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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 06, 2024, 10:19:49 PM »

Actually almost all of our definitions and concepts, such as degeneracy, are defined by people long ago. You are basically arguing that an apple is not an apple because you don't want it to be and are proceeding to attack the people who decided what an apple was. Your opinion is irrelevant to the fact that what is commonly known as an apple, is an apple.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 06, 2024, 09:42:03 PM »

Sex work being decriminalized is far from a radical or extreme concept. It's been very successfully implemented in other countries, and it's objectively an ideal way to all but eradicate every negative effect that prostitution has on society at large - diseases, violence, sexual assault, and the like. There's no good reason to keep it illegal.

What you think is a good idea is irrelevant to the fact that prostitution has been historically given as a prominent example of degeneracy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 06, 2024, 06:40:23 PM »

Conservatives getting more religious and traditionalist is merely the response to Liberals getting more degenerate.

https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1838557946545844666?s=61&t=dBbdqd_YOX7K8phCZrsUOQ

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 06, 2024, 03:39:41 PM »

It makes sense to me why they would need a special Bible with the Constitution in it. They are attempting to bring Biblical study back into the school system. If they use a regular Bible then they can be accused of running afoul of their students' freedom of religion. They would get criticisms and questions like why not use the Quran or Torah?

 

Yeah, add the Constitution in there and this issue just vanishes, right Tom? 

Correct. They have been working on strategies for this for decades and now we have a conservative Supreme Court. They will probably get away with it this time.

https://www.the74million.org/article/oklahoma-schools-ordered-to-use-bible-in-history-teaching/

Oklahoma Schools Ordered to Use Bible in History Teaching
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State Superintendent Ryan Walters said he wants the Bible kept and taught in every Oklahoma classroom, particularly how it is referenced in America’s history and founding documents.

“We’re going to be looking at the Mayflower Compact (and) other of those foundational documents to point to and say, listen, here’s conceptually what the founders believed,” Walters said while speaking with news reporters on Thursday.

They are going to teach it under the guise of "here is what the founders believed".

In that same article they also suggest that they already have state laws in place which allows teaching from the Bible:

“Oklahoma law already explicitly allows Bibles in the classroom and enables teachers to use them in instruction,” the AG’s spokesperson, Phil Bacharach, said.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 06, 2024, 02:06:32 PM »

It makes sense to me why they would need a special Bible with the Constitution in it. They are attempting to bring Biblical study back into the school system. If they use a regular Bible then they can be accused of running afoul of their students' freedom of religion. They would get criticisms and questions like why not use the Quran or Torah?

If they integrate it into American and Constitutional history then they can use the Christian Bible. Thus, they have more a defense if they have a special Bible created with other documents integrated into it.

https://oklahomawatch.org/2024/10/03/state-education-department-seeks-bids-for-55000-classroom-bibles/

“We don’t want extra things in there; historical documents are fine,” Walters said. “If it’s the King James version and the Constitution, the Magna Carta, things like that, that are also in statute that can be used in the classroom, that’s fine. But we don’t want commentary around the Bible because this is to serve as a historical reference document.”

They want a specific version of the Bible used in early America, say that they are fine if documents like the Magna Carta are in it, and refer to the Bible as a 'historical reference document', which gives away what they are doing. While Trump's Bible probably sparked the idea, this appears to be more about skirting religious freedoms that created the separation of church and state in schools by combining religion with normal studies.

I suspect that they are at least 20 times more interested in using this as a mechanism for getting Bible study into schools than giving Trump money.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 06, 2024, 04:47:08 AM »

The Oklahoma school system responded and defended their requirements:

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4916077-oklahoma-trump-bibles-schools-ryan-walters/

Oklahoma defends Bibles-in-schools proposal after report that only Trump’s might qualify
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“We are excited to bring back the Bible in its essential historical and literary context to Oklahoma classrooms. Superintendent Walters has committed the agency to an open and transparent RFP process, consistent with the norms for state procurement, that will be adequate to meet the needs of Oklahoma classrooms. There are hundreds of Bible publishers and we expect a robust competition for this proposal,” the spokesperson said.

