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Hello mister ignored and the others, :)
Today we'll see the stars how aren't exist and learn why.
According to religional perspective, the stars are:
1- a decoration material,
2- near to earth,
3- smaller then sun and moon.
I think it is visual illusion about religinal perspective.
According to popular science the stars are;
1- bigger stars then sun,
2- so so far to earth and sun,
3- center of some systems.
Today we see which one is true.
As you'll see that we'll do just a simple experiment and decide which one is near to be true.
for this purpose, we'll look some "nigh flights" and try to see the stars. If we see the stars as same side seem from ground level, this will be a good prove that the stars are far and big. If we don't see the stars on night flights, then we decide to stars are not so far, and not so big. This test don't proves the are the stars visual illusion or not, because there is a possibility that the stars under the plane level, altough it is a low probability.
Ok.
This is first flight we will examine; a plane going from Washington DC (IAD)-to-Paris (CDG) at night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sowmSldGio
This is an image from the sky get from the plane.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06308879fb.jpg)
It is the time sunset, and there is no stars at the sky.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/063bbe3572.jpg)
This is the night and still there is no stars. The light on the view is another plane, not a star.
First attemp we don't see any stars on the sky.
This is second test: A flight From Moscow, to London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETod0MuWmVU
Go come to 17:22. There is sky visible after sunset.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06536bf22c.jpg)
Where is stars? There is no stars!
Go come yo 26:26. It is almost full night. The outside is dark. So it should be easy to see the stars. But watch out! There is no stars!
(http://i.imgsafe.org/065d7786f6.jpg)
Hey who is hidding the stars? Nobody. There is no stars out there!
Test 3:
This is a night flight from London to Glascow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCzTP7NvLr4
It is a cloudy day so it is hard to see the sky.
But a little chance we catched a good perspective to see the sky. Come to 22:04
(http://i.imgsafe.org/066c920aef.jpg)
There is no stars.
Test 4: A plane from London to Shangai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE5NQiBa42o
Go come to 27:28
(http://i.imgsafe.org/067c9eb720.jpg)
The only light on the view is wing light. :) Do you see any stars around? I don't.
Test 5: Los Angeles to London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANzDS8dzUsM
There is no stars.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/069f28d24e.jpg)
Test 6: Vancouver (YVR) to San Francisco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLpus8Kk-po
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06b9eb9968.jpg)
There is no stars.
Test 7: High altitude balloon (for FE's) :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06d2d25aa8.jpg)
There is no any stars on the sky.
Test 8: Felix Falling. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbN-cWe0A0
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06e1223dd2.jpg)
We test 8 different flight, ballon test, jumping experiment, and no one of them we don't see any stars on the sky.
So the popular astronomy is disproven.
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Hello mister ignored and the others, :)
Today we'll see the stars how aren't exist and learn why.
According to religional perspective, the stars are:
1- a decoration material,
2- near to earth,
3- smaller then sun and moon.
I think it is visual illusion about religinal perspective.
According to popular science the stars are;
1- bigger stars then sun,
2- so so far to earth and sun,
3- center of some systems.
Today we see which one is true.
As you'll see that we'll do just a simple experiment and decide which one is near to be true.
for this purpose, we'll look some "nigh flights" and try to see the stars. If we see the stars as same side seem from ground level, this will be a good prove that the stars are far and big. If we don't see the stars on night flights, then we decide to stars are not so far, and not so big. This test don't proves the are the stars visual illusion or not, because there is a possibility that the stars under the plane level, altough it is a low probability.
Ok.
This is first flight we will examine; a plane going from Washington DC (IAD)-to-Paris (CDG) at night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sowmSldGio
This is an image from the sky get from the plane.r
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06308879fb.jpg)
It is the time sunset, and there is no stars at the sky.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/063bbe3572.jpg)
This is the night and still there is no stars. The light on the view is another plane, not a star.
First attemp we don't see any stars on the sky.
This is second test: A flight From Moscow, to London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETod0MuWmVU
Go come to 17:22. There is sky visible after sunset.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06536bf22c.jpg)
Where is stars? There is no stars!
Go come yo 26:26. It is almost full night. The outside is dark. So it should be easy to see the stars. But watch out! There is no stars!
(http://i.imgsafe.org/065d7786f6.jpg)
Hey who is hidding the stars? Nobody. There is no stars out there!
Test 3:
This is a night flight from London to Glascow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCzTP7NvLr4
It is a cloudy day so it is hard to see the sky.
But a little chance we catched a good perspective to see the sky. Come to 22:04
(http://i.imgsafe.org/066c920aef.jpg)
There is no stars.
