[Boots]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

[Rama Set]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

Its a good point. If Trump was doing this for purely just reasons, he wouldn't have sat on his hands while human abuses were continuing unabated.  Can't we all just agree that both sides are politicking in a reprehensible way and then move on to see what the best solution is?

[Tom Bishop]

Trump gave in and is signing the executive order everyone wants to keep children with their families.

Rather than giving the kids to other family members to be cared for, as is the current process, now we'll just put the kids in jail WITH their parents! How thoughtful. But hey. This is what the media wants I guess. Kids in adult jails.

[Roundy]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

I didn't say that. Common sense itself is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it was political. The first part of my response was a question directly related to your point, do you care to answer it or do you concede that it's a legitimate point? If this was merely about law and order Trump would have enacted it long ago. Yes, the fact that it was only put in place recently supports what was already obvious with a little common sense.

[Boots]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

Its a good point. If Trump was doing this for purely just reasons, he wouldn't have sat on his hands while human abuses were continuing unabated.  Can't we all just agree that both sides are politicking in a reprehensible way and then move on to see what the best solution is?

Well I have no doubt they're both politicking but the Dems are more hypocritical because they're going hysterical over concern for the children and it's all a big lie.

I also think the logical solution is to amend the law. If the executive order holds then great. But I don't think it will. Then we're back to square one and in the mean time Trump is weathering huge criticism for not doing it sooner.

[Boots]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

I didn't say that. Common sense itself is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it was political. The first part of my response was a question directly related to your point, do you care to answer it or do you concede that it's a legitimate point? If this was merely about law and order Trump would have enacted it long ago. Yes, the fact that it was only put in place recently supports what was already obvious with a little common sense.

As I conceded to Rama, I'm sure they're all politicking. However, many presidents have tried to address this issue at various points during their term. I don't see what's the problem with addressing this issue at this particular time. And an amendment to the law is the best way to deal with this issue.

Also, since I am low on common sense, explain to me exactly what Trump was trying to achieve by implementing this policy at this particular time beyond fulfilling his election promise to tighten border security.

[Roundy]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

I didn't say that. Common sense itself is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it was political. The first part of my response was a question directly related to your point, do you care to answer it or do you concede that it's a legitimate point? If this was merely about law and order Trump would have enacted it long ago. Yes, the fact that it was only put in place recently supports what was already obvious with a little common sense.

As I conceded to Rama, I'm sure they're all politicking. However, many presidents have tried to address this issue at various points during their term. I don't see what's the problem with addressing this issue at this particular time. And an amendment to the law is the best way to deal with this issue.

Also, since I am low on common sense, explain to me exactly what Trump was trying to achieve by implementing this policy at this particular time beyond fulfilling his election promise to tighten border security.

The Democrats wouldn't do what he wanted, so he hoped that doing something cartoonishly evil would mortify them into submission, since what he was already doing to DACA wasn't getting the job done. It's really not hard to put the pieces together and see what was motivating him, especially as he's been telegraphing it ever since.

[Boots]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

I didn't say that. Common sense itself is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it was political. The first part of my response was a question directly related to your point, do you care to answer it or do you concede that it's a legitimate point? If this was merely about law and order Trump would have enacted it long ago. Yes, the fact that it was only put in place recently supports what was already obvious with a little common sense.

As I conceded to Rama, I'm sure they're all politicking. However, many presidents have tried to address this issue at various points during their term. I don't see what's the problem with addressing this issue at this particular time. And an amendment to the law is the best way to deal with this issue.

Also, since I am low on common sense, explain to me exactly what Trump was trying to achieve by implementing this policy at this particular time beyond fulfilling his election promise to tighten border security.

The Democrats wouldn't do what he wanted, so he hoped that doing something cartoonishly evil would mortify them into submission, since what he was already doing to DACA wasn't getting the job done. It's really not hard to put the pieces together and see what was motivating him, especially as he's been telegraphing it ever since.

I'll look into the motivation thing and get back to you. In the meantime Illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be dealt with. Just ask these people:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1009536237881847808

I don't see how a policy to enforce the law could be considered cartoonishly evil. And if it is, then the law being enforced must also be cartoonishly evil. And  Trump was getting laid with porn stars and building fake universities when those laws got drafted.

