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Title: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 03, 2017, 08:46:20 AM
Read the entirety of this post before arguing your point, and read the links too.

I have spent some time reading up on the "flat earth theory", and I have found subscribers to this theory have a critical misunderstanding of how gravity works. Now to be fair most people don't really understand how gravity works, I'll do my best to explain it.

Space and time are essentially the same thing, woven together it's known as space-time. Now imagine space time is a surface of a trampoline, if you set a bowling ball in the middle of it it will create a divit, and if you place another object they will roll towards each other, much like how gravity functions only gravity works on all planes, not just two demintonal like this example.

 http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/zoom-grav.html

Next, the orbit of the earth. Orbits work because the object is in a constant state of free fall, the gravitational force of the sun is pulling the earth towards it, however the earth is also missing the impact because it is always moving in a sideways direction at the same time. The force of gravity easily overpowers any entropy caused by small particles in space. The earth is essentially in a perminate state of free fall towards the sun however because of momentum in a sideways direction will always miss and this keeps us an average of 93 million miles from the sun at all times.

 http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/1-what-causes-an-orbit.html

Maps of earth: There is no mathematical way to project a flat map of earth, so those who are trying to use maps to prove the earth is flat is just wrong.

 https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/why-is-an-accurate-global-map-hard-to-make.141647/

If anyone wants to argue any other points I would be happy to enlighten you, but first I have an experiment for you. Do this and it will 100% prove one way or the other who is right:
1) Buy a very very large balloon
2) fill it with helium
3) attach a digital camera and a GPS so you can find it later, or put it on a very very long string.
4) let it go, when it comes back down look at the footage. If you don't want to do this yourself here is a link from someone who did, and before you call BS I expect to see footage of your own.

 https://youtu.be/3y0nHhFGXDo
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Pete Svarrior on July 03, 2017, 09:18:15 AM
I have spent some time reading up on the "flat earth theory", and I have found subscribers to this theory have a critical misunderstanding of how gravity works. Now to be fair most people don't really understand how gravity works, I'll do my best to explain it.
tfw to intelligent

Maps of earth: There is no mathematical way to project a flat map of earth, so those who are trying to use maps to prove the earth is flat is just wrong.
The Earth is flat. There is no mathematical way to project a flat surface onto a sphere without distorting it. Therefore, a globe is just wrong.

Do you see where this sort of logic fails? If you rely on the assumption that the Earth is a certain shape, reaching a conclusion that it's that shape is useless.

https://youtu.be/3y0nHhFGXDo
That's some nice lens distortion you've got there. I didn't know the Earth was egg-shaped, or that its shape changes so rapidly to correlate with angle.

before you call BS I expect to see footage of your own.
I don't think you understand your position here. Nobody cares about the expectations of a self-entitled asshole who came here (uninvited) to "enlighten" us with his high-school-level understanding of physics.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: TomInAustin on July 03, 2017, 03:05:48 PM
Posting a video with a wide angle lens proves nothing.  A prime lens will show what you seek.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Smokified on July 03, 2017, 11:57:02 PM
I have spent some time reading up on the "flat earth theory", and I have found subscribers to this theory have a critical misunderstanding of how gravity works. Now to be fair most people don't really understand how gravity works, I'll do my best to explain it.
tfw to intelligent

Maps of earth: There is no mathematical way to project a flat map of earth, so those who are trying to use maps to prove the earth is flat is just wrong.
The Earth is flat. There is no mathematical way to project a flat surface onto a sphere without distorting it. Therefore, a globe is just wrong.

Do you see where this sort of logic fails? If you rely on the assumption that the Earth is a certain shape, reaching a conclusion that it's that shape is useless.

https://youtu.be/3y0nHhFGXDo
That's some nice lens distortion you've got there. I didn't know the Earth was egg-shaped, or that its shape changes so rapidly to correlate with angle.

before you call BS I expect to see footage of your own.
I don't think you understand your position here. Nobody cares about the expectations of a self-entitled asshole who came here (uninvited) to "enlighten" us with his high-school-level understanding of physics.

What is your position here?  You are constantly lecturing people on the methods in which it is acceptable to communicate with you instead of just addressing the facts being presented.  If you wanted to have an exclusive club where everyone validates your conspiracy theory, why have a public site with a forum called "The Flat Earth Debate"?  If you are not interested in the debate, why come here and spend time blatantly avoiding the debate.

