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« Reply #2520 on: January 09, 2018, 09:24:27 PM »
4/5 of the commission that shot the proposal down were appointed by Trump himself.

This probably reads like gibberish to most Trump supporters. They just see it as their guy, Trump, and the dirty gubmint that won't do what he says.

I doubt they will even get the chance to see it as gibberish. Do you think Fox will even mention this detail? Because you know that 90% of Trump's diehard supporters get 100% of their info from conservative "news" outfits.
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« Reply #2521 on: January 09, 2018, 10:12:25 PM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/01/trumps-coal-bailout-is-dead/550037/

I imagine this won't hurt Trump's reputation in the least. All his supporters in the coal industry who are being let down with this will probably convince themselves that Trump did his best and it's the Democrats/Media/Deep State that's to blame for the failure, despite the fact that 4/5 of the commission that shot the proposal down were appointed by Trump himself.

You seem to be blind with hate and rage, pointing at a "failure". Did you actually read the article and see the reason the proposal failed?

The department said that it was a good idea, but they lack the power to do it.

The FERC commissioner "added that he was sympathetic to the plight of coal miners and nuclear workers, but that helping them was outside the agency’s legal power. 'We have a history in this country of helping those who, through no fault of their own, have been adversely affected by technological and market change. But that is the responsibility of Congress and the state legislatures. It is not a role that the Federal Power Act provides to the commission,' he said."

The only "failure" here is that the Secretary of Energy sent this to the wrong people.

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« Reply #2522 on: January 09, 2018, 10:15:14 PM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/01/trumps-coal-bailout-is-dead/550037/

I imagine this won't hurt Trump's reputation in the least. All his supporters in the coal industry who are being let down with this will probably convince themselves that Trump did his best and it's the Democrats/Media/Deep State that's to blame for the failure, despite the fact that 4/5 of the commission that shot the proposal down were appointed by Trump himself.

You seem to be blind with hate and rage, pointing at a "failure". Did you actually read the article and see the reason the proposal failed?

The department said that it was a good idea, but they lack the power to do it.

The FERC commissioner "added that he was sympathetic to the plight of coal miners and nuclear workers, but that helping them was outside the agency’s legal power. 'We have a history in this country of helping those who, through no fault of their own, have been adversely affected by technological and market change. But that is the responsibility of Congress and the state legislatures. It is not a role that the Federal Power Act provides to the commission,' he said."

I didn't see anyone calling it a good idea, but I did see commissioners saying that this was nothing but an attempt to subsidize out-dated technology and calling it a multi-billion dollar bailout of coal and nuclear facilities.  Doesn't seem like anyone on the FERC thought this regulation was a good one. 
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« Reply #2523 on: January 09, 2018, 10:22:50 PM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/01/trumps-coal-bailout-is-dead/550037/

I imagine this won't hurt Trump's reputation in the least. All his supporters in the coal industry who are being let down with this will probably convince themselves that Trump did his best and it's the Democrats/Media/Deep State that's to blame for the failure, despite the fact that 4/5 of the commission that shot the proposal down were appointed by Trump himself.

You seem to be blind with hate and rage, pointing at a "failure". Did you actually read the article and see the reason the proposal failed?

The department said that it was a good idea, but they lack the power to do it.

The FERC commissioner "added that he was sympathetic to the plight of coal miners and nuclear workers, but that helping them was outside the agency’s legal power. 'We have a history in this country of helping those who, through no fault of their own, have been adversely affected by technological and market change. But that is the responsibility of Congress and the state legislatures. It is not a role that the Federal Power Act provides to the commission,' he said."

I didn't see anyone calling it a good idea, but I did see commissioners saying that this was nothing but an attempt to subsidize out-dated technology and calling it a multi-billion dollar bailout of coal and nuclear facilities.  Doesn't seem like anyone on the FERC thought this regulation was a good one.

Read my quote. The commissioner sympathizes with the industries and agrees that we have a history of helping such vital industries in this situation, but the commission simply not have the legal power to enact the proposal and recommended that the proposal should go elsewhere.

HOW is that a failure? Calling it a "failure" is clearly just a smear.