[Roundy]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

I didn't say that. Common sense itself is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it was political. The first part of my response was a question directly related to your point, do you care to answer it or do you concede that it's a legitimate point? If this was merely about law and order Trump would have enacted it long ago. Yes, the fact that it was only put in place recently supports what was already obvious with a little common sense.

As I conceded to Rama, I'm sure they're all politicking. However, many presidents have tried to address this issue at various points during their term. I don't see what's the problem with addressing this issue at this particular time. And an amendment to the law is the best way to deal with this issue.

Also, since I am low on common sense, explain to me exactly what Trump was trying to achieve by implementing this policy at this particular time beyond fulfilling his election promise to tighten border security.

The Democrats wouldn't do what he wanted, so he hoped that doing something cartoonishly evil would mortify them into submission, since what he was already doing to DACA wasn't getting the job done. It's really not hard to put the pieces together and see what was motivating him, especially as he's been telegraphing it ever since.

I'll look into the motivation thing and get back to you. In the meantime Illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be dealt with. Just ask these people:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1009536237881847808

I don't see how a policy to enforce the law could be considered cartoonishly evil. And if it is, then the law being enforced must also be cartoonishly evil. And  Trump was getting laid with porn stars and building fake universities when those laws got drafted.

Yo Boots, I've never been an Obama apologist, so you're barking up the wrong tree when you keep going back to this. It's just plain that whatever the law's origin, there never seemed to be a crisis where thousands of families were being split up until a couple months ago, so it's really just kind of silly to blame Obama for it.

[Boots]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

I didn't say that. Common sense itself is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it was political. The first part of my response was a question directly related to your point, do you care to answer it or do you concede that it's a legitimate point? If this was merely about law and order Trump would have enacted it long ago. Yes, the fact that it was only put in place recently supports what was already obvious with a little common sense.

As I conceded to Rama, I'm sure they're all politicking. However, many presidents have tried to address this issue at various points during their term. I don't see what's the problem with addressing this issue at this particular time. And an amendment to the law is the best way to deal with this issue.

Also, since I am low on common sense, explain to me exactly what Trump was trying to achieve by implementing this policy at this particular time beyond fulfilling his election promise to tighten border security.

The Democrats wouldn't do what he wanted, so he hoped that doing something cartoonishly evil would mortify them into submission, since what he was already doing to DACA wasn't getting the job done. It's really not hard to put the pieces together and see what was motivating him, especially as he's been telegraphing it ever since.

I'll look into the motivation thing and get back to you. In the meantime Illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be dealt with. Just ask these people:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1009536237881847808

I don't see how a policy to enforce the law could be considered cartoonishly evil. And if it is, then the law being enforced must also be cartoonishly evil. And  Trump was getting laid with porn stars and building fake universities when those laws got drafted.

Yo Boots, I've never been an Obama apologist, so you're barking up the wrong tree when you keep going back to this. It's just plain that whatever the law's origin, there never seemed to be a crisis where thousands of families were being split up until a couple months ago, so it's really just kind of silly to blame Obama for it.

It was happening though, the media just never made a big deal of it. The only thing that changed is that the numbers increased due to a new policy to enforce the law. That and the Dems and the media made a huge deal of it.

[Roundy]

The policy that Trump implemented was to enforce the law. It was to stop people from illegally crossing the border with no repercussion as long as they had kids. Tell me what's the point of a law if you implement a policy to not enforce it? Does that make sense? No! What makes sense is to amend the law if necessary. That's what should have happened. It's the logical thing to do.

Then why wasn't the policy enacted sooner? Why are we only seeing children separated from their families a year and a half into his tenure? After all the talk about border security? Trump didn't get what he wanted so he put a truly evil policy in place in an attempt to bend the Democrats to his will. If you think this wasn't purely politically motivated in the first place you're delusional.

The fact that Trump didn't implement this policy immediately upon taking office makes it so obvious that this was political that anyone who doubts it is delusional? Your bar for supporting evidence is extraordinarily low.