The earth is not flat, and nobody is trying to project a flat earth onto a globe using math.  You can, however, use math to verify the validity of any map that exists (keeping in mind that there is not one single "real" flat earth map that exists).
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 04, 2017, 05:18:50 AM
Someone, anyone, give me evidence that I can't scientifically disapprove.

And between all of you, I challenge you to get $500 together and do the balloon test, I've seen hundreds of these tests done and not one shows a "flat earth"
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 04, 2017, 04:46:42 PM
The video you posted is using a wide angle lens, the curvature of the earth changes depending on where the camera is looking in the scene.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 04, 2017, 07:38:47 PM
The video you posted is using a wide angle lens, the curvature of the earth changes depending on where the camera is looking in the scene.

Show me s video of a flat earth then.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: 3DGeek on July 05, 2017, 07:19:52 PM
The video you posted is using a wide angle lens, the curvature of the earth changes depending on where the camera is looking in the scene.

Show me s video of a flat earth then.

Showing photos of round (or flat) horizons convinces nobody.   If we saw a photo of a high-altitude, flat horizon - then that too could be the result of lens distortion.

It's truly a waste of time to try to present this stuff as evidence...and I say this as an RE'er.

I vote we find three FE'ers and three RE'ers with cameras - two who live in the UK, another two who live in East Africa and a third pair who live in South Africa (or choose Canada, Mexico and Argentina - or some place in north/central Russia, Japan and Australia...so long as they are on roughly the same line of longitude, I don't care) - have all of them photograph the moon at about the same time on the same night, preferably when it's close enough to the horizon to get both moon and horizon in shot - then have all six of them post their photos here and have a team of experts on either side of the debate explain to the rest of us what these photographs show.

Honestly - this is a ridiculously easy experiment...if it's done honestly by FE'ers AND RE'ers and we can compare their shots - then it's going to be hard for either side to claim "FAKE!" - there can be no possible conspiracy - and it WILL show whether the world is round or flat in a manner that everyone can easily understand.  Lens distortion won't matter - I can think of no way for this to fail.


Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Boots on July 05, 2017, 07:39:51 PM
I can think of no way for this to fail.
I think you vastly underestimate the resourcefulness of those who are determined to remain unconvinced.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: 3DGeek on July 05, 2017, 07:58:34 PM
I can think of no way for this to fail.
I think you vastly underestimate the resourcefulness of those who are determined to remain unconvinced.

Possibly...but I'd like to see an explanation.  If there is already an adequate explanation for the "moon-rotation" issue - then perhaps some FE'er could give it to us and save all of the messing around with photographs.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: franklinho on July 06, 2017, 12:09:51 AM
Agreed with Galileo's quote. Also, I don't know whether I mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. It has been proven by scientists that it is possible to create a 90 degree equilateral triangle on the surface of the Earth - something not possible with a flat earth.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 06, 2017, 12:47:45 AM
The video you posted is using a wide angle lens, the curvature of the earth changes depending on where the camera is looking in the scene.

Show me s video of a flat earth then.

Showing photos of round (or flat) horizons convinces nobody.   If we saw a photo of a high-altitude, flat horizon - then that too could be the result of lens distortion.

It's truly a waste of time to try to present this stuff as evidence...and I say this as an RE'er.

I vote we find three FE'ers and three RE'ers with cameras - two who live in the UK, another two who live in East Africa and a third pair who live in South Africa (or choose Canada, Mexico and Argentina - or some place in north/central Russia, Japan and Australia...so long as they are on roughly the same line of longitude, I don't care) - have all of them photograph the moon at about the same time on the same night, preferably when it's close enough to the horizon to get both moon and horizon in shot - then have all six of them post their photos here and have a team of experts on either side of the debate explain to the rest of us what these photographs show.

Honestly - this is a ridiculously easy experiment...if it's done honestly by FE'ers AND RE'ers and we can compare their shots - then it's going to be hard for either side to claim "FAKE!" - there can be no possible conspiracy - and it WILL show whether the world is round or flat in a manner that everyone can easily understand.  Lens distortion won't matter - I can think of no way for this to fail.