I read the article. Roundy and others apparently did not. You guys went by the slanted liberal headlines and made your own assumptions without actually looking much into it like you always do.

In fact, the entire Atlantic article is slanted to paint a certain picture. It says that the proposal is "controversial" by some groups again and again (I guess we better get rid of "outdated" landlines then. We can all just use cell phones! Who cares about reliability, emergencies, comfort and price?), but the article seems to whitewash over the fact that the merits of the proposal or its controversies have NOTHING TO DO with why it did not pass. Man, what a BIG failure.  ::)
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« Reply #2524 on: January 09, 2018, 10:29:05 PM »
Yes I read the article, hence why I noticed you making stuff up. I also never said it was a failure, that is you being “blind with hate and rage”. In fact the commissioner says that helping coal and nuclear workers is beyond their power, but that does not mean it is beyond their power to require utilities to keep surplus fuel on hand. But let’s say you are right in your interpretation; Rick Perry even asking the FERC to vote on this smacks of incompetence. I mean, shouldnt he know that the FERC could not pass this, if you are correct? I would not give him a passing grade.
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« Reply #2525 on: January 09, 2018, 11:10:45 PM »
The department said that it was a good idea, but they lack the power to do it.

The FERC commissioner "added that he was sympathetic to the plight of coal miners and nuclear workers, but that helping them was outside the agency’s legal power. 'We have a history in this country of helping those who, through no fault of their own, have been adversely affected by technological and market change. But that is the responsibility of Congress and the state legislatures. It is not a role that the Federal Power Act provides to the commission,' he said."

The only "failure" here is that the Secretary of Energy sent this to the wrong people.

you've misread the article entirely.

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As proposed, the rule aimed to improve the resilience and stability of the electrical grid. Citing some electricity problems that struck during the “polar vortex”-induced cold snap of 2014, Secretary of Energy Rick Perry proposed that utility companies should pay coal and nuclear plants to keep weeks of extra fuel on hand.

The Department of Energy, which Perry leads, doesn’t have the power to force utilities to follow such a rule itself. But the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, or FERC, is charged by Congress with regulating interstate electricity sales and some power utilities. Perry asked FERC’s five commissioners to adopt his proposed rule within 60 days.

the DOE cannot do the plan.  only the FERC can.

you've also misquoted richard glick.  he does not support the plan.

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In a statement on Monday, FERC thanked Perry for his attention to grid resiliency and said it would continue to research and pay attention to the issue. But individual commissioners were more cutting in their replies.

“The proposed rule had little, if anything, to do with resilience, and was instead aimed at subsidizing certain uncompetitive electric generation technologies,” said Richard Glick, a Trump-appointed FERC commissioner, dubbing the plan “a multi-billion dollar bailout targeted at coal and nuclear generating facilities.”

He added that he was sympathetic to the plight of coal miners and nuclear workers, but that helping them was outside the agency’s legal power. “We have a history in this country of helping those who, through no fault of their own, have been adversely affected by technological and market change. But that is the responsibility of Congress and the state legislatures. It is not a role that the Federal Power Act provides to the commission,” he said.

he's not saying that the FERC lacks the authority to do perry's proposal; he's saying that they lack the authority to solve the root of the problem: "technological and market change."
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2527 on: January 10, 2018, 12:26:10 PM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/01/trumps-coal-bailout-is-dead/550037/

I imagine this won't hurt Trump's reputation in the least. All his supporters in the coal industry who are being let down with this will probably convince themselves that Trump did his best and it's the Democrats/Media/Deep State that's to blame for the failure, despite the fact that 4/5 of the commission that shot the proposal down were appointed by Trump himself.

You seem to be blind with hate and rage, pointing at a "failure". Did you actually read the article and see the reason the proposal failed?

The department said that it was a good idea, but they lack the power to do it.

The FERC commissioner "added that he was sympathetic to the plight of coal miners and nuclear workers, but that helping them was outside the agency’s legal power. 'We have a history in this country of helping those who, through no fault of their own, have been adversely affected by technological and market change. But that is the responsibility of Congress and the state legislatures. It is not a role that the Federal Power Act provides to the commission,' he said."