They are saying that they are giving other Bible publishers a chance. I'm betting that other publishers can beat $60 for this unique project to bring Biblical study back into the school system under the context of American and constitutional history.

It is no longer the 1800's where custom stamped templates are created for every page of a book. It is not a labor intensive process to copy paste some freely available content into a word processor for book creation and get it printed. Books can be created on-demand now. It's more of a medium than a product. This situation is basically comparable to a school wanting a website which contains freely available versions of the Constitution and the Bible, with you guys here trying to convince me that only Trump can make such a website.

You would be better off arguing from the separation of church and state angle than this anti-competitive argument.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 05, 2024, 11:20:38 PM »

A Bible that includes the US Pledge of Allegiance and the US Constitution is pretty much a 1950's-era conservative meme. This is likely why the Bible that Trump endorsed was created in the first place. Neither Trump or the Bible printing company originated the concept of merging US Constitution studies and Bible studies - that is an old 1950's Americana thing.

The claims that this requirement is anti-competitive are weak, even if Trump is the only person currently selling that Bible and gave schools the idea for the concept. None of it is copyrighted, and none of it is original. For it to be anti-competitive we would have to play dumb and pretend that this is hard to obtain or create, or that no publishing companies have ever produced special prints for schools, which is false.

If someone who is eligible to make a bid wants to create that meme Bible, they can throw it together and order prints within a day with various online services. Any major publishing house has the resources to bid for the requirements easily. The God Bless the USA Bible that Trump endorsed is also $60. If someone can beat that price in a government bid, they get the contract.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« on: October 04, 2024, 09:42:45 PM »

We know that hundreds of people are trying to beat world records, and there are even yearly races around Antarctica (which we are often pointed to, but the details are rarely discussed). This represents the best boat, so your arguments are pretty invalid.

Most of also know that many world records, including circumnavigation records, have any number of categories based on the particular type of craft and crew size, so context matters.  Picking one record and saying that the rest don't matter is nothing more than cherry picking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_the_world_sailing_record

Lisa Blair holds the generic record for fastest circumnavigation of Antarctica by sailboat.

If you are sure that there is a category where sailing boats have sailed around it in a faster time then I would suggest finding it and then contacting Guinness World Records to inform them that they are incorrect about Lisa Blair holding the record for fastest circumnavigation by sailboat.

Come on guys. Now we are accusing Guinness World Records of being incorrect about the records. How about a response with something more than "NoOoO it could be this!"

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« on: October 04, 2024, 07:47:41 PM »

It looks like you guys are claiming that she had a bad boat. According to Guinness World Records Lisa Blair holds the record for "Fastest circumnavigation of Antarctica by sailboat". She did it in 92 days 18 hours 21 minutes 22 seconds. We know that hundreds of people are trying to beat world records, and there are even yearly races around Antarctica (which we are often pointed to, but the details are rarely discussed). This represents the best boat, so your arguments are pretty invalid.

Like many other topics, we would need to believe in a series of excuses to keep the round world theory together. Instead of providing direct and compelling evidence we are just seeing continual excuses.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: October 03, 2024, 01:28:14 AM »

So much passion.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« on: October 01, 2024, 11:54:22 PM »

The Antarctic circumnavigation world record of 92 days is at odds with the global circumnavigation (or 21,600 nmi) world record of 41 days, despite that it is known that the winds are faster in the Southern Hemisphere. Over the last hundred or so years there have been a community of sailors who have been competing to beat records. These aren't one-off attempts and represent the best possible record.

For the world record for circumnavigation around Antarctica, Lisa Blair set it at 92 days.

In contrast, the sailing world record for circumnavigation around the globe (or 21,600 nmi) is 41 days.

