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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Great NASA Conspiracy

« on: May 05, 2016, 05:34:32 AM »

You are complacent towards your government masters and all the lies you are told, which you believe without question. Your signature suggests the mindset of a crazed jihadist willing to murder others ("mortal enemies") based on them not believing in the fairy tale you've accepted as true. In other words, you are perfectly mind-controlled and will do the bidding of your master, including hating others simply for their lack of belief. But doubt your master? Oh, you cannot even entertain such heresy!

Today on reading to deeply intovthings and still missing the point.
To defend my sig, Moon Hoaxers just got way too many holes in their theories and also have the balls to tell a man who landed on the moon that he didn't. They are assholes. They really are.
But I wouldn't kill them. I wouldn't even maim them. I would however tell them that I think they are assholes.

And I'm going to assume my master is my local government, the USA. I'll be frank, the country can go fluck itself. In fact, I think its actually on the road to flucking itself already. I think its safe to say they control my mind as much as a potato drives my car.

Again, I wouldn't have freedom to speak against them if I was mind controlled.

Honestly setec, you disappoint me. Truth isn't calling us violent, or mindless. I don't think a good deal of the FE-ers here to even be nutter. After all, the only certainty is that we can't be certain of anything.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Great NASA Conspiracy

« on: May 04, 2016, 11:04:24 PM »

What can the average person do or gain from being told of an unfathomably large cosmos?

The average person can't do anything at all - other than be led to believe he and his world are an insignificant speck and the most personal power he can fathom is what he sees in the rulers of the world. Who else will he serve but them? He'll believe in things like "patriotism", revere the military, and would willingly kill and die for their commands.

Haha, what? Are you sure you're talking about FET and not mind-controlling contrails?
In fact if anything tge thought of multiple worlds (especially one as close as Mars is) would promote thought that he can get more power. A whole bunch more power, since he'd have a whole planet that his native government legally can't own without breaking an international treaty.
In fact, making us beleive we only had this single planet would more likely make us less willing to act out.

And again, as I pointed out before, the FE-ers are less aggressive, rude, etc than us RE guys on average. It almost seems like beleiving in a flat Earth makes you more complacent than beleiving in a round one.

That and a government wanting total control and willingness to die for their country wouldn't let them speak out against them or the military. As a US citizen, I can tell you that I can call the military horrible and not be shot, or arrested or something. We have the freedom to wander our world, freedom to speak against the government, and freedom to our own experiments to confirm the shape of our planet. Your total control conspiracy wouldn't have that.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Great NASA Conspiracy

« on: May 04, 2016, 03:52:17 AM »

Clarification on my saying "anyone who believes tje wiki as factual reference blah blah" that isn't intended to insult all the FE-ers out there. Its just that the wiki should seem ridiculous to anyone sane, no matter what shape you think the planet is. Good to get ideas in the ballpark I guess, but its not what I'd call refined.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Great NASA Conspiracy

« on: May 04, 2016, 03:40:07 AM »

That curvature we see from up really high could very well be the terminator line of where the sun would have its radius of shine.

Well, no. The terminator line look rather different from a curved horizon.

Also, while FET does have explanations for basically everything, they feel very similar to the "science" in those bad Sy Fy movies. And the many explanations are inconsistent, either with themselves, or with explanations for other things. To me, any of the guys whole heartedly believe in the wiki as a factual reference must spew bullcrap every day and eat it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
What I would love to see is correct math and well documented experiments. Reasoning for why one might beleive there are celestial gears, or why one might beleive in the ridiculous notion of a massive sapphire dome.

I don't mean to sound rude here. By all means, the Earth may be flat, but saying it is because it looks flat out your window and coming up with a myriad of unproven explanations for it is ridiculous.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Great NASA Conspiracy

« on: May 03, 2016, 10:19:29 PM »

Maybe they're just entirely too entangled in the web of lies at this point? Maybe the Apollo missions were faked under the assumption that the earth was a sphere and they never could really confirm or deny this prior to the missions? I'd say the reason why they can't recant at this point is that they are entirely in too deep and have already spent trillions of our dollars on space exploration.

Just a possibility as to why.

Eh, in RE you don't even have to reach low orbit to see the curvature of the Earth. Its unlikely given the accepted facts of RE that it would've taken the moon mission's failure to discover it.

But I could still see it as a plausible, albeit unlikely scenario.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Google map debunk: You must draw an "S" if you want to go to Taiwan from Shangai

« on: May 03, 2016, 07:44:15 PM »

Look, I think its safe to say this flight path would be nearly identical in a flat or round Earth. Besides cartographers aren't responsible for flight paths anyway, so at its best you can say aviators don't know what they're doing.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Great NASA Conspiracy

« on: May 03, 2016, 07:39:54 PM »

I doubt whether or not I think my planet is round really effects my complacency in any way.
Also telling us the truth when the truth isn't a danger to their rule or our daily life is an unneccesary complication they could do without. A complication they would do without.