The only "failure" here is that the Secretary of Energy sent this to the wrong people.

1. The FERC is dependent of the Energy Department.  They are not bound by it, nor can be controlled by it.  In fact, it's power is balanced only by the courts, which can strike them down.  Trump himself couldn't stop them from implementing a rule.  So Perry DID, in fact, send it to the right people.  Helping the coal and nuclear power workers was outside of the agency's legal power.  Helping the actual companies was not.  Very different things.  They could have put this rule in place as its a rule to ensure that the power grid is reliable (doesn't go down due to temporary shortage) but they chose not to.  This is not about legal authority.

2. The Commissioner(not department.  Please use the proper term) said the rule was a blatant attempt to subsidize industries.  Something they refuse to do.  IF the rule was something like "Coal plants must have X weeks of fuel on hand" that would be vastly different.  But that's likely already a rule.  Instead the proposal was "Pay providers to have a surplus supply" which is kinda like Walmart paying Apple to ensure they have enough iphones in America in case a shipment is late.

3.  The commissioner was sympathetic to the plights of workers (which was not even noted in the rules, FYI) but they couldn't help (the workers) directly.  But the rule didn't help workers directly, it helped power plant companies. 

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« Reply #2528 on: January 10, 2018, 02:09:05 PM »
In the end it's better for your sanity if you just ignore Tom, really.
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« Reply #2529 on: January 10, 2018, 03:09:05 PM »
In the end it's better for your sanity if you just ignore Tom, really.
I am fed by internet rage.


Also:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/10/576966545/n-c-gerrymandered-map-ruled-unconstitutional-by-panel-of-judges

lol.
I love how the republicans are defending it like "It's not gerrymandering, we just drew it so most of each area is full of republicans.  I mean, we ARE a republican state, doesn't it make sense?"

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« Reply #2530 on: January 10, 2018, 10:14:10 PM »
While you guys were bitching, President Donald J. "MAGA" Trump was busy fixing the Korean Peninsula.

http://bbc.in/2DfHXzc

Truly a master of diplomacy. And yet people still doubt him!
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« Reply #2531 on: January 10, 2018, 10:46:29 PM »
It is the work of a stable genius. If someone isn’t willing to gamble nuclear war for agreement on the Olympics, their priorities are skewed. SAD!
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2532 on: January 11, 2018, 05:22:00 AM »
While you guys were bitching, President Donald J. "MAGA" Trump was busy fixing the Korean Peninsula.

http://bbc.in/2DfHXzc

Truly a master of diplomacy. And yet people still doubt him!


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« Reply #2533 on: January 11, 2018, 09:14:07 PM »
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/confused-trump-tricked-into-opposing-own-surveillance-bill.html

You can't make this shit up. Trump's not the most powerful person in the country, the contributors to Fox and Friends are, because he takes all his cues from them.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #2534 on: January 11, 2018, 09:36:54 PM »
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/confused-trump-tricked-into-opposing-own-surveillance-bill.html

You can't make this shit up. Trump's not the most powerful person in the country, the contributors to Fox and Friends are, because he takes all his cues from them.
Its frightening to see media manipulation so blatent yet so effective on a sitting president.


Wait, maybe we can use this.  We just have to fake a fox and friends broadcast and have it talk about how President Trump is a idiot and needs to quit. 

Re: Trump
« Reply #2535 on: January 12, 2018, 01:28:51 PM »
"Fake News" is at it again.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/11/news/companies/fiat-chrysler-tax-reform-bonus-jobs/index.html

While this sounds good and I hope it is, I'm also wondering if this is just a way to make people think the tax plan was good for them so they don't vote out the republicans this year.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #2538 on: January 14, 2018, 07:17:31 AM »
Ssooo.... Trump wishes America had more Norwegian immigrants.


Does he know that Norway is a socialist welfare state?  The very thing his party hates?  He is literally saying he wants more liberals because even høyra, the biggest right wing party (høyra means right) is left by US standards. 

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« Reply #2539 on: January 14, 2018, 02:30:06 PM »
He's just saying he wants more white people. Trump doesn't know anything about Norway or its policies.
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