[thatsnice]

Satellite dish alignment can easily be measured by you to prove your theory. They have to be very accurately aligned and each transponder has a tighly defined coverage area.  For reception of a particular transponder you should be able to show the transmitter location to prove the use of ionospheric reflection.

Or you could just look at where dishes are aligned for residences at or near the equator. Since a geosynchronous satellite would necessarily be directly above the equator, their dishes should all be aimed at near 90 degrees straight up.

You were so close with that one, but you overlooked something. While, yes, geosynchronous satellites are usually positioned above the equator, that doesn't mean that it's directly above any given city. It could be anywhere east or west of that city, it just has to be on the equator. If you look at the compass on google StreetMaps, you can see that they are all pointing magnetic east.

Yes, they give you plausible deniability so people can continue believing in orbiting satellites. What's surely odd is all satellite tv dishes point off at an angle less than 60 degrees from horizontal. And the angle they point at indicates the satellite must be above a part of the globe nearly 1/4 the circumference away.

LOOK
Piura, Peru
Here's one at -5 degrees south of the equator that is pointing nearly horizontal!
https://www.google.com/maps/@-5.1609302,-80.655418,3a,35.5y,294.86h,84.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7NexUd5IifEuOVb5ZYhQ_Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Another: https://www.google.com/maps/@-5.1612217,-80.6560581,3a,75y,193.78h,78.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svSn0F5QUV7F28hcGnLN_aA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
And two more: https://www.google.com/maps/@-5.1601944,-80.6565193,3a,40y,136.04h,84.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbktmsKHcIQXoTYG-zz0FXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

What location could such a satellite possibly be 42,000 kilometers above for dishes at this angle to be aiming at it? Africa?

Now the east coast of South America:
https://www.google.com/maps/@-1.3512533,-48.4667752,3a,25.6y,24.66h,106.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV9epkXfNJZhdjJ_cDGPWTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Dish points west, but at such a low angle - it must be aimed at a satellite above the middle of the Pacific Ocean!

Go ahead and work out where these "geosynchronous satellites" must be located, given the angle the dishes are aimed. It makes zero sense.

EDIT: Here is a place that is a couple hundred miles north east of where most cable satellites are positioned.
https://www.google.com/maps/@2.7995709,-60.7763506,3a,15y,312.94h,90.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssrlXH5t2LPKGoUWBVwdhYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Just so happens that they are "almost 90 degrees", I calculate them to be 80 degrees above the horizontal.

Did you notice those are Mesh dishes - which is not used for satellite tv but some sort other C-band radio function. Could be anything from HAM / troposcatter or who knows what else. Parabolic antennas were being used long before it was ever said we had satellites in orbit.
However if you rotate that view clockwise you'll see next to another of the mesh dishes there is an actual satellite TV dish - and it is pointed about 55 degrees from horizontal.
https://www.google.com/maps/@2.7995709,-60.7763506,3a,15y,340.45h,88.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssrlXH5t2LPKGoUWBVwdhYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Coincidence?

My assumption for the ones I had posted were over the pacific ocean, which is the most plausible location. However, there are dozens if not geosynchronous satellites, and there is no way of determining which dish receivers are pointing at which satellites. If you have that much time, go ahead and use the satellite locator widget to figure it out. Try it out on your own satellite receiver dish. But what I said still stands, you can't disprove satellites if they could be anywhere east or west of the points you are giving. Find a case where it is obviously not pointing to a point at the equator(such as a Canadian dish facing north) and I'll talk.

[CableDawg]

One thing you seem to be completely unaware of is the compartmentalized nature of information, and how certain secrets are treated as the "holy of holies" which only a select few will ever be allowed to see the workings of.

This perfectly explains why various projects get canceled.  We are told it is for budgetary reasons (primarily) or that the project is no longer needed but in reality it all comes down to one person working within the scope of one compartment needing information or knowledge from another compartment.  Since breaching the compartment walls would bring the whole thing down to its knees, those in charge take the option of complete shutdown as the best option available.

Thank you so much for bringing this enlightenment to so many.

[CableDawg]

I can never fathom why NASA would cover up the truth,

You think it's realistic to expect NASA to say "actually folks, our world is flat and there's no outer space. At a certain altitude we encounter what seems to be the underside of a giant dome of smooth impenetrable sapphire and we can't get past it or through it to get anywhere near the moon, planets, stars or anything other heavenly bodies. Everything we've all been led to believe about our world is a total lie and we know next to nothing about what this place actually is or our reason is for being here. But hey - look at Kim Kardasian's ass!"