Test 4: A plane from London to Shangai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE5NQiBa42o
Go come to 27:28
(http://i.imgsafe.org/067c9eb720.jpg)
The only light on the view is wing light. :) Do you see any stars around? I don't.
Test 5: Los Angeles to London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANzDS8dzUsM
There is no stars.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/069f28d24e.jpg)
Test 6: Vancouver (YVR) to San Francisco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLpus8Kk-po
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06b9eb9968.jpg)
There is no stars.
Test 7: High altitude balloon (for FE's) :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06d2d25aa8.jpg)
There is no any stars on the sky.
Test 8: Felix Falling. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbN-cWe0A0
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06e1223dd2.jpg)
We test 8 different flight, ballon test, jumping experiment, and no one of them we don't see any stars on the sky.
So the popular astronomy is disproven.
I'm on the ignored list, too....but this suggestion.....
Why don't you just go to an astronomical observatory.....preferably one with a night "Star Party"......you might learn something about stars ?
Sorry, I forgot that is taboo, verboten, forbidden to flat earthers. Never ! Associate with those satanic evil ones in the rest of the world ?
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Your "proof" are not reliable because:
1. It's recorded by someone else (remember you said İntikam works alone)
2. You do not bother to learn how exposure affect photogaphy, should the video/photograph show a star, other brighter things will be drowned in light.
3. You did not provide anyone's testimony of unable to see stars with their own eyes in a higher altitude
You should go into an airplane several times, check if you can see stars at higher altitude, photograph it several times and compare with your own memory, think carefully is this what you really saw? Get several people to do this too and get their testimony and photograph of different exposure.
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Hello mister ignored and the others, :)
Today we'll see the stars how aren't exist and learn why.
According to religional perspective, the stars are:
1- a decoration material,
2- near to earth,
3- smaller then sun and moon.
I think it is visual illusion about religinal perspective.
According to popular science the stars are;
1- bigger stars then sun,
2- so so far to earth and sun,
3- center of some systems.
Today we see which one is true.
As you'll see that we'll do just a simple experiment and decide which one is near to be true.
for this purpose, we'll look some "nigh flights" and try to see the stars. If we see the stars as same side seem from ground level, this will be a good prove that the stars are far and big. If we don't see the stars on night flights, then we decide to stars are not so far, and not so big. This test don't proves the are the stars visual illusion or not, because there is a possibility that the stars under the plane level, altough it is a low probability.
Ok.
This is first flight we will examine; a plane going from Washington DC (IAD)-to-Paris (CDG) at night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sowmSldGio
This is an image from the sky get from the plane.r
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06308879fb.jpg)
It is the time sunset, and there is no stars at the sky.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/063bbe3572.jpg)
This is the night and still there is no stars. The light on the view is another plane, not a star.
First attemp we don't see any stars on the sky.
This is second test: A flight From Moscow, to London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETod0MuWmVU
Go come to 17:22. There is sky visible after sunset.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06536bf22c.jpg)
Where is stars? There is no stars!
Go come yo 26:26. It is almost full night. The outside is dark. So it should be easy to see the stars. But watch out! There is no stars!
(http://i.imgsafe.org/065d7786f6.jpg)
Hey who is hidding the stars? Nobody. There is no stars out there!
Test 3:
This is a night flight from London to Glascow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCzTP7NvLr4
It is a cloudy day so it is hard to see the sky.
But a little chance we catched a good perspective to see the sky. Come to 22:04
(http://i.imgsafe.org/066c920aef.jpg)
There is no stars.
Test 4: A plane from London to Shangai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE5NQiBa42o
Go come to 27:28
(http://i.imgsafe.org/067c9eb720.jpg)
The only light on the view is wing light. :) Do you see any stars around? I don't.
Test 5: Los Angeles to London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANzDS8dzUsM
There is no stars.
(http://i.imgsafe.org/069f28d24e.jpg)
Test 6: Vancouver (YVR) to San Francisco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLpus8Kk-po
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06b9eb9968.jpg)
There is no stars.
Test 7: High altitude balloon (for FE's) :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06d2d25aa8.jpg)
There is no any stars on the sky.
Test 8: Felix Falling. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbN-cWe0A0
(http://i.imgsafe.org/06e1223dd2.jpg)
We test 8 different flight, ballon test, jumping experiment, and no one of them we don't see any stars on the sky.
So the popular astronomy is disproven.
I'm on the ignored list, too....but this suggestion.....
Why don't you just go to an astronomical observatory.....preferably one with a night "Star Party"......you might learn something about stars ?
You might go to a camera store or a camera club and learn something about cameras, films and exposures, too.