I didn't say that. Common sense itself is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it was political. The first part of my response was a question directly related to your point, do you care to answer it or do you concede that it's a legitimate point? If this was merely about law and order Trump would have enacted it long ago. Yes, the fact that it was only put in place recently supports what was already obvious with a little common sense.

As I conceded to Rama, I'm sure they're all politicking. However, many presidents have tried to address this issue at various points during their term. I don't see what's the problem with addressing this issue at this particular time. And an amendment to the law is the best way to deal with this issue.

Also, since I am low on common sense, explain to me exactly what Trump was trying to achieve by implementing this policy at this particular time beyond fulfilling his election promise to tighten border security.

The Democrats wouldn't do what he wanted, so he hoped that doing something cartoonishly evil would mortify them into submission, since what he was already doing to DACA wasn't getting the job done. It's really not hard to put the pieces together and see what was motivating him, especially as he's been telegraphing it ever since.

I'll look into the motivation thing and get back to you. In the meantime Illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be dealt with. Just ask these people:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1009536237881847808

I don't see how a policy to enforce the law could be considered cartoonishly evil. And if it is, then the law being enforced must also be cartoonishly evil. And  Trump was getting laid with porn stars and building fake universities when those laws got drafted.

Yo Boots, I've never been an Obama apologist, so you're barking up the wrong tree when you keep going back to this. It's just plain that whatever the law's origin, there never seemed to be a crisis where thousands of families were being split up until a couple months ago, so it's really just kind of silly to blame Obama for it.

It was happening though, the media just never made a big deal of it. The only thing that changed is that the numbers increased due to a new policy to enforce the law. That and the Dems and the media made a huge deal of it.

The thing is, Obama never put policies in place designed to split families up; in fact he was actively trying to keep them together. The system he had in place wasn't perfect but still, it's a mischaracterization to say that he was splitting families up to anywhere near the degree we've seen recently. It was only when this"zero tolerance"policy was put in a couple months ago that the problem blew up. All of a sudden just trying to get into this country is a crime, meaning that every family that tries is being split up. You did not see anything like it under Obama and again he actively took steps intended to prevent it from happening.

[Rama Set]

The GOP is hypocritical to pretend that upholding the law is paramount to them, the Dems are hypocrites as mentioned before. In other news, water is wet.

[Boots]

All of a sudden just trying to get into this country is a crime, meaning that every family that tries is being split up. You did not see anything like it under Obama and again he actively took steps intended to prevent it from happening.

Crossing the border between points of entry was always against the law. All of  a sudden the law started to be enforced.

I've been told that the bill brought forward by Republicans and blocked by the Democrats did not contain anything other than allowing the children of illegal immigrants seeking asylum to stay with their parents. I don't have documentation on that but I'll get it. That kind of indicates that maybe I'm not delusional after all.

[Roundy]

All of a sudden just trying to get into this country is a crime, meaning that every family that tries is being split up. You did not see anything like it under Obama and again he actively took steps intended to prevent it from happening.

Crossing the border between points of entry was always against the law. All of  a sudden the law started to be enforced.

I'll allow that I misspoke. All of a sudden trying to cross the border became a crime severe enough to immediately throw the immigrant in jail with her children forcibly taken. It didn't happen under Obama. It didn't happen under either Bush, or Clinton, or I'm reasonably sure Reagan. Before Trump they didn't bother to keep track of the numbers of children separated from their families simply because it happened too rarely to be considered noteworthy. Until, um, like 2 months ago.

I've been told that the bill brought forward by Republicans and blocked by the Democrats did not contain anything other than allowing the children of illegal immigrants seeking asylum to stay with their parents. I don't have documentation on that but I'll get it.

And you actually believed it?? That's kinda part of what makes you delusional.

[Boots]

All of a sudden just trying to get into this country is a crime, meaning that every family that tries is being split up. You did not see anything like it under Obama and again he actively took steps intended to prevent it from happening.

Crossing the border between points of entry was always against the law. All of  a sudden the law started to be enforced.

I'll allow that I misspoke. All of a sudden trying to cross the border became a crime severe enough to immediately throw the immigrant in jail with her children forcibly taken. It didn't happen under Obama. It didn't happen under either Bush, or Clinton, or I'm reasonably sure Reagan. Before Trump they didn't bother to keep track of the numbers of children separated from their families simply because it happened too rarely to be considered noteworthy. Until, um, like 2 months ago.