Keeping you in the complacent belief that you live on a tiny insignificant speck of a spinning ball within a vast universe populated with untold trillions of similar places means you are unlikely to worry about much of anything other than your own pursuit of pleasure and (false) knowledge. Keep buying iPhones and VR goggles. Keep whacking off to porn. Go ahead and get off on putting things in your ass. Get drunk and crazy. But most of all, keep buying shit and believe souls are a hoax.

How does it come down to keeping people complacent?

What can the average person do or gain from being told of an unfathomably large cosmos?

What can the average person do or gain from being told of a sapphire dome enclosing a flat earth and there is nothing else out there?

What about FE theory, if it were actually true and known, makes it such a destroyer of complacency?

Are you going to go back to your personal creator/shift of focus argument?

What part of religion isn't meant to keep people complacent?

[CableDawg]

Why on earth would you expect an agency of a hierarchical structure (government) literally designed to rule over you with the threat of violence or imprisonment to have any interest in informing you of the truth?

They will tell you things that, if you believe them, will tend to keep you a complacent citizen whose efforts will benefit them.

Do the owners of the race tracks try to tell the greyhounds that the thing zipping around the track is just a scrap of fur and not a real rabbit they can ever catch?

What of the hierarchical structure of religion?  Look at all the threats of violence which it is built upon.  Look at the history of the leaders doing everything they could to keep people from knowing the truth.

Do you even see the irony of your argument?

You keep insisting that NASA and the Round Earth is a false idea put in place to keep the ignorant and gullible complacent.

Throughout the vast majority of recorded history the ignorant and gullible have been kept complacent through the use of religion.  The majority were told exactly what to believe and what to do by the minority who had knowledge and, more importantly, had a vested interest in keeping thing strictly to their benefit.

Answer the question straight. 

What was the actual benefit of the lie in the first place? 

Does a flat earth somehow give the average person the ability to simply walk off the edge, into an unknown, and find a different world to live on?  Are there multiple flat earths strung together, like towns along a highway, which, if we knew of their existence, would entice us to leave this one?

If, as you've tried to argue before, it is simply about shifting focus why create the lie?  What about a flat earth would prohibit the shift of focus?

[CableDawg]

Or you could just look at where dishes are aligned for residences at or near the equator. Since a geosynchronous satellite would necessarily be directly above the equator, their dishes should all be aimed at near 90 degrees straight up.
But no, they are not:

All you have to do is look... and understand.
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You are conflating a geostationary orbit (geosynchronous equatorial orbit) with a geosynchronous orbit.

GPS and various other communication satellites are arranged in a constellation formation around Earth to provide full (or as close to full as possible) coverage.  Some may be in geostationary orbit but not all of them.

[CableDawg]

Whats drawn me to this whole thing in the first place is the fact that almost all phenomena that points to the earth being a sphere can be explained in other ways. I don't believe it has been proven beyond a rreasonable doubt that the earth is the sphere were told.

That curvature we see from up really high could very well be the terminator line of where the sun would have its radius of shine.

If it were the terminator line of the sun's shine the curvature would be concave, not convex.

[Setec Astronomy]

What can the average person do or gain from being told of an unfathomably large cosmos?

The average person can't do anything at all - other than be led to believe he and his world are an insignificant speck and the most personal power he can fathom is what he sees in the rulers of the world. Who else will he serve but them? He'll believe in things like "patriotism", revere the military, and would willingly kill and die for their commands.

What of the hierarchical structure of religion?

Organized religion is every bit the same kind of controlling scam that government is and they are nothing more than primitive governments. Same beast, different name and costumes. This is why their leaders have always been wicked to the core and have no qualms about violence, torture, and diddling little children. None of what they do is ever for the reasons they say they do it.

People who follow an organized religion are dupes.

You are conflating a geostationary orbit (geosynchronous equatorial orbit) with a geosynchronous orbit.

GPS and various other communication satellites are arranged in a constellation formation around Earth to provide full (or as close to full as possible) coverage.  Some may be in geostationary orbit but not all of them.

You're the one conflating. Your cable TV dish is aimed at a fixed spot in the sky where one particular supposed "satellite" is located. Why are you conflating this with "GPS and other communication satellites" other than to grasp at straws?

