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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few genuine questions from a "round earther "

« on: February 04, 2016, 02:41:43 PM »

Ok. For the arguments sake let's say space travel is not possible. (purely for argument sake. I still believe space travel is not an illusion)

Why would part of the illusion be in convincing the public that the earth is spherical? If what is being claimed by FE's as proof to support a FET is so obvious. Why has so much time and money been spent on supporting a consipiracy of the world being spherical?

I can see a reason why creating an illusion of space travel could be advantageous. I cannot see a reason for concealing the truth regarding the planet is spherical.

P.s. In regards to your comment about Antarctica being ice on top of Rock. You are right, I don't know why I though it would ice all the way down. My mistake. (Although I still disagree that Antarctica is an ice wall around a flat earths perimeter for the record)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few genuine questions from a "round earther "

« on: February 04, 2016, 10:50:27 AM »

Hi guys.

The diversity of humans never ceases to amaze me. I have just stumbled across FET in the past hour and I'm very interested. I have taken the time to read your FAQ's and it is all very interesting. I have some questions that I'm confident are not covered in the FAQ's.

1) If the world is flat and Antarctica acts as "a wall around the edge" (referring to the diagram  in FAQ's). How does the very outer edge of Antarctica not erode away and inevitably dissappear completely? I would be so bold as to say that everything on this planet errodes/decays over time. If Antarctica is acting as a wall and therefore keeping the ocean "on" the earth what happens when Antarctica is not large/strong enough to with stand the enormous pressure of the entire world's ocean pushing against it?
2) how deep/thick is the flat earth? And what is the underside like? Is that immune to erosion?

3) why has no one ever seen the edge or fallen off? Human's have explored the vast majority of the planet..

4) is space travel a conspiracy? Are all the astronauts in on it? When a space shuttle takes off to go to the moon or to the ISS does it just go and land somewhere an hour later and then all the fake footage starts being fed to the public?

5) (this is in relation to previous question) what would the conspiritors have to gain from tricking the entire planet into believing we are on a spherical planet?

I am asking these questions with genuine intrigue and I am asking them with respect towards all beliefs held by anyone reading them.

In return I ask you to reply to them with respect and avoid any "you've been brainwashed by nasa" -esk replies

1) Space is cold. It is almost absolute zero. So you have that freezing temperature constantly cooling the perimeter of earth. Yes, costal erosion will happen, but new ice will be created as a result of the extreme temperatures. It is also a long way from the path of the sun. You read the FAQ, have seen the maps, it stays cold out there.

2) We know it is at least 13km thick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole It is hard to be exact. we just don't have the data.

3) 2 reasons. First is the Antarctic treaty that forbids people from just going there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System It is a military zone protected by the UN. Second there are accounts of people trying, but the temperature keeps declining, the weather gets worse, earth's magnetic fields gets a bit weird at the edges making navigation hard. All this is documented by explorers of the 'south pole' and we can find excerpts for bits you wish to challenge.

4) Yes, It is all fake. People cannot go to space. Space walks are conducted in swimming pools (which is why astronauts occasionally have their suits fill up with water in 'space' and also why you can occasionally see bubbles from those astronauts in space). When the shuttle takes off, it takes a nice arc to somewhere obscure and lands. It is then flown back.
Astornauts then proceed to do green screen footage, often in parabolic flight aircraft to simulate zero gravity.

5) Money. What is NASA's budget? All that money is taken, they give you a cheap Hollywood production and the rest of the cash goes into the weapons dev budget. That is what nasa is for. Developing weapons. It started during the war with Vietnam. That war was costing the US its entire GDP every year. How to get more money? Fake a space program. Those billions can also go to weapons but it doesn't seem to the public it is being wasted, it seems like science. Fast forward and it acts like the military industrial complex. A way to syphon tax payer money off without people shitting a brick over military expenses.

Asking 5 questions in one thread is always likely to get a poor response. Ask one per thread so people can go into detail on that topic. Otherwise it just devolves into an unsatisfactory crapfest of short answers with no real depth.

Thanks for taking the time to write such s great reply. I really enjoyed reading it.

First of all I must say your point regarding the constant rejuvenation of the ice wall due to cold temperatures is certainly feasible. Although I don't think it's enough to maintain a barrier strong enough to with stand the enormous pressure of the entire oceans pushing against it.

While I see your point regarding the possibility of NASA being a cover up to funnel money into weapon development. I disagree this is necessary, the government can sell snow too Eskimos. If it wanted to use more money to develope weapons it could just do it. Americans love the idea of dominance in the military(check what Trump is saying very half hour). I just don't think it needs to create a cover up to pump more money into weapon development.

My main issues with accepting a FET is the advantages of deceiving the public into believing the planet is spherical. The time money and effort put into maintaining the illusion greatly out weighs the benefits.

Now I could almost see the advantages of faking space travel to create an illusion of power and dominance. BUT I believe that genuine space travel and exploration would be far more advantageous to the entire human race.

With consideration of your final remark regarding me posting to multiple questions in one thread I will now ask 1 question.

What is the advantages of hiding the fact that the world is flat?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few genuine questions from a "round earther "

« on: February 03, 2016, 05:05:31 PM »

Oscar.

Maybe there is a reason why I am raising questions that many others do. Id say it is simply because they are the main questions that would need answering to prove a Flat Earth Theory is true.

I came here open minded and excited to discuss all possibilities. I think I will now leave thinking that this is just another wild claim by people that have no real argument/ fact or evidence to back up such a claim.