Sorry, I forgot that is taboo, verboten, forbidden to flat earthers. Never ! Associate with those satanic evil ones in the rest of the world ?
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Complete nonsense ????
"Stars are not exist" .......Are you serious.? If you can get away from away from your computer. Go outside after dark and look up in the sky....on a clear night....what are those things you see ?]
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Hello mister ignored and the others, :)
We test 8 different flight, ballon test, jumping experiment, and no one of them we don't see any stars on the sky.
So the popular astronomy is disproven.
No, in your photos you "don't see any stars on the sky".
When I look in the sky at night I see the moon, planets (at least Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn) and many many stars, including the very obvious Southern Cross!
Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.[/b]
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He must have another ignore list that his eyes are on.
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The reason it is difficult to see stars from a plane is the same reason you can't see the stars when you look out of a window of a lit room.
In order to see the stars, it must be darker at the observation point than focus point. This is why the stars become clearer the further you travel away from a bright city.
The reason they haven't been captured on video is due to the fact that even top of the range video recorders need to have their setting specifically setup to achieve the level of exposure required to see the stars.
A crappy CCD in an iPhone is never going to cut it unless it is stabilized and an image recorded with a long exposure time.
Now to discuss your ramblings:
If we don't see the stars on night flights, then we decide to stars are not so far, and not so big. This test don't proves the are the stars visual illusion or not, because there is a possibility that the stars under the plane level, altough it is a low probability.
Fail!
The absence of stars caught on camera simply proves that they were not captured on camera.
By your reasoning, every time I look at the night sky and cannot see the sun it must be decided that the sun does not exist.
We test 8 different flight, ballon test, jumping experiment, and no one of them we don't see any stars on the sky.
So the popular astronomy is disproven.
Fail!
You haven't proven anything! All you've done is continue to embarrass yourself with deluded ramblings.
Furthermore, as you've decided to ignore pretty much everyone on this debate forum, you will undoubtedly try and declare that no-one can disprove you because you will ignore every single response proving you incorrect.
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Here is one more of my "IMHO"'s. LOL.
I think it would be more honest if the flat earthers would just ask "Why can't I see the stars in these pictures ?" or "I don't understand why I can't see the stars in those pictures ? Would some one please explain ? " rather than just flat out say "The stars are not exist" they would at least give a bit more respect to the flaf earth moverment.
Not all of us are shutterbugs who understand things about photography but I have serious doubts if the flat earthers would believe the explanations since it requires a bit of science......The science of photography......And flat earthers have been known to reject any all kinds of any and all sciences.
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You might get some respect if your ramblings made any sense.
I hope you aren't an official member of the FES for obvious reasons.
Your ramblings would be an embarrassment even to them . LOL
Your eyes and cameras are somewhat alike. They both have to adjust themselves for bright or dim lights.
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As as been covered, the cameras are at fault, not the stars (ever use a camera to record an old TV? Looks funky don't it?).
Second how could closer stars be less visible when you close the distance? I think even Tom, with his odd ideas of perception and refraction, would agree that that is silly.
Third, light pollution. Take a laser pointer in a dark room. You can see it pretty well right? Turn on light. Can't see the laser light too well huh? Another experiment: take two cheap flashlights outside at night. One fairly close, one rather distant. The light of the nearer light will wash out the light of the further one.
But I'm being ignored anyway, and I really shouldn't be doing this to my poor thumb(I'm on mobile).
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As as been covered, the cameras are at fault, not the stars (ever use a camera to record an old TV? Looks funky don't it?).
Second how could closer stars be less visible when you close the distance? I think even Tom, with his odd ideas of perception and refraction, would agree that that is silly.
Third, light pollution. Take a laser pointer in a dark room. You can see it pretty well right? Turn on light. Can't see the laser light too well huh? Another experiment: take two cheap flashlights outside at night. One fairly close, one rather distant. The light of the nearer light will wash out the light of the further one.
But I'm being ignored anyway, and I really shouldn't be doing this to my poor thumb(I'm on mobile).
İntikam nust be a "True Believer" as he posts in "Flat Earth Information Repository"!
See:
Flat Earth Discussion Boards/Flat Earth Information Repository/Flat Continents/ « on: April 28, 2016, 07:43:06 AM » (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=4947.msg95511#msg95511)
and he has had 27 replies! Yes, 3 from "TotesNotReptilian", 1 from "unsure101" and the rest from . . . . . . . guess who[1]?
Not a one from a Flat Earther, not even Hoppy cheering him on! I think we should cheer him on, he is doing more to pull done TFES than we ever could!
[1] From "İntikam" of course!