I've been told that the bill brought forward by Republicans and blocked by the Democrats did not contain anything other than allowing the children of illegal immigrants seeking asylum to stay with their parents. I don't have documentation on that but I'll get it.

And you actually believed it?? That's kinda part of what makes you delusional.

I'm quite sure we will find exactly what's in the bill. We might even get a copy of it.

The treatment of people who are charged has not changed. The only thing that has changed is that all illegal immigrants who are caught are charged. There are more being charged than there used to be. That's all.

[Rama Set]

Meanwhile the media uses a photo of a crying child to illustrate the HORROR^TM of it all. A child you suffered the terrible injustice of being put down while her mother was searched.

[Tom Bishop]

I remind you again that 10,000 of the 12,000 children held by the HHS are did not even cross with their parents. They are being sent with hired human smugglers.

People are dying of heat exhaustion trying to cross that border. Children who fail to cross the river are washing up on shores. Young girls are being raped as part of the journey.

Putting a strong stance on border control is the way to go. Build the wall. Criminally prosecute anyone who crosses. They need to know that they won't be able to cross and the practice needs to stop.

Why would anyone want to allow that dangerous practice to continue?

[Rama Set]

I remind you again that 10,000 of the 12,000 children held by the HHS are did not even cross with their parents. They are being sent with hired human smugglers.

People are dying of heat exhaustion trying to cross that border. Children who fail to cross the river are washing up on shores. Young girls are being raped as part of the journey.

Putting a strong stance on border control is the way to go. Build the wall. Criminally prosecute anyone who crosses. They need to know that they won't be able to cross and the practice needs to stop.

Why would anyone want to allow that dangerous practice to continue?

I would imagine that people are taking on the risk of rape and death because its better than the alternative.  I would want people to escape that.

[Lord Dave]

I remind you again that 10,000 of the 12,000 children held by the HHS are did not even cross with their parents. They are being sent with hired human smugglers.

People are dying of heat exhaustion trying to cross that border. Children who fail to cross the river are washing up on shores. Young girls are being raped as part of the journey.

Putting a strong stance on border control is the way to go. Build the wall. Criminally prosecute anyone who crosses. They need to know that they won't be able to cross and the practice needs to stop.

Why would anyone want to allow that dangerous practice to continue?

Do you know why most people comit crimes?  Go through hardships voluntarily? Put themselves through hell and back?


Because the alternative is worse.
Few decide to make themselves suffer because they want to suffer.

[Tom Bishop]

I remind you again that 10,000 of the 12,000 children held by the HHS are did not even cross with their parents. They are being sent with hired human smugglers.

People are dying of heat exhaustion trying to cross that border. Children who fail to cross the river are washing up on shores. Young girls are being raped as part of the journey.

Putting a strong stance on border control is the way to go. Build the wall. Criminally prosecute anyone who crosses. They need to know that they won't be able to cross and the practice needs to stop.

Why would anyone want to allow that dangerous practice to continue?

I would imagine that people are taking on the risk of rape and death because its better than the alternative.  I would want people to escape that.

The border is basically a mine field. If you want to help Mexico lobby to send them foreign aid or something. It is stupid to allow such reckless activity and put children in that position.

You call us monsters for "separating families," but turning your cheek to the death and depravity of what is going on is far worse. Far worse.

Why do you want it to continue? Don't you think it's possible to help suffering people in foreign countries in another way that doesn't involve sending children across a deadly desert with strangers?

Separating kids from their parents/human smuggler to be sent to the care of relatives = Bad
Children dying in the desert = Oh well, what happens, happens.

 Liberals.

Do you know why most people comit crimes?  Go through hardships voluntarily? Put themselves through hell and back?

Because the alternative is worse.
Few decide to make themselves suffer because they want to suffer.

You are turning the cheek and giving a thumbs up for children to travel through very dangerous deserts with strangers.

Shameful, Dave. Those children don't know any better. Your position on this matter is morally wrong. If you want to help them, help them in another way, just like we help people in other countries.