I volunteer from northern California to take a picture.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: JHelzer on July 06, 2017, 01:03:16 AM
I'd just like to point out that the true curvature of the Earth is visible in all the weather balloon videos out there on YouTube.  It is true that the camera lens is distorting the horizon across the screen from left to right, but that isn't the only curving of the Earth in these pictures.  In all the videos you can see that the Earth curves away from us into the distance.  If the Earth was flat, we should be able to see hundreds or thousands of miles away into the distance as we rise higher.  Instead we always see the edge of the Earth in a sharp line as it curves away from us.

(http://www.mytrexinc.com/g/fe/earth-lens.png)

This screen shot at 6:16 from the video posted above shows the horizon from left to right looking as if the Earth's curve is concave.  We all know that is not correct, it is a lens distortion.  However in this same image, we can see that the Earth curves away from us into the distance.  It is very clear that anything moving away from you would fly out and down around the bend and out of sight as the Earth curves away.  Every balloon video that I've ever watched on YouTube shows this same thing; even the ones claiming 100% proof that the Earth is flat.  As I look at them, they all show camera lenses distorting a picture of a spherical Earth curving away out of sight.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 06, 2017, 07:32:17 PM
I'd just like to point out that the true curvature of the Earth is visible in all the weather balloon videos out there on YouTube.  It is true that the camera lens is distorting the horizon across the screen from left to right, but that isn't the only curving of the Earth in these pictures.  In all the videos you can see that the Earth curves away from us into the distance.  If the Earth was flat, we should be able to see hundreds or thousands of miles away into the distance as we rise higher.  Instead we always see the edge of the Earth in a sharp line as it curves away from us.

(http://www.mytrexinc.com/g/fe/earth-lens.png)

This screen shot at 6:16 from the video posted above shows the horizon from left to right looking as if the Earth's curve is concave.  We all know that is not correct, it is a lens distortion.  However in this same image, we can see that the Earth curves away from us into the distance.  It is very clear that anything moving away from you would fly out and down around the bend and out of sight as the Earth curves away.  Every balloon video that I've ever watched on YouTube shows this same thing; even the ones claiming 100% proof that the Earth is flat.  As I look at them, they all show camera lenses distorting a picture of a spherical Earth curving away out of sight.

Another good argument is that, no matter where the balloon in launched from it always appears to be in the center, this would not be possible with a flat earth. Disregarding the curvature and lense distortion, a ball on launched in California and one launched in Germany would not both appear to be launched at the center of the earth, this effect is only prevalent in a round earth model. A flat earth would show more land in one given direction than the other, where a spherical earth will always appear to be launched at the center and have equal land on all sides. This takes the argument of lense distortion completely out, I would like to see a counter argument on that point.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Dither on July 06, 2017, 08:41:29 PM
Another good argument is that, no matter where the balloon in launched from it always appears to be in the center,
What???

This has made my day, I'm off to work...

Sorry,

I should qualify this statement by asking why doesn't that above principal apply with a flat earth model.
Just stand still and do a 360 degree turn on the spot and tell me its because you are on a round earth that this is possible, are you not now the centre of all you survey?
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Curious Squirrel on July 06, 2017, 09:21:31 PM
Another good argument is that, no matter where the balloon in launched from it always appears to be in the center,
What???

This has made my day, I'm off to work...

Sorry,

I should qualify this statement by asking why doesn't that above principal apply with a flat earth model.
Just stand still and do a 360 degree turn on the spot and tell me its because you are on a round earth that this is possible, are you not now the centre of all you survey?

Upon reaching the upper atmosphere's, where your vision allows you to see further, you should be able to begin to see the edges. A ballon launched in Australia should not see the world extend out beneath them equally in all directions on a flat Earth. Because the view would look past the 'ice wall' into nothingness. Actually now I'm curious what one launched from the Antarctic would see, if it's been done. Because it should see a long wall of ice curving off into the distance all along one side, would it not?
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 06, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
Another good argument is that, no matter where the balloon in launched from it always appears to be in the center,
What???

This has made my day, I'm off to work...

Sorry,

I should qualify this statement by asking why doesn't that above principal apply with a flat earth model.
Just stand still and do a 360 degree turn on the spot and tell me its because you are on a round earth that this is possible, are you not now the centre of all you survey?

