Poll

What Religion are you?

Jewish
1 (1.8%)
Muslim
1 (1.8%)
Hindu
0 (0%)
Buddhist
0 (0%)
Other
2 (3.5%)
Theist
2 (3.5%)
Folk Religions
2 (3.5%)
Deist
7 (12.3%)
Christian
11 (19.3%)
None (Atheism)
31 (54.4%)

Total Members Voted: 48

Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #160 on: December 08, 2013, 08:52:41 PM »
Incidentally, if you doubt the statistic re: young black men, then you prove me wrong. The truth is the truth. Any good sociology text will corroborate my statement.

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« Reply #161 on: December 08, 2013, 09:06:47 PM »
Meltdown yes. Racist, no. Its not racist when its true. Re: the atheist dig, you can bet that his primitive ancestors did believe in gods. Atheism is a new concept, & hasn't taken the Earth by storm. As to the intelligence of atheism, the only response is that someone who believes that the universe just came about by accident is not the sharpest knife in the rack.
And why couldn't it have? And even if there is a creative force who created the universe, how can you be so sure it's Yahweh?
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Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #162 on: December 08, 2013, 09:08:47 PM »
Why couldn't what have done what?

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #163 on: December 08, 2013, 09:10:23 PM »
Why couldn't the universe just have come about by accident?
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Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #164 on: December 08, 2013, 09:14:35 PM »
I'm not trying to prove Judaism. I'm only arguing that proposing the universe just got here is like saying the watch you found had no maker. Lets not get into which religion has it right. Frankly, I know what God has revealed to the Jews. What he did or didn't reveal to Gentiles is above my pay grade.

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« Reply #165 on: December 08, 2013, 09:18:59 PM »
The universe doesn't necessarily need to have a maker. It might just as well have come about by some unknown natural process.
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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #166 on: December 08, 2013, 09:21:42 PM »
If the universe was created according to some fundamental laws then it would not need to be random.
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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #167 on: December 08, 2013, 09:23:22 PM »
I'm only arguing that proposing the universe just got here is like saying the watch you found had no maker.

That's a horrible argument, though, no matter what way you try to present it. There is no reason to believe things couldn't have come about naturally; just because there's an analogy for something doesn't make it true.
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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #168 on: December 08, 2013, 09:25:08 PM »
I'm not trying to prove Judaism. I'm only arguing that proposing the universe just got here is like saying the watch you found had no maker. Lets not get into which religion has it right. Frankly, I know what God has revealed to the Jews. What he did or didn't reveal to Gentiles is above my pay grade.

You claim to know what god revealed to the Jews, but since the sources are extremely prone to bias and exaggeration, to say you "know" would be a massive overstatement.

RE: You being racist-You derogatory and inflammatory towards Arabs show you clearly are racist.
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Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #169 on: December 08, 2013, 09:26:14 PM »
Theoretically possible. Statistically highly unlikely. For every single atom to be just right even on Earth to allow for intelligent life is a 1 in several million chance. That it happened elsewhere also? Much harder to conceive. But, I weary of the battle since neither of us is likely to win the other over to our point of view. What say we change the topic?

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« Reply #170 on: December 08, 2013, 09:32:30 PM »
Theoretically possible. Statistically highly unlikely. For every single atom to be just right even on Earth to allow for intelligent life is a 1 in several million chance. That it happened elsewhere also? Much harder to conceive. But, I weary of the battle since neither of us is likely to win the other over to our point of view. What say we change the topic?

You are making up statistics now. You must be truly desperate.
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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #171 on: December 08, 2013, 09:33:09 PM »
Theoretically possible. Statistically highly unlikely. For every single atom to be just right even on Earth to allow for intelligent life is a 1 in several million chance.

What data did you use to make this claim? I want to view it.

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #172 on: December 08, 2013, 09:39:43 PM »
Science may not have an answer for the origin of the universe, but saying "God did it" is not only the easiest way to explain it, but I think it's also a very cheap and lazy way, and it doesn't make it true.
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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #173 on: December 08, 2013, 09:40:55 PM »
If the universe was created according to some fundamental laws then it would not need to be random.

The universe is random within a set of laws.


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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #174 on: December 08, 2013, 10:24:35 PM »
I'm not trying to prove Judaism. I'm only arguing that proposing the universe just got here is like saying the watch you found had no maker.

we know the watch had a maker because we've seen watches before and know them to be man made.

It wouldn't surprise me if the first sundial however was natural.


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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #175 on: December 08, 2013, 10:27:09 PM »
If the universe was created according to some fundamental laws then it would not need to be random.

The universe is random within a set of laws.



Sure, and that is different than an accident.
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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #176 on: December 08, 2013, 10:29:26 PM »
If the universe was created according to some fundamental laws then it would not need to be random.

The universe is random within a set of laws.



Sure, and that is different than an accident.

Why?

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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #177 on: December 08, 2013, 10:48:42 PM »
Accidents are unanticipated. If you have a set of laws that can predict the set of possible outcomes and each one in the set I s arrived at by a causal set of events then it would be an anticipated possibility.
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Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #178 on: December 08, 2013, 10:53:11 PM »
Accidents are unanticipated. If you have a set of laws that can predict the set of possible outcomes and each one in the set I s arrived at by a causal set of events then it would be an anticipated possibility.

So who anticipated it?
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
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Yaakov ben Avraham

Re: What Religion are you?
« Reply #179 on: December 08, 2013, 10:59:16 PM »
The vast majority of people have always believed in a deity or deities. I don't need sources to continue to do what humans have always done. It is the atheist who is proposing that I reject belief in the guiding philosophy of my people for the last 5,000+ yrs. I suggest that the onus of proof is on the atheist. As far as making up statistics, I don't think I'm stretching or being desperate when I say that all the universe happening by accident is unlikely. Ever play 52 Pickup?
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