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Your "proof" are not reliable because:
1. It's recorded by someone else (remember you said İntikam works alone)
2. You do not bother to learn how exposure affect photogaphy, should the video/photograph show a star, other brighter things will be drowned in light.
3. You did not provide anyone's testimony of unable to see stars with their own eyes in a higher altitude
You should go into an airplane several times, check if you can see stars at higher altitude, photograph it several times and compare with your own memory, think carefully is this what you really saw? Get several people to do this too and get their testimony and photograph of different exposure.
1. I work alone so i chose the videos myself. :)
2- This is not a photograph mistake. I never see the stars on any of my airline travels. If you see, check a video and send it to me.
3- Nobody show me a good prove about they are exist.
I'm waiting for videos as you mentioned that contain stars videos recorded on high altitude as upside from clouds like airplane flight, balloon experience, rocket launching video from a camera on the rocket, etc. I'll be waiting for it.
I want something from you to do. While you are discussing me, please don't quote from post posted by any of other writers except us. This is not a team game or it's a sign of respect for my opinion. Thanks.
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Your "proof" are not reliable because:
1. It's recorded by someone else (remember you said İntikam works alone)
2. You do not bother to learn how exposure affect photogaphy, should the video/photograph show a star, other brighter things will be drowned in light.
3. You did not provide anyone's testimony of unable to see stars with their own eyes in a higher altitude
You should go into an airplane several times, check if you can see stars at higher altitude, photograph it several times and compare with your own memory, think carefully is this what you really saw? Get several people to do this too and get their testimony and photograph of different exposure.
1. I work alone so i chose the videos myself. :)
2- This is not a photograph mistake. I never see the stars on any of my airline travels. If you see, check a video and send it to me.
3- Nobody show me a good prove about they are exist.
I'm waiting for videos as you mentioned that contain stars videos recorded on high altitude as upside from clouds like airplane flight, balloon experience, rocket launching video from a camera on the rocket, etc. I'll be waiting for it.
I want something from you to do. While you are discussing me, please don't quote from post posted by any of other writers except us. This is not a team game or it's a sign of respect for my opinion. Thanks.
I step outside and see the moon, planets and stars! If you can't see them that is your problem, because everyone else can!
You can't see my post either, so that's your problem too, not mine!
Sorry, but this IS a team game, and you do not make the rules - yet!
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Who can show me a video took from altitude upside from the clouds and shows the stars. A plane, a jet, a ballon, a rocket, or anything.
If nobody shows a good prove about the stars exist, the disprove will be complete. My work is done about here. There is no resistance depends on real evidences. There is no any resistance.
Astronomy debunked. There is no stars. Good bye fake astronomy, good by fake stars. 8)
So the all knowing İntikam is declaring millenia of astronomy by Oriental, Indian, Islamic and Western astronomers all fake.
This is a real RED LETTER DAY!
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Who can show me a video took from altitude upside from the clouds and shows the stars.
A plane, a jet, a ballon, a rocket, or anything.? I'm waiting for a popular science hero. :)
If nobody shows a good prove about the stars exist, the disprove will be complete. My work is done about here. There is no resistance depends on real evidences. There is no any resistance.
Astronomy debunked. There is no stars seems on high altitude. There are stars seems on only low altitude or visual effect. Good bye fake astronomy, good by fake stars.
Where is the video?
Where is?
Where?
Is the video?
the video?
video.?
I'm trying to different ways to explain my want because of my weak english.
Videoooooooo :D
hohoooo videooooo vid vid videooo . video. ;D
Is there anybody?
I know you are searching a video like crazy but can't find. Because there isin't. :-X
an eye for en eye, so a video for a video.
I posted some videos as a proof so you should to show me some videos for disprove it. yeah man an eye for en eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
consult to your teacher is free. ;D :D 8)
edit: 300 spartans. :)
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Who can show me a video took from altitude upside from the clouds and shows the stars.
A plane, a jet, a ballon, a rocket, or anything.? I'm waiting for a popular science hero. :)
If nobody shows a good prove about the stars exist, the disprove will be complete. My work is done about here. There is no resistance depends on real evidences. There is no any resistance.
Astronomy debunked. There is no stars seems on high altitude. There are stars seems on only low altitude or visual effect. Good bye fake astronomy, good by fake stars.
Where is the video?
Where is?
Where?
Is the video?
the video?
video.?
I'm trying to different ways to explain my want because of my weak english.
Videoooooooo :D
hohoooo videooooo vid vid videooo . video. ;D
Is there anybody?
I know you are searching a video like crazy but can't find. Because there isin't. :-X
an eye for en eye, so a video for a video.