Standing on the ground does not help the argument for the same reason gaurd towers on built high up. You can see a greater distances and over obsitcals from an increased altadtude. As the person above me said a balloon launched from an area close to the edge of a flat earth should be able to see this wall and would not appear to be in the center of the map. In the flat earth model it is usually stated that the north poll is at the center, so the only place you should see equal land on all sides would be a balloon launched at the north poll. In fact any balloon launched should be able to see this wall before you see off into space above the horizon line.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 06, 2017, 10:22:56 PM
Another good argument is that, no matter where the balloon in launched from it always appears to be in the center,
What???

This has made my day, I'm off to work...

Sorry,

I should qualify this statement by asking why doesn't that above principal apply with a flat earth model.
Just stand still and do a 360 degree turn on the spot and tell me its because you are on a round earth that this is possible, are you not now the centre of all you survey?

Upon reaching the upper atmosphere's, where your vision allows you to see further, you should be able to begin to see the edges. A ballon launched in Australia should not see the world extend out beneath them equally in all directions on a flat Earth. Because the view would look past the 'ice wall' into nothingness. Actually now I'm curious what one launched from the Antarctic would see, if it's been done. Because it should see a long wall of ice curving off into the distance all along one side, would it not?

Here is a link to a video launched from southern Australia, no ice wall anywhere to be seen, and still equal land on all sides.

https://youtu.be/AHl6iQSDjqA
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 07, 2017, 03:45:36 AM
Another good argument is that, no matter where the balloon in launched from it always appears to be in the center,
What???

This has made my day, I'm off to work...

Sorry,

I should qualify this statement by asking why doesn't that above principal apply with a flat earth model.
Just stand still and do a 360 degree turn on the spot and tell me its because you are on a round earth that this is possible, are you not now the centre of all you survey?

Upon reaching the upper atmosphere's, where your vision allows you to see further, you should be able to begin to see the edges. A ballon launched in Australia should not see the world extend out beneath them equally in all directions on a flat Earth. Because the view would look past the 'ice wall' into nothingness. Actually now I'm curious what one launched from the Antarctic would see, if it's been done. Because it should see a long wall of ice curving off into the distance all along one side, would it not?

Why would you be able to see where it is night?
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 07, 2017, 04:00:11 AM
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Why would you be able to see where it is night?

Because of the time? Lol

I guess I don't understand your question. A round earth won't obscure your ability to see the horizon line, you can see this line from a 747 on a trans Atlantic flight. More to that point at that altitude you can see a slight curvature to the earth too.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Curious Squirrel on July 07, 2017, 04:42:29 AM
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Why would you be able to see where it is night?

Because of the time? Lol

I guess I don't understand your question. A round earth won't obscure your ability to see the horizon line, you can see this line from a 747 on a trans Atlantic flight. More to that point at that altitude you can see a slight curvature to the earth too.
I'm going to hazard a guess he means why would we be able to see the locations upon the world where it's night. To which I would say, quite simply, 'light radiation' from large cities should show up, as well as at times the moon likely should afford some illumination of night zones.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 07, 2017, 12:49:35 PM
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Why would you be able to see where it is night?

Because of the time? Lol

I guess I don't understand your question. A round earth won't obscure your ability to see the horizon line, you can see this line from a 747 on a trans Atlantic flight. More to that point at that altitude you can see a slight curvature to the earth too.

Lack of light tends to obscure visibility.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 07, 2017, 01:53:05 PM
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Why would you be able to see where it is night?

Because of the time? Lol

I guess I don't understand your question. A round earth won't obscure your ability to see the horizon line, you can see this line from a 747 on a trans Atlantic flight. More to that point at that altitude you can see a slight curvature to the earth too.

Lack of light tends to obscure visibility.

A black body object is always visable on the background of space.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 08, 2017, 03:20:04 AM
Alright, as dad as I am concerned, not one flat earther has provided a credible answer to my questions. No one is willing to launch their own balloon. No one will provide proof of this ice wall. No one will provide one shred of proof of a flat earth. And as usual when enough concreat proof has been provided they burry their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Tom Bishop on July 08, 2017, 04:09:22 PM
Alright, as dad as I am concerned, not one flat earther has provided a credible answer to my questions. No one is willing to launch their own balloon. No one will provide proof of this ice wall. No one will provide one shred of proof of a flat earth. And as usual when enough concreat proof has been provided they burry their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

What are you talking about? Your "concrete proof" video was discredited in the second post of this thread.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 08, 2017, 05:50:11 PM
Alright, as dad as I am concerned, not one flat earther has provided a credible answer to my questions. No one is willing to launch their own balloon. No one will provide proof of this ice wall. No one will provide one shred of proof of a flat earth. And as usual when enough concreat proof has been provided they burry their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

What are you talking about? Your "concrete proof" video was discredited in the second post of this thread.