[Randominput]

What can the average person do or gain from being told of an unfathomably large cosmos?

The average person can't do anything at all - other than be led to believe he and his world are an insignificant speck and the most personal power he can fathom is what he sees in the rulers of the world. Who else will he serve but them? He'll believe in things like "patriotism", revere the military, and would willingly kill and die for their commands.

Haha, what? Are you sure you're talking about FET and not mind-controlling contrails?
In fact if anything tge thought of multiple worlds (especially one as close as Mars is) would promote thought that he can get more power. A whole bunch more power, since he'd have a whole planet that his native government legally can't own without breaking an international treaty.
In fact, making us beleive we only had this single planet would more likely make us less willing to act out.

And again, as I pointed out before, the FE-ers are less aggressive, rude, etc than us RE guys on average. It almost seems like beleiving in a flat Earth makes you more complacent than beleiving in a round one.

That and a government wanting total control and willingness to die for their country wouldn't let them speak out against them or the military. As a US citizen, I can tell you that I can call the military horrible and not be shot, or arrested or something. We have the freedom to wander our world, freedom to speak against the government, and freedom to our own experiments to confirm the shape of our planet. Your total control conspiracy wouldn't have that.

[Setec Astronomy]

And again, as I pointed out before, the FE-ers are less aggressive, rude, etc than us RE guys on average. It almost seems like beleiving in a flat Earth makes you more complacent than beleiving in a round one.

You are complacent towards your government masters and all the lies you are told, which you believe without question. Your signature suggests the mindset of a crazed jihadist willing to murder others ("mortal enemies") based on them not believing in the fairy tale you've accepted as true. In other words, you are perfectly mind-controlled and will do the bidding of your master, including hating others simply for their lack of belief. But doubt your master? Oh, you cannot even entertain such heresy!

[andruszkow]

And again, as I pointed out before, the FE-ers are less aggressive, rude, etc than us RE guys on average. It almost seems like beleiving in a flat Earth makes you more complacent than beleiving in a round one.

You are complacent towards your government masters and all the lies you are told, which you believe without question. Your signature suggests the mindset of a crazed jihadist willing to murder others ("mortal enemies") based on them not believing in the fairy tale you've accepted as true. In other words, you are perfectly mind-controlled and will do the bidding of your master, including hating others simply for their lack of belief. But doubt your master? Oh, you cannot even entertain such heresy!

So if I were to say that I sent a high altitude balloon 24km up, taking everything into account about the camera sensor, ruled out lens aberration, and snapped a picture of earth's curvature, I would either be a liar or in on the conspiracy?

Or, did "the government" hack my radio signal and replace my telemetry and image data, corrupting the checksum of each and every data packet I received in real-time?

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

And again, as I pointed out before, the FE-ers are less aggressive, rude, etc than us RE guys on average. It almost seems like beleiving in a flat Earth makes you more complacent than beleiving in a round one.

You are complacent towards your government masters and all the lies you are told, which you believe without question. Your signature suggests the mindset of a crazed jihadist willing to murder others ("mortal enemies") based on them not believing in the fairy tale you've accepted as true. In other words, you are perfectly mind-controlled and will do the bidding of your master, including hating others simply for their lack of belief. But doubt your master? Oh, you cannot even entertain such heresy!

So if I were to say that I sent a high altitude balloon 24km up, taking everything into account about the camera sensor, ruled out lens aberration, and snapped a picture of earth's curvature, I would either be a liar or in on the conspiracy?

Or, did "the government" hack my radio signal and replace my telemetry and image data, corrupting the checksum of each and every data packet I received in real-time?

Don't talk about it, be about it.

[Randominput]

You are complacent towards your government masters and all the lies you are told, which you believe without question. Your signature suggests the mindset of a crazed jihadist willing to murder others ("mortal enemies") based on them not believing in the fairy tale you've accepted as true. In other words, you are perfectly mind-controlled and will do the bidding of your master, including hating others simply for their lack of belief. But doubt your master? Oh, you cannot even entertain such heresy!

Today on reading to deeply intovthings and still missing the point.
To defend my sig, Moon Hoaxers just got way too many holes in their theories and also have the balls to tell a man who landed on the moon that he didn't. They are assholes. They really are.
But I wouldn't kill them. I wouldn't even maim them. I would however tell them that I think they are assholes.

And I'm going to assume my master is my local government, the USA. I'll be frank, the country can go fluck itself. In fact, I think its actually on the road to flucking itself already. I think its safe to say they control my mind as much as a potato drives my car.