I posted some videos as a proof so you should to show me some videos for disprove it. yeah man an eye for en eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
consult to your teacher is free. ;D :D 8)
edit: 300 spartans. :)
Please put your arrogance aside and read my post above concerning why video recorders do not capture images of the stars when filmed from high altitude.
You are not doing yourself or any other FE proponents any justice by rambling on like this. You just come across as a fool.
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Look up:
aviation celestial navigation.
Take a look at this picture and contemplate why it might be really hard to see stars or take pictures:
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*5IzbaO7xMVi7qv4sqZvZ2A.jpeg)
Then take a look at this picture where someone wanted to take pictures of stars while flying and took measures to insure the camera would capture them:
(http://i1.wp.com/astrobob.areavoices.com/files/2013/10/Hawaii-airplane-window-stars-ANNO.jpg?w=1008)
(http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2014/06/milky1-620x413.jpg)
Here is a brief explanation how the photographer was able to take the last picture:
"The only solution was to make an exposure as short as possible, but capturing enough light, so I used a Canon 28mm f/1.8 wide open, setting my Canon 450D (Rebel XSi) to 1600ISO (the max) and trusting that I could maybe push the luminosity in post. I took 93 exposures all the way up to 30 seconds, of which only one turned out well (a 10 sec exposure).
To obtain the highest possible stability I put the Gorillapod between the armrest and the fuselage, covering myself and the camera with a blanket to block all reflections coming from inside."
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If nobody shows a good prove about the stars exist, the disprove will be complete. My work is done about here. There is no resistance depends on real evidences. There is no any resistance.
Astronomy debunked. There is no stars seems on high altitude. There are stars seems on only low altitude or visual effect. Good bye fake astronomy, good by fake stars.
And you say you want respect?
You stand here and proclaim that you, and you alone, have debunked hundreds of years of astronomical study simply because you are to lazy to find the "proof" you want and you want respect based on this?
You deserve no respect and you are given none.
What you do get is a number of people who humor you in your proclamations simply because it is good entertainment for us to see what you come up with from day to day, post to post and rebuttal to rebuttal.
As I've said before, say or post something worthy of respect and you'll get the respect you desire.
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Who can show me a video took from altitude upside from the clouds and shows the stars.
A plane, a jet, a ballon, a rocket, or anything.? I'm waiting for a popular science hero. :)
If nobody shows a good prove about the stars exist, the disprove will be complete. My work is done about here. There is no resistance depends on real evidences. There is no any resistance.
Astronomy debunked. There is no stars seems on high altitude. There are stars seems on only low altitude or visual effect. Good bye fake astronomy, good by fake stars.
Where is the video?
Where is?
Where?
Is the video?
the video?
video.?
I'm trying to different ways to explain my want because of my weak english.
Videoooooooo :D
hohoooo videooooo vid vid videooo . video. ;D
Is there anybody?
I know you are searching a video like crazy but can't find. Because there isin't. :-X
an eye for en eye, so a video for a video.
I posted some videos as a proof so you should to show me some videos for disprove it. yeah man an eye for en eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
consult to your teacher is free. ;D :D 8)
edit: 300 spartans. :)
Ugh if you must:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iheoMfRxVBo
A video of a night time balloon launch supposedly to proof a flat Earth did show stars.
Noticed how the Moon is bright in white, surface feature are not shown, meanwhile any videos or photos showing the surface feature of the Moon does not show stars.
And by the way, by being arrogant you are disrespecting my opinion and several others that arrogance is a bad thing, how would you expect for others to respect your opinion if you act like this?
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Why do you guys even bother?
Inti is clearly either a troll or very dense.
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Who can show me a video took from altitude upside from the clouds and shows the stars.
A plane, a jet, a ballon, a rocket, or anything.? I'm waiting for a popular science hero. :)
If nobody shows a good prove about the stars exist, the disprove will be complete. My work is done about here. There is no resistance depends on real evidences. There is no any resistance.
Astronomy debunked. There is no stars seems on high altitude. There are stars seems on only low altitude or visual effect. Good bye fake astronomy, good by fake stars.
Where is the video?
Where is?
Where?
Is the video?
the video?
video.?
I'm trying to different ways to explain my want because of my weak english.
Videoooooooo :D
hohoooo videooooo vid vid videooo . video. ;D
Is there anybody?
I know you are searching a video like crazy but can't find. Because there isin't. :-X
an eye for en eye, so a video for a video.
I posted some videos as a proof so you should to show me some videos for disprove it. yeah man an eye for en eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
consult to your teacher is free. ;D :D 8)
edit: 300 spartans. :)
Ugh if you must:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iheoMfRxVBo
A video of a night time balloon launch supposedly to proof a flat Earth did show stars.