No, it wasn't, plus there are a lot of other points brought up, no one wants to even try to answer them.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 09, 2017, 03:42:14 AM
Lol
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: juner on July 09, 2017, 02:24:09 PM
Lol

Hi there, please refrain from low-content posting in the upper fora. You have already been warned once previously. The next one will be a 3-day ban.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: neutrino on July 09, 2017, 05:43:02 PM
Just a thought. Is everything said about flat earth is also under low-content classification?
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: juner on July 09, 2017, 06:11:23 PM
Just a thought. Is everything said about flat earth is also under low-content classification?

What a hilarious and totally 100% original thing that no one has literally ever said before.

If you want to shitpost, do it in one of the fora designed for that purpose. Or go somewhere else. Warned.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: inquisitive on July 10, 2017, 06:46:50 AM
Alright, as dad as I am concerned, not one flat earther has provided a credible answer to my questions. No one is willing to launch their own balloon. No one will provide proof of this ice wall. No one will provide one shred of proof of a flat earth. And as usual when enough concreat proof has been provided they burry their heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

What are you talking about? Your "concrete proof" video was discredited in the second post of this thread.
Measurements of distances and the angle of the sun prove a round earth, repeated because you cannot disprove this.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: neutrino on July 11, 2017, 04:30:21 PM
Just a thought. Is everything said about flat earth is also under low-content classification?

What a hilarious and totally 100% original thing that no one has literally ever said before.

If you want to shitpost, do it in one of the fora designed for that purpose. Or go somewhere else. Warned.
Well, why this is shit post? I'm writing absolutely seriously. This is exactly what I think about this theory.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Pete Svarrior on July 11, 2017, 04:46:42 PM
What is your position here?
My position can be summarised as "Your data is bad and you should feel bad".

You are constantly lecturing people on the methods in which it is acceptable to communicate with you instead of just addressing the facts being presented.
Sorry, what facts? All we have here is a video showing enormous lens distortion. If the Earth were round, and if its curvature were as extreme as this video shows, the entire Earth would be smaller than the USA really is. There are no "facts" to "address" here.

If you wanted to have an exclusive club where everyone validates your conspiracy theory, why have a public site with a forum called "The Flat Earth Debate"?
What conspiracy theory?

If you are not interested in the debate, why come here and spend time blatantly avoiding the debate.
I'm always happy to debate. Just give me something to actually talk about.

You can, however, use math to verify the validity of any map that exists (keeping in mind that there is not one single "real" flat earth map that exists).
Fascinating. By all means, go ahead.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: juner on July 12, 2017, 02:48:56 AM
Well, why this is shit post? I'm writing absolutely seriously. This is exactly what I think about this theory.

While I appreciate your super cool opinion, it is irrelevant to the topic. Please refrain from low-content posting. 2nd warning.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 12, 2017, 04:00:31 AM
What is your position here?
My position can be summarised as "Your data is bad and you should feel bad".

You are constantly lecturing people on the methods in which it is acceptable to communicate with you instead of just addressing the facts being presented.
Sorry, what facts? All we have here is a video showing enormous lens distortion. If the Earth were round, and if its curvature were as extreme as this video shows, the entire Earth would be smaller than the USA really is. There are no "facts" to "address" here.

If you wanted to have an exclusive club where everyone validates your conspiracy theory, why have a public site with a forum called "The Flat Earth Debate"?
What conspiracy theory?

If you are not interested in the debate, why come here and spend time blatantly avoiding the debate.
I'm always happy to debate. Just give me something to actually talk about.

You can, however, use math to verify the validity of any map that exists (keeping in mind that there is not one single "real" flat earth map that exists).
Fascinating. By all means, go ahead.

.... You do realize you're essentially arguing with one of your own people here, right? I sware you guys are just arguing for the same of arguing, you didn't even read the context.

To my point though, multiple balloons have been launched from all over the world, taking curvature out of the equation, one thing you can't argue is they a seem to apear to be launched from the center of the earth, now this is only possible on a spherical structure.