Again, I wouldn't have freedom to speak against them if I was mind controlled.

Honestly setec, you disappoint me. Truth isn't calling us violent, or mindless. I don't think a good deal of the FE-ers here to even be nutter. After all, the only certainty is that we can't be certain of anything.

[andruszkow]

And again, as I pointed out before, the FE-ers are less aggressive, rude, etc than us RE guys on average. It almost seems like beleiving in a flat Earth makes you more complacent than beleiving in a round one.

You are complacent towards your government masters and all the lies you are told, which you believe without question. Your signature suggests the mindset of a crazed jihadist willing to murder others ("mortal enemies") based on them not believing in the fairy tale you've accepted as true. In other words, you are perfectly mind-controlled and will do the bidding of your master, including hating others simply for their lack of belief. But doubt your master? Oh, you cannot even entertain such heresy!

So if I were to say that I sent a high altitude balloon 24km up, taking everything into account about the camera sensor, ruled out lens aberration, and snapped a picture of earth's curvature, I would either be a liar or in on the conspiracy?

Or, did "the government" hack my radio signal and replace my telemetry and image data, corrupting the checksum of each and every data packet I received in real-time?

Don't talk about it, be about it.

What does that even mean?

[Roundabout]

Here's a recent (Oct. 2015) hi-res image of the Earth from the moon, taken by the LRO:
https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/lro-earthrise-2015

Here's how the image was made:
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/895

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

Here's a recent (Oct. 2015) hi-res image of the Earth from the moon, taken by the LRO:
https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/lro-earthrise-2015

Here's how the image was made:
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/895

Oh yeah that totally looks real

Question, are there lunar astronauts or was that just some kind of hypothetical scenario described in that article. I honestly couldn't follow that odd ball explanation of how the picture was created, maybe that was the point. It seems to me it would be easier to just bang the thing out in Photoshop in one afternoon, not that it would look any worse than this abomination. Is the surface of the moon always glossy like that? If we could take this photo from some lunar orbiter than why did we need to fund and launch the discovr satellite that miraculously stands still and points at earth in a hypothetical gravity void a million miles away?

[Rounder]

Question, are there lunar astronauts or was that just some kind of hypothetical scenario described in that article.

Those are hpothetical future astronauts, as indicated by the use of the future tense in all the verbs referring to them.  "lunar astronauts will see..."   "what will farside explorers think with no Earth overhead?"   

And by the use of the sentence "Future astronauts will see the continents....."

I honestly couldn't follow that odd ball explanation of how the picture was created, maybe that was the point.

I wonder if this is an effect of disbelieving the spacecraft idea.  Those of us who accept spaceflight may have internalized some concepts that we unconsciously incorporate into our understanding of the explanation; concepts which you have not internalized (or once had, but have since rejected) and therefore no longer form a portion of your thought process and are unavailable to assist.  In the same way that particle/wave duality might be incomprehensible to someone stuck with the "billiard balls in circular orbits" Bohr atomic model, instead of the more modern "quantum probability shells" model of atomic structure?  It's a reach, I know, don't bother expending a lot of energy arguing about it.

[Venus]

Because I have certainly not seen any indications that humans can cooperate on such a scale for a long timeframe without internal fighting.

What makes you think you would be privy to their infighting?

I think the implication is that infighting would result in the conspirators no longer cooperating, and from there to outright conflict among them, in which case the whole conspiracy thing would fall apart.  And THAT, we would see.  If suddenly The Conspiracy was no longer acting in unison to deceive us all about the shape of the world.

A lot of the technologies are subject to military classification. And the military does a very good job of keeping military secrets, secret. You would have a hard time finding classified military secrets online.

Tom - You obviously have not heard of wikileaks ... many US military 'secrets' have been leaked over the last 10 years !!

[Venus]

Who bribed/paid Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Galileo, Eratosthenes, Ptolemy, Keppler,  Newton, Halley, Aristarchus, Aristotle, Hubble and Einstein (who died in 1955) ... who all supported the spherical earth theory

How many Popes have there been. Do you think their number and the longevity of their ideas means it's true? (I certainly don't)

Now try to convince me that this world wide conspiracy has been going on for 2500 years !!

Your mind is quite closed so I doubt you could become convinced of anything you had not previously decided is true.