Noticed how the Moon is bright in white, surface feature are not shown, meanwhile any videos or photos showing the surface feature of the Moon does not show stars.
And by the way, by being arrogant you are disrespecting my opinion and several others that arrogance is a bad thing, how would you expect for others to respect your opinion if you act like this?
If you accept this video, so you accept the earth is flat because the owner of the video proves the earth is flat. In your opinion if the video is right, so the earth is flat like as described on the video. Do you accept the video is true and safe? If you accept it, you'll accept that the moon has it's own light as i argued.
I talked about respect as principles. respect someone's opinion and Respecting someone is different. The others here attacking like wilds never see human. i mean quoting instead of someone else. This is not a respect others opinion, this is respect someone. If you see me you ask a question another human and then i answer it before counterparts, you can ignore me by respect. But i'm not. Understand what i mean by using respect. I changed my signature because of misunderstand formed.
Actually in my opinion these cheap guys seems like nasa trolls and i don't want to feed them. If you prove you are troll like them too, you will see nomercy while been ignored. :)
Yet i explain why did i ignored them and if you respect my opinion, i don't want to talk about them again because in my opinion they are disgusting. Who think about same about me, it is easy to ignore. I never blocked anyone acting respectful and i don't force anybody don't ignore me or not or read me or not or reply me or not. You have a free will to choose to discussing with me or not but if you choose to continue to do that you should to respect me as i respect you.
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Really op? Just go outside at night in the country when its clear. You'll see stars by the thousands. I have. I lived in Alaska in the country and during the fall and winter (the summer was the midnight sun) you can see many stars. Where I'm at now you can still see plenty of stars at night. Just take a look.
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I for one have no connection with NASA or any other official body. I am retured, so not even dependent for a salary on some employer who might get money from NASA.
For all we know İntikam might be an Islamist extremist trying to undermine the west with subversive Flat Earth ideas.
We know for a fact there he is spreading completely false information.
It is every bit as credible!
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Why do you guys even bother?
Inti is clearly either a troll or very dense.
Maybe both of the above.
Most of his posts belong in "Complete Nonsence".
Here is a suggestion for vacationers in the USA. Spend a night at the Yavapai West Lodge at Grand Canyon. Go outside after dark and see how many stars you can see on a clear njght.
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If you accept this video, so you accept the earth is flat because the owner of the video proves the earth is flat. In your opinion if the video is right, so the earth is flat like as described on the video. Do you accept the video is true and safe? If you accept it, you'll accept that the moon has it's own light as i argued.
No, i just blindly giving this video as proof that we can see stars in high altitude while being ignorant if the video is safe or not.
I did it simply because you ask if is there any video showing stars at high altitude.
Do i really have to do the experiment myself? You didn't do yours either, you only choose someone else's video not intended for your experiment as your proof and i did the same to counter it, we're being fair.
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If you accept this video, so you accept the earth is flat because the owner of the video proves the earth is flat. In your opinion if the video is right, so the earth is flat like as described on the video. Do you accept the video is true and safe? If you accept it, you'll accept that the moon has it's own light as i argued.
No, i just blindly giving this video as proof that we can see stars in high altitude while being ignorant if the video is safe or not.
I did it simply because you ask if is there any video showing stars at high altitude.
Do i really have to do the experiment myself? You didn't do yours either, you only choose someone else's video not intended for your experiment as your proof and i did the same to counter it, we're being fair.
If you don't trust the video, i don't accept your agrument. You first should accept the video is true, then you can suggest me as it a proof. Accept the video is true, accept the horizon is flat, then i'll accept the video as a "sample". >You are thinking the "sample is wrong" but recommend it as true. Is it fair? I don't think so.
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You should make your mind up what it is you actually believe Inti'.
Here they don't exist, but not so long ago they were falling from the sky and were the Illuminati's fuel source (or something like that)
Show some consistency man.
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If you accept this video, so you accept the earth is flat because the owner of the video proves the earth is flat. In your opinion if the video is right, so the earth is flat like as described on the video. Do you accept the video is true and safe? If you accept it, you'll accept that the moon has it's own light as i argued.
No, i just blindly giving this video as proof that we can see stars in high altitude while being ignorant if the video is safe or not.
I did it simply because you ask if is there any video showing stars at high altitude.
Do i really have to do the experiment myself? You didn't do yours either, you only choose someone else's video not intended for your experiment as your proof and i did the same to counter it, we're being fair.