Also to my point, not one so for video has been shown a massive "ice wall" holding everything in. I even posted a video of a balloon from Australia that went up 90,000 km and no ice wall. How do you explaine that?
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: bkdivers on July 12, 2017, 06:22:13 PM
http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/1-what-causes-an-orbit.html

Maps of earth: There is no mathematical way to project a flat map of earth, so those who are trying to use maps to prove the earth is flat is just wrong.

 https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/why-is-an-accurate-global-map-hard-to-make.141647/

If anyone wants to argue any other points I would be happy to enlighten you, but first I have an experiment for you. Do this and it will 100% prove one way or the other who is right:
1) Buy a very very large balloon
2) fill it with helium
3) attach a digital camera and a GPS so you can find it later, or put it on a very very long string.
4) let it go, when it comes back down look at the footage. If you don't want to do this yourself here is a link from someone who did, and before you call BS I expect to see footage of your own.

 https://youtu.be/3y0nHhFGXDo
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Your final and absolute proof is astonishingly weak.  Please.  Here's two screen shots; one of the image near ground level, and the second while approaching the stratosphere.  The red curvature line overlay is the same on both images.  Shame on you for claiming as proof, that which is so easily disproved. Lens distortion is the ONLY thing we're witnessing here.  Study more.

The real question is why everybody in Australia is a liar.  I suspect it's because they're all descendants of criminals. A real flat earth should have some degree of light, and some degree of full light over the entire surface at the same time.  But whenever It's full noon here in North America, and I call Australia, they always lie and say it's dark.  SAD!
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 12, 2017, 07:54:14 PM
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The real question is why everybody in Australia is a liar.  I suspect it's because they're all descendants of criminals. A real flat earth should have some degree of light, and some degree of full light over the entire surface at the same time.  But whenever It's full noon here in North America, and I call Australia, they always lie and say it's dark.  SAD!


..... you're messing with me now right? You're really going to say EVERY PERSON, in an entire country is a lier? Farthermore, and I have brought this up multiple times... WHY DO ALL OF THE BALLOONS APPEAR TO BE LAUNCHED FROM THE CENTER OF THE EARTH? no one will even touch this. Why can we not see this ice wall from 90,000 km in the air?!?! Saying every single man woman and child in Australia is a lier.... that just.... I don't even know what to do with that, you're hopeless.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: bkdivers on July 12, 2017, 08:05:58 PM


..... you're messing with me now right? You're really going to say EVERY PERSON, in an entire country is a lier? Farthermore, and I have brought this up multiple times... WHY DO ALL OF THE BALLOONS APPEAR TO BE LAUNCHED FROM THE CENTER OF THE EARTH? no one will even touch this. Why can we not see this ice wall from 90,000 km in the air?!?! Saying every single man woman and child in Australia is a lier.... that just.... I don't even know what to do with that, you're hopeless.
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Hey, with a true flat earth, there must be light across the entire surface at one time.  It cannot be light here, and dark there.  Go ahead, shine a light from a single source onto a piece of paper.  it lights the entire surface.  If the earth is flat, how can it possibly be light here and dark there. To prove my theory I call them at noon, (them being 12 hours different) and yet they claim it's dark.  Ergo, the earth is round, or Australians are liars.  This entire site is dedicated to the earth being flat, so Aussies are liars.  Cant be any simpler.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Curious Squirrel on July 12, 2017, 08:27:14 PM
Hey, with a true flat earth, there must be light across the entire surface at one time.  It cannot be light here, and dark there.  Go ahead, shine a light from a single source onto a piece of paper.  it lights the entire surface.  If the earth is flat, how can it possibly be light here and dark there. To prove my theory I call them at noon, (them being 12 hours different) and yet they claim it's dark.  Ergo, the earth is round, or Australians are liars.  This entire site is dedicated to the earth being flat, so Aussies are liars.  Cant be any simpler.
Alternatively, you haven't read up on the 'spotlight' idea that has been put forth, that limits how much of the flat Earth the sun affects at one time. It's not hard to understand. Believable is another matter imo, but the idea is relatively simple. Please start your journey into FET here (http://wiki.tfes.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions) before using issues explained in the wiki to attempt to claim FET doesn't work, or that an entire country is lying to you. Feel free to discuss or debate the accuracy of said points, but when the wiki already covers why your claim isn't true, it's not a good start for your point.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: bkdivers on July 12, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
Hey, with a true flat earth, there must be light across the entire surface at one time.  It cannot be light here, and dark there.  Go ahead, shine a light from a single source onto a piece of paper.  it lights the entire surface.  If the earth is flat, how can it possibly be light here and dark there. To prove my theory I call them at noon, (them being 12 hours different) and yet they claim it's dark.  Ergo, the earth is round, or Australians are liars.  This entire site is dedicated to the earth being flat, so Aussies are liars.  Cant be any simpler.
Alternatively, you haven't read up on the 'spotlight' idea that has been put forth, that limits how much of the flat Earth the sun affects at one time. It's not hard to understand. Believable is another matter imo, but the idea is relatively simple. Please start your journey into FET here (http://wiki.tfes.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions) before using issues explained in the wiki to attempt to claim FET doesn't work, or that an entire country is lying to you. Feel free to discuss or debate the accuracy of said points, but when the wiki already covers why your claim isn't true, it's not a good start for your point.