But I will say this - if you want to remove a people's belief in a personal creator and get them to focus on strictly materialistic matters that will benefit kings and merchants - convincing them that their whole world is an insignificant speck in a universe filled with other such worlds is a very effective method for achieving this.

[/quote]

Your question on Popes... during my life I have found that the Catholic Church is prepared to change it's mind about things... eg it now forbids slavery (because it is immoral), meat can now be eaten on Fridays, it now states that all people have a human right to religious freedom and the Church is separate from the State, and it now accepts evolution (evolution, not creationism, is taught in Science in Catholic schools) By the way the Vatican has an observatory and supports astronomical research and education !! But I don't think nowadays that what the Pope or the Catholic Church think or believe really matters to the Scientific community at all.

So you presume that anyone who does not believe in a personal creator is materialistic??? Ha ha ...tell that to the starving kids in Africa who have never heard of a god !!

No I don't focus on strictly materialistic matters ... I find friends, family, my pets, working as part of a team with my students so they will be challenged and have the best learning experience I can offer, travelling and experiencing other people and cultures, gazing into space through a telescope and feeling in awe of the universe and how it works, looking at an orchid and knowing that it is pollinated by an insect which thinks the orchid is a female insect, flying, gazing down at the clouds and land below, sunsets and sunrises, walking my 3 legged dog along the beach, sitting in the sunshine at a beachside cafe sharing laughter, a meal and drinks with friends while watching the yachts disappear over the horizon, the view of my city and the bay it hugs at any time of the day or night from the nearby hills, watching my cats as they groom each other while lying in the sunshine, writing a new song and entertaining a crowd by singing and playing it on my guitar, playing with my nieces and nephews, listening to my (almost) 90 year old mother telling me stories of her life - these are just some of the things in life I focus on. I am old enough to know that money does not buy happiness, but young enough to know that the harder you work to earn a good living the more you will enjoy life and can contribute back to the world.

I have been a scientist for many years ... it fascinates me, excites and captivates me !! It is awesome because it is continually improving upon itself. The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, and to its elegance and simplicity. As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be rejected or modified if it does not fit the new findings; in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then desired. Science happily throws out old theories such as the geocentric theory, the expanding earth theory and the miasma theory of disease when new observations and evidence come to light. Scientists (myself included) would happily accept the flat earth model IF and WHEN it can explain ALL of the observations and data we have about our earth, solar system and the universe.  That is the beauty of science.

But unfortunately the FE Model cannot explain even a fraction of the observations we have made, let alone make any predictions!! Unlike that other "Nottascience" book called the Bible which seems to be set in stone and closed to any new observations or information which might come along, Science, by its very nature, IS open minded !!

Yes, we are an insignificant speck, and our existence has no grand purpose at all. But that doesn't mean that my life has no purpose,  because it does ... in sooooo many ways !! I trust that I challenge and touch the lives of those I know and love, those I work with and those I entertain !!

Yet you have a need to believe that there must be a purpose behind our universe, that God created it just for man, and that God has a special plan just for you .... How egocentrical can you be ??
And insisting that "the Bible said it so it must be right" is illogical... and totally closed minded !!!

[fndz]

If all space agencies in the world were in on the conspiracy, you would think there would be at least one leak, like Edward Snowden. There hasn't. Flat Earth is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories in the world.

[Black Marker]

If all space agencies in the world were in on the conspiracy, you would think there would be at least one leak, like Edward Snowden. There hasn't. Flat Earth is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories in the world.

I registered on this site to ask this but you seem to have already said it. What of all the space agencies that aren't NASA? Why didn't the Russians try to call the USA out when they claimed to land on the moon? Why do so many countries (many of which have a lot of reasons to resent the US) have their own space agencies, and not one has said that NASA/the USA are lying? How do private firms such as SpaceX exist? Is Elon Musk, a private businessman with no political ties to the US government, being funded by NASA to keep quiet about this conspiracy? Is he spending millions of his own hard-earned money just to fool us for no discernable reason? For instance, take a look at this footage released recently.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/27/11804110/watch-spacex-falcon-9-landing-onboard-video
Is this video doctored? If so, how/why? What do SpaceX, a private company that has nothing to gain by just lying to people without selling them something, have at stake to fabricate this? Do you have any proof to suggest this other than "the Earth is flat, thus this video cannot exist"? Why does your initial premise of the Earth being flat take precedence over all other evidence, and why do you try to bend all evidence to the contrary to support your hypothesis in such an ad-hoc way?