If you don't trust the video, i don't accept your agrument. You first should accept the video is true, then you can suggest me as it a proof. Accept the video is true, accept the horizon is flat, then i'll accept the video as a "sample". >You are thinking the "sample is wrong" but recommend it as true. Is it fair? I don't think so.
I accept that the video is genuine, but it does NOT proves that stars are not visible at a high altitude - all it proves is that the video did not have enough exposure for them to show.
I see stars at low altitude. You have given no reason why they should not be more visible at a high altitude!
We have given good reasons why they do not show in the video, but you completely ignore any explanations.
You have always completely ignored well thought out reasoned and correct explanations. Do you wonder that we have no respect for your ideas!
Why are YOU the only one to claim that the stars are not visible from a high altitude.
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You should make your mind up what it is you actually believe Inti'.
Here they don't exist, but not so long ago they were falling from the sky and were the Illuminati's fuel source (or something like that)
Show some consistency man.
I change your category temporary disignore. Actually i want to give you a second chance but i'm afraid you want to try to hurt me like the user "rounder". I temporary unignore him and then he immediately attacked me almost on the battlefield. I hope you don't. I unignored you because i think you are younger then the others and i'm afraid your morale and the motivation affected then a few problems... anyway.
I want to return the matter and don't want to talk about other isues or what the unnecessary people are thinking. You are seems like a noble woman but nobility destroying the humanity at these days.
On the way of the issue i want to tell you that why am i looks like an inconsistent man caused by are the stars exist for actually meteors or the stars are not exist.
There is a lot of theories about the earth, and we don't know which one is really true. Because nobody gone out the earth and traveled around of the world by the way out of it. So we don't know actually is the earth is spinnig or rotating or not; and we don't know is the earth a spheroid, a hemisphere, or as a flat disk. All of REB and FEB are just making predictions. Nobody can talk about the shape and movement of the earth that this is absolutely true.
I have some thoughts about the earth and movement. I'm giving a probability the all of the theories on my mind , and using every models as true sometimes. Actually sphere is one of them but i'm thinking inside of the sphere as a model. But here usually i don't defend or use it as a theory. For example in my opinion the earth is probably flat but probably a reverse sphere and probably a sphere. These odds changing day by day.
If i say there is no meteors they are actually stars, it shows i'm giving it an enough possibility. When a posibility goes under %50, then i leave to defense it.
I'm using the scales in my mind for everything and everybody. If you are %49,5 good for me, then i'm acting you are as a bad girl. For i act you as good you need to be something more then %50 good.
I want to explain how may i act. Then tell me if you think i do a mistake.
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I know it is seems like funny but i get this risk. Because i should to tell the true that you have a right to know.
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Mmm… What to do?
My Morale is fine Inti’, thank you for your concern. I would be surprised if any words could upset me, so do not worry. If what I write insults you, please feel that you can ignore me without it causing me harm.
For all my sins, I have no wish to upset you, but I do disagree with you on some fundamental points.
There are a lot of supposed theories going around (the internet) now, but they are usually problematic and contradictory. The RE model has been extensively built over the years, and in my lifetime has not once given me cause to doubt it. I am not a passive believer, I study the sky in daylight as well as night and it is a source of wonder to me.
I am some years older than you imagine, there are 6 or so meteor showers a year that if the clouds do not obscure, are worth going out to see. Believe me, if meteors were falling stars then the amount I have seen in those years would have swept the skies clear, yet the constellations I learnt as a child remain intact.
You have your “Scales” and that is good we all have a method of sorting what is good and bad in our lives.
My scales are more critical as far as proof for science is concerned, 50% would not be good enough, but in personal communication on a forum basis I would set it at about 5%, If I encounter someone who does not agree with me, that does not make them my enemy, there is too much of that in the world.
Respect is a mutual contract that must be earned and not demanded, I hope this translates as it was written.
If you do feel the need to re- ignore me, please assign me a space of my own, maybe as “virtuous Pagan” as I enjoy solitude away from the unwashed.
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Mmm… What to do?
My Morale is fine Inti’, thank you for your concern. I would be surprised if any words could upset me, so do not worry. If what I write insults you, please feel that you can ignore me without it causing me harm.
For all my sins, I have no wish to upset you, but I do disagree with you on some fundamental points.
There are a lot of supposed theories going around (the internet) now, but they are usually problematic and contradictory. The RE model has been extensively built over the years, and in my lifetime has not once given me cause to doubt it. I am not a passive believer, I study the sky in daylight as well as night and it is a source of wonder to me.
I am some years older than you imagine, there are 6 or so meteor showers a year that if the clouds do not obscure, are worth going out to see. Believe me, if meteors were falling stars then the amount I have seen in those years would have swept the skies clear, yet the constellations I learnt as a child remain intact.