I genuinely wish everyone on both side of the argument a happy and prosperous future.
 
I promise that should a FET be found to be correct I will think of all you guys and I will be apologetic and humble.

P.S. Elvis is still alive.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few genuine questions from a "round earther "

« on: February 03, 2016, 03:41:37 PM »

I shall head straight over to the wiki now and look up the information regarding the Suns position. Thanks for the tip.

In general I must say I'm a little underwhelmed by the amount of fact and evidence to prove the earth is indeed flat.

Our environment seems to generally and unanimously indicate the world is spherical. The freedom in which the public travels the earth today, I find it impossible to believe that no one would have noticed if the earth was flat. The way we use technology to navigate in the air and on sea would all surely have to rigged to make us think we are using the idea of a round planet when actually were are in essence on a shelf.  and how do you explain, if all space travel is an illusion, the use of sat nav?

Guys, I'm really struggling to engage in a stimulating debate on this topic and therefore am struggling to take it seriously if I'm honest.

And the biggest issue I'm having is what would be the advantage of deceiving the entire human race into believing the world is spherical rather than flat? There has to be a reason to deceive someone, I am struggling to see what advantage someone would have in successfully convincing the planet is globe shape rather than the truth being known if it is flat.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few genuine questions from a "round earther "

« on: February 03, 2016, 01:50:18 PM »

Oscar; thanks for reply!

I understand where you are coming from regarding using space travel as a cover up for money. But I still believe there would be more to gain from actually mastering space travel. As quoted by Lonesome Cow controlling space means controlling earth.

If space travel is just a cover up to take taxpayers money, where would you propose the money goes? It clearly can't go back into the system otherwise USA wouldn't be so fucked? So it must be for personal gain. And in that case, i am assuming the person/people are already hugely wealthy and influential, wouldn't real power (in form of control of space) be more beneficial?

Lonesome Cow; thanks for taking the time to reply.

On the topic of the ice wall. It goes against basic human instinct to admit "we don't know what is over there" and not go and find out.

Also, if the world is flat and surrounded by an ice wall. And the governments/people in power are lying to the public to trick them into believing other wise. Do you think it is possible that "NASA" could be using this money to explore the ice wall and develope a way of making it inhabitable to the worlds elite?

Another point I'd like to raise is in regard to the sun rise and sunset. I have seen the diagram on the FES wiki and it shows the sun moving in a circular orbit over the flat earth. If this is so how would it appear to go down/behind the horizon at sunset ? Surely it would stay at the same height but just become very distant?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: A few genuine questions from a "round earther "

« on: February 03, 2016, 08:20:58 AM »

I must say I was expecting a more solid debate.

Sexwarrior; you refer to "the ice wall" am i right in assuming that the general belief is that there is a large ice wall that prevents anyone actually getting to the edge? And for it to be generally un heard of to speculate what is beyond it seems a little ignorant in regards of the natural human instinct of knowledge.

And I actually feel that question number 4 was very important. There are many conspiracy theory behind many different aspects of the world. And behind every conspiracy theory there is always an advantage into successfully hiding the truth.
For example; aliens. The world leaders would have a lot to gain by successfully hiding the fact they do exists.

9/11, the world leaders need the public to believe this act was committed by extreme Islamic terrorists to keep support against the war on terror.

In contrast. There is no benefit (as far as I can see) of covering up the space travel fantasy. The knowledge we can gain from space travel and possibilities of being able to maintain life in space or even find another planet for humans to survive on is hugely advantageous.

My point being that it is would take a lot of resources and time to successfully mask the "illusion" of space travel without any real benefit. Whereas there is a lot to gain from genuine space travel.

I strongly encourage all Flat Earthers reading this to please get involved and create a stimulating debate. I am interested in all aspects of this ide of a flat earth. And as much as I appreciate your input sexwarrior I think it fair to say the answers you gave are purely opinion based and don't have any real evidence to reinforce them.

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Flat Earth Theory / A few genuine questions from a "round earther "

« on: February 02, 2016, 09:46:46 PM »

Hi guys.

The diversity of humans never ceases to amaze me. I have just stumbled across FET in the past hour and I'm very interested. I have taken the time to read your FAQ's and it is all very interesting. I have some questions that I'm confident are not covered in the FAQ's.

1) If the world is flat and Antarctica acts as "a wall around the edge" (referring to the diagram  in FAQ's). How does the very outer edge of Antarctica not erode away and inevitably dissappear completely? I would be so bold as to say that everything on this planet errodes/decays over time. If Antarctica is acting as a wall and therefore keeping the ocean "on" the earth what happens when Antarctica is not large/strong enough to with stand the enormous pressure of the entire world's ocean pushing against it?
2) how deep/thick is the flat earth? And what is the underside like? Is that immune to erosion?

3) why has no one ever seen the edge or fallen off? Human's have explored the vast majority of the planet..

4) is space travel a conspiracy? Are all the astronauts in on it? When a space shuttle takes off to go to the moon or to the ISS does it just go and land somewhere an hour later and then all the fake footage starts being fed to the public?

5) (this is in relation to previous question) what would the conspiritors have to gain from tricking the entire planet into believing we are on a spherical planet?

I am asking these questions with genuine intrigue and I am asking them with respect towards all beliefs held by anyone reading them.

In return I ask you to reply to them with respect and avoid any "you've been brainwashed by nasa" -esk replies