So, not only is the earth flat, the light emitting from the sun isn't omnidirectional? The sun acts like a spotlight?  Come on, even the logo of the FES shines a light on this fallacy. The logo shows the entire "disc" lighted at once.

I'm sorry, I can be taught things that I don't understand, but I can't be taught things that can't be understood.   This is the problem with believing something irrational.  In order to support it, you have to drag in more and more irrational beliefs and explanations.  Pretty soon you're defending global conspiracies, when pretty much everyone knows that humans can't keep a secret.
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: Curious Squirrel on July 12, 2017, 08:52:22 PM
Hey, with a true flat earth, there must be light across the entire surface at one time.  It cannot be light here, and dark there.  Go ahead, shine a light from a single source onto a piece of paper.  it lights the entire surface.  If the earth is flat, how can it possibly be light here and dark there. To prove my theory I call them at noon, (them being 12 hours different) and yet they claim it's dark.  Ergo, the earth is round, or Australians are liars.  This entire site is dedicated to the earth being flat, so Aussies are liars.  Cant be any simpler.
Alternatively, you haven't read up on the 'spotlight' idea that has been put forth, that limits how much of the flat Earth the sun affects at one time. It's not hard to understand. Believable is another matter imo, but the idea is relatively simple. Please start your journey into FET here (http://wiki.tfes.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions) before using issues explained in the wiki to attempt to claim FET doesn't work, or that an entire country is lying to you. Feel free to discuss or debate the accuracy of said points, but when the wiki already covers why your claim isn't true, it's not a good start for your point.

So, not only is the earth flat, the light emitting from the sun isn't omnidirectional? The sun acts like a spotlight?  Come on, even the logo of the FES shines a light on this fallacy. The logo shows the entire "disc" lighted at once.

I'm sorry, I can be taught things that I don't understand, but I can't be taught things that can't be understood.
I'm just relaying the information presented. Feel free to create a topic/thread to discuss this, but I highly suggest reading through what the wiki has to say about it first, because if you try and use something already explained there as proof or evidence, you'll likely just be directed there.
Animation of day/night cycle on a FE as given in the wiki (http://wiki.tfes.org/images/7/70/SunAnimation.gif)
Title: Re: For the love of all that is holy, read this.
Post by: SorryNotSorry on July 13, 2017, 02:33:04 AM


..... you're messing with me now right? You're really going to say EVERY PERSON, in an entire country is a lier? Farthermore, and I have brought this up multiple times... WHY DO ALL OF THE BALLOONS APPEAR TO BE LAUNCHED FROM THE CENTER OF THE EARTH? no one will even touch this. Why can we not see this ice wall from 90,000 km in the air?!?! Saying every single man woman and child in Australia is a lier.... that just.... I don't even know what to do with that, you're hopeless.

Hey, with a true flat earth, there must be light across the entire surface at one time.  It cannot be light here, and dark there.  Go ahead, shine a light from a single source onto a piece of paper.  it lights the entire surface.  If the earth is flat, how can it possibly be light here and dark there. To prove my theory I call them at noon, (them being 12 hours different) and yet they claim it's dark.  Ergo, the earth is round, or Australians are liars.  This entire site is dedicated to the earth being flat, so Aussies are liars.  Cant be any simpler.
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I agree the earth is round, but you have to take into consideration of the fact that the globe rotates on a pivot, that's why southern hemisphere has opposite seasons as us. People in Australia are not lying to us lol