Unless, you are willing to admit knowing the Earth is flat has given you serious issues with authority, and/or has made you an exceedingly aggressive individual. And this anomoly must be common among the majority of FE-ers (which it isn't. Credit where its due you guys seem to actually be calmer on average then us). So complancency isn't it unless the aforementioned requirements are met (or something more ridiculous like seeing our lizard overlords for who they really are. ).

So once again the question stands without even a somewhat probable excuse for why.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Great NASA Conspiracy

« on: May 03, 2016, 07:06:15 PM »

Stuff

You do realize that if our world was flat, it'd be more beleivable that NASA would've been honest about it upon its discovery? Anything else would mean NASA and other space agencies would've been founded solely to hold up the hoax.
Outside of looking like morons/assholes for lying about their every accomplishment, there is nothing to lose. Certainly nothing to have lost by being honest to begin with. So again, why hide it in the first place. There is nothing to gain from this charade, which they would've realized half a century ago. So the question still stands, even if in a different wording.

Why lie to begin with? If there isn't a reason to lie in the first place then why would you?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Great NASA Conspiracy

« on: May 03, 2016, 08:32:17 AM »

I will always wonder, why? Every conspiracy has a why.
Why fake the moon landing? To fool the Russians into thinking we had better tech.
Why would 9/11 be an inside job? To give the US a reason to invade the Middle East.

The is always a reason to the cover-ups (and often the most realistic part of any crackpot theory). I can never fathom why NASA would cover up the truth, or in the more unlikely scenario, multiple countries are working hand in hand to hide the truth. What is there to gain in hiding it, what is there to lose if the whistle is blown? If its a global conspiracy everyone is in on, it clearly isn't political, or about resources. It definitely isn't for keeping peace (home or abroad). And the further this conspiracy goes back, the more possible reasons begin to make less sense. Entire cultures have come and gone, cities leveled and empires fallen. It is very implausible for this group to have maintained power over everyone for so long without having something inhuman (themselves or technology) in their possession.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How Clouds Once Again Prove Flat-Earth Theory

« on: April 27, 2016, 12:47:49 AM »

I would like to point out something I learned in my *gasp* government underfunded schooling.

The scientific method. No experiment is valid if it is not repeatable.

That said, saying sunbeams disprove RE is malarky. Experiments I can take lead to far too many variations in the altitude of our local fusion reactor for it to an accurate or reliable test. Sunbeams are not reliable enough to determine distance of the sun, for FE or RE.

This methodology is flawed because the medium of measurement (sunbeams) are unreliable in nature.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is the evidence?

« on: February 07, 2016, 05:09:37 AM »

There is plenty of evidence. Please see the FAQ.

I've explored the wiki a bit, which lacks citable sources or supportive, repeatable experiments. I've also looked in the FAQ only do discover either a further lack of citable sources or repeatable experiments, conflicting responses (Earth gravity doesn't exist, but the stars have gravity to produce coreolis effect?), or the most common response of go to the wiki.
Its kind of like hot potato for the new guys truly willing to learn FE; for those of us looking for some manner of supportive evidence, it feels like we're a chicken with its head cut off.

And before you say it, no, the horizon looking flat is not valid. As I examined in my own thread, the horizon curve is hardly noticable in a relatively small scale planet, and would be blurred by atmospheric scattering IRL. This makes that arguement plainly invalid for FE or RE to use.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Issue with the horizon arguement

« on: February 06, 2016, 05:34:27 PM »

Therefore, in trusting our own senses and observations, we can logically conclude we are on a flat surface, and thus a flat earth.

Did you really just do this. The image I posted is from the surface of a round planet one tenth the size of the RE. The horizon of that planet goes down only ~5 pixels, and that's being generous. My whole point is that you can hardly notice that curve on a smaller round planet, so going by simple logic its easy to determine that the curve would be even harder to distinguish on a real planet ten times the size of the one in the image I provided. Further still, real life has atmospheric scattering that'll blur that horizon, making it even harder to spot the curve.

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Flat Earth Theory / Issue with the horizon arguement

« on: February 06, 2016, 12:31:45 AM »

Generally when I engage in textual fisticuffs with a FE'er the first arguement he throws out is "look at the horizon, it's flat!" but fact is that is very, very difficult to tell at ground level.
What proof do I have that this is the case?
Take a look at this youtube thumbnail I snagged from google.


The game is called Kerbal Space Program, and takes place in a round planet universe. Further still the homeworld, Kerbin, is 1/10 the scale of the round Earth. At first glance the curve is hardly noticable, but it is there. Zoom in on the horizon if you need to.

Now I'm not gonna try and use a game to totally falsify FE (although its a useful relatively cheap way to experiment with a RE horizon, especially with the mod that converts the game's system with a full scale RE), because thats tremendously more ballsy then I'd like to bother with. But it does drive a point that the horizon arguement is by far the worst in your arsenal. Simply because if I can hardly notice a curve on a 1/10 scale ball, I most assuredly won't notice it on a full scale one.

For clarity, I'm not saying the game actually disproves FE or proves RE, it just proves the utter pointlessness of one of the more common FE arguements.