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2018, 08:33:13 AM »
It is generally accepted that everyone that "has been to space" has been faking. This may be for own benefit mostly. She might not be covering up flat earth, but just following what everybody else said. Do you have evidence where she says earth is round?

I'm creating list of those publicly involved in space travel faking. Quite something.
Wouldnt that require an extreme level of cooperation between the Americans, Russians and Chinese. Are these, all secretly best buddies even though they appear to be enemies on the world stage? Do you think that Trump is best buddies with Putin. They cant even rig an election without people catching on. Even if they were all best buddies and sleeping together, non of them are competent enough to pull it off except for maybe Putin and even then, Trump would probably screw it up and let the cat out of the bag.
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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2018, 09:41:31 AM »
It is generally accepted that everyone that "has been to space" has been faking.
Not at all. As always, our flattering imitation troll has chosen to misrepresent the FE position.

It is perfectly possible that a handful of individuals made it to something remotely resembling an "orbit". While questionable, it does not inherently collide with FET.

It will only be a few more years before the rich will be going to space on a more regular basis.
We've heard this for literally decades. Aaany moment now, any second now, there will be tourists in space aplenty and that one guy will drag an asteroid into orbit and build a hotel on it. Oh yeah, and SpaceX will deliver BFR despite the fact that it's a logistical nightmare for reasons which have nothing to do with space travel. It's happening, guys, so, so soon!

Why don't we just wait until it actually starts happening, if it ever does?
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2018, 09:52:30 AM »
... our flattering imitation troll has chosen to misrepresent the FE position. It is perfectly possible that a handful of individuals made it to something remotely resembling an "orbit". While questionable ...

What is "questionable" about it?


... it does not inherently collide with FET.

What orbital path would they have followed on your FE (or anyone else's)?


... and SpaceX will deliver BFR despite the fact that it's a logistical nightmare for reasons which have nothing to do with space travel.

Well, they're doing pretty well in delivering regular, re-usable first stages, by successfully landing them, either on land or on barges. They managed to deliver a successful Falcon Heavy test flight, albeit with a hitch on the offshore landing, yielding two out of three successful first stage returns.

What are these "reasons" you mention?
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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2018, 10:13:25 AM »
What is "questionable" about it?
The space travel aspect of it. If you haven't grasped the FE position on this yet, then I won't be able to provide you with much more detail, and you're bound to disagree.

What orbital path would they have followed on your FE (or anyone else's)?
They wouldn't have.

What are these "reasons" you mention?
Here's a good starting point. Note that this has nothing to do with FE vs. RE and is a simple statement of modern logistics, and as such it doesn't belong here aside from a minor quip.

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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2018, 10:37:11 AM »
What orbital path would they have followed on your FE (or anyone else's)?
They wouldn't have.

Where do you think they went, then, such that they believe they were in orbit, but you don't?
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2018, 11:33:36 AM »
Where do you think they went, then, such that they believe they were in orbit, but you don't?
How would I know? The possibilities are endless and I'm not exactly an insider.
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Re: Space Tourists
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2018, 11:51:39 AM »
What is "questionable" about it?
The space travel aspect of it.

Why is space travel "questionable"? What do you believe makes it impossible to go to space with current technology?

And yes I've read the conspiracy page on the wiki. It does not answer this question.
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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2018, 12:04:36 PM »
We've heard this for literally decades. Aaany moment now, any second now, there will be tourists in space aplenty and that one guy will drag an asteroid into orbit and build a hotel on it. Oh yeah, and SpaceX will deliver BFR despite the fact that it's a logistical nightmare for reasons which have nothing to do with space travel. It's happening, guys, so, so soon!

Why don't we just wait until it actually starts happening, if it ever does?

I actually don't think space tourism will become within the grasp of the average person in my lifetime.
I've gone into more detail about this before but there are physical laws which make it tricky. Basically: F=ma
And we don't yet have an efficient enough away to generate enough F to make spaceflight cheap enough for your average Tom.
So yes, some of the excited talk about moon bases and hotels in space were a little optimistic, to say the least.
But the point of this thread was that space tourism is now a thing, yes it's only in the reach of the super-rich right now but it has happened.
So are all those people lying too? Are they all "in on it"?
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"