You have your “Scales” and that is good we all have a method of sorting what is good and bad in our lives.
My scales are more critical as far as proof for science is concerned, 50% would not be good enough, but in personal communication on a forum basis I would set it at about 5%, If I encounter someone who does not agree with me, that does not make them my enemy, there is too much of that in the world.
Respect is a mutual contract that must be earned and not demanded, I hope this translates as it was written.
If you do feel the need to re- ignore me, please assign me a space of my own, maybe as “virtuous Pagan” as I enjoy solitude away from the unwashed.
I don't believe you about stars because i think what they are. They can falling down. Before about 20 years ago, when i was at army for mandatory military service, with a friend and i show him what is the meaning of "falling stars". It is possible they are not exist and another possibility they are some dead scholars, and other possibility they are visual effects. I don't blame anybody for don't be a believer like me because i know God don't help them to show true. This act stems from God's some reason, i know his mentality but it is complicated and difficult to explain. Basicly i show him a star exactly in the middle of a bright star and the moon. I asker him "do you see the star between the most bright star and the moon?". He asked me "yes i see". I said again "look it carefully". He said "i'm looking". I'm asked again "what you see?". He said "I see a common star there". I said "look again it". The the star started to falling down and a few seconds it has gone. Then i told him "there is nothing is certain.". Actually the test was to teach him "there is nothing certain" but we learned that the stars can fall down. Ask me how i know. I know you don't understand me because high probability as a Paganist you don't believe "real prescience". Or if you believe it you don't know the mechanism of it. Anyway. The result of this matter is your try to convince me about stars almost impossible. because i "know" a lot of something. Take care i don't use the word "believe", i'm not a real believer, i'm a "knower". This two word is different. But most of human don't understand the "knower" so i'm using the other word is "i am a believer". No i'm not a believer, i am a knower. There is another knower on the FEr's other forum. I did'n have a chance to meet him because of some reason i left there immedietly. Knowers are "real men" of the world. Knows, don't loose, don't die before they want, don't loose before don't want. This philosophical movement is as old as the history of humanity. Starts when Adam "knowing" the names of the things. Anyway. About scales; i'm giving %50 to all of the persons, things, the animate and the inanimate creatures at the start. They chose their place on the scales is good or bad. Some evidences shows me is he good, bad, or friend, or hostiles. I don't entitle anybody good or bad, friend or hostile, they are deserve it by their actions. I'm just observing and try to decide the true act. I understand what you mean. It is a word using here too, respect must be earned and not demanded. But respect to anybody other starts respect yourself. I have pre-acceptance about everybody respect them, because i respect myself. If your actions will be as a “virtuous Pagan”, you will be not ignored for your believe, but if you move to negative side of the scales, you will see nomercy when you have been ignored. 8)
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Is it just me or does anyone else think Intikam is claiming to be infallible and is only going to die unless he wants to?
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Is it just me or does anyone else think Intikam is claiming to be infallible and is only going to die unless he wants to?
No I don't think "Intikam is claiming to be infallible"!
He knows he is infallible and does not even need to go outside and look up!
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I want to explain how may i act. Then tell me if you think i do a mistake.
I don't know, telling you that we think you're making a mistake is a good way to end up on the naughty list...
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Some men are talking but nobody see. ;D
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Some men are talking but nobody see. ;D
Ignored for disrespect (Also for the greater good of the debate forum :P).
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Is it just me or does anyone else think Intikam is claiming to be infallible and is only going to die unless he wants to?
Is it just me or is anyone else is having trouble making sense of at least some of the things that Intikam is saying ?
Saying that "The stars are not exist" seems to me to be a totally unreal denial of reality and makes absolutely no sense to me ?
Or is Intikam just one more flat earth troll or is he really that dense.......or both ?
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Here is something else that may or may not has been covered.:
If you are in, or have been in, an area inside or outside on a brightly liighted ship you will have trouble seeing stars or dimly lighted objects if you should go out on deck on a clear, dark night at sea since your eyes have adjusted to the bright lights.
When a ship is having night drills , such as "General Quarters", all bright lights are turned off and only dim red lights will be turned on. Then your eyes will adjust to the darkness and you will be able to see the stars and dim objects, erc. The bridge areas on most ships are kept as dark as possible during the night watches for this reason.
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Is it just me or does anyone else think Intikam is claiming to be infallible and is only going to die unless he wants to?
No I don't think "Intikam is claiming to be infallible"!
He knows he is infallible and does not even need to go outside and look up!
Does he know that he knows every thing and everyone else knows that they know nothing ?