In this sort or race for the "around the world sailing record", the goal wasn't necessarily to make a perfect circumference around the globe for obvious reasons, and is really the fastest time someone could sail a distance of 21,600 nautical miles. Francis Joyon and François Gabart made this path:

https://goldengloberace.com/the-route/



This path takes place further northwards near the continents. The total course is 30,000 miles, but they only count the best time to 21,600 nautical miles for the specific record, since this is the circumference of the RE in RE Theory.

Not only is the Antarctic circumnavigation a shorter distance on a RE than the distance circumnavigation around a RE (or 21,600 miles), but it is known that the winds are anomalously fast in the Southern Hemisphere. A number of quotes can be found which suggest that the winds in the South are of an anomalous nature as compared to the North. They become more anomalous as you travel Southward:

See: BBC Earth

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20151009-where-is-the-windiest-place-on-earth

  “ There are huge belts of wind caused by the uneven way the Sun heats the Earth's surface. 30° north and south of the equator, the trade winds blow steadily. At 40° lie the prevailing westerlies, and the polar easterlies begin at around 60°.

Ask any round-the-world sailor and they will quickly tell you the stormiest seas, stirred by the strongest winds, are found in the Southern Ocean. These infamously rough latitudes are labelled the "roaring 40s", "furious 50s" and "screaming 60s". ”

One would think that higher wind speeds would help, rather than impede, Antarctic world record racers.

While nothing is really proven to a certainty by looking at these times alone, this is just another feather taken out of the cap of the Round Earth Theory that there is a mountain of evidence in its favor. When we look closer at the details we just see anomalies and that things are not really in accordance with what is generally claimed at face value.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: October 01, 2024, 11:36:35 PM »

Would you be concerned if someone ate your favorite pet?

You guys certainly don't seem that concerned, considering that you want to dismiss all claims by claiming that there is not enough evidence to your satisfaction.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 27, 2024, 11:26:25 PM »

Trump was promising mass deportations before the Springfield story came out. Your interpretation about what occurred is invalid.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 21, 2024, 07:24:56 PM »

It's odd how we never hear anything like this about the Harris family, Biden family, or lifetime politicians in general.

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1837219541178605744

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Yet Another Gun Law Thread

« on: September 18, 2024, 05:30:29 PM »

It looks like AATW forgot why the Second Amendment exists in the US, but I stayed true to his generalities and fixed it for him:

I'm amazed this sort of thing doesn't happen all the time in the US, given that you're all armed to the teeth because of me.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Yet Another Gun Law Thread

« on: September 17, 2024, 05:46:37 PM »

People don't carry guns here. The police here don't routinely carry guns either. There are some specialist units who do but, in general people do not carry guns not feel the need to.

The only reason you keep bringing this up, even randomly unprompted in a discussion, is because you are trying to justify something. If you are sure of something, you don't bring it up randomly unprompted in discussions. This means that you aren't so sure if it is better that you are denied firearms, or whether it is wise to disarm the public.

Also, the primary intent of the Second Amendment in the US is not for the purpose of personal safety, so your safety argument is irrelevant.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 15, 2024, 03:39:52 AM »

Considering that she was a late presidential candidate to the race and was still largely unknown to the general public, this widely viewed debate was her chance to become memorable to the public sphere. Nearly 70 million people watched the debate. It was one of her few chances to make an impact.

Everyone already knew Trump, and he had nothing to introduce or prove for himself. He made sure that she was forgettable, and only Trump himself made the memorable impact. Most people who watched the debate now barely remember what Harris said, and any of her content has been overshadowed by what Trump said by far. Being a forgettable participant is terrible for her campaign effort. In this sense Trump expertly nullified her goal and won the debate.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 14, 2024, 09:45:12 PM »

I doubt that anyone here who watched the debate can even remember much of what Kamala said. Not too impactful to stick around in memory. Trump's words are remembered, however.

https://twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1834998735870308652

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: UA can surpass the speed of light without any problems.

« on: September 14, 2024, 05:04:19 AM »

In RE Theory some parts of the universe are accelerating at FTL speeds relative to other parts of the universe. Look it up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: September 12, 2024, 07:44:28 PM »

Sounds like Kamala lost to me