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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Lord Dave on June 15, 2025, 04:09:22 PM »
A railroad across any ocean or to any ocean is not just unreasonable, it is simply stupid.
Right?
I mean, once trade cargo gets off the boat at the port, its stupid to use a train to transport it across the country.  Right?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by AATW on June 15, 2025, 04:06:31 PM »
And how do you think Tom would have interpreted it had Biden said it?

I probably wouldn't have commented.
Past experience of your posts after every misspeak by Biden tells me different. Or, at the very least, if someone else had brought it up you’d have piled on. That isn’t speculation, there’s a clear pattern in your posting.
Any slight misstep from the people you like and it’s defend and deny. If it’s someone on the other side then it’s all out attack.

I’m not particularly defending Biden, he clearly was mentally unfit for office. But Trump is unfit for office too - in a different way - but because he is your guy the mental backflips you will do to find no fault in him and defend everything he says and does are ridiculous. It’s intellectually dishonest. You must at some level acknowledge that Trump is human and therefore fallible. And yet I don’t recall ever seeing you criticise or condemn anything he says or does. And it’s that which makes you appear like a cult member who is so far gone they can find no fault in their glorious leader. And that’s what makes any honest conversation with you impossible.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Tom Bishop on June 15, 2025, 03:53:27 PM »
And how do you think Tom would have interpreted it had Biden said it?

I probably wouldn't have commented. After watching the video or reading the transcript anyone can see that argument that Trump thinks that Putin was in WWII is weak.

I'm not sure why you are still attempting to put Joe Biden on an even level though. Joe Biden's reelection candidacy was rejected by his own party because he was mentally unfit for president. It was an embarrassment.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Action80 on June 15, 2025, 09:29:00 AM »
A railroad across any ocean or to any ocean is not just unreasonable, it is simply stupid.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Lord Dave on June 15, 2025, 07:15:00 AM »
I think Tom's interpretation is fair.
And how do you think Tom would have interpreted it had Biden said it?
And this is the issue with Tom and the MAGA lot in general. The ones deep in the cult don't care what happens or what is said, they only care who did it. If it's Trump or Vance or one of the other MAGA then it's ThisIsFine.jpg, no matter how egregious what is said or done is. If it's Biden or any other Democrat then it's interpreted in the most unkind and malicious way possible.
It's a level of delusion and intellectual dishonestly which makes debate impossible.

Again: addict.  So addicted to the idea of Trump that logic and reason just does not exist.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by AATW on June 14, 2025, 08:03:41 PM »
I think Tom's interpretation is fair.
And how do you think Tom would have interpreted it had Biden said it?
And this is the issue with Tom and the MAGA lot in general. The ones deep in the cult don't care what happens or what is said, they only care who did it. If it's Trump or Vance or one of the other MAGA then it's ThisIsFine.jpg, no matter how egregious what is said or done is. If it's Biden or any other Democrat then it's interpreted in the most unkind and malicious way possible.
It's a level of delusion and intellectual dishonestly which makes debate impossible.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by markjo on June 14, 2025, 06:44:36 PM »
Russia in WWII was more of a "the enemy of my enemy" alliance of necessity. 
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by honk on June 14, 2025, 04:06:50 PM »
The entire exchange:

Quote
REPORTER: Mr. President, for Americans going to Washington on Saturday —

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It’s going to be a great day.

REPORTER: What would you like folks to take away from that day? What would hope that they would remember? And also, Mr. President, and —

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: How strong our military is, we have the strongest military in the world.

You know, it’s very interesting. Three weeks ago, it was the end of world — uh anniversary, end of World War II. And I called France and Macron — a good man.

I said, “What are you doing?”

He goes, “We’re celebrating World War II, our victory.”

I said “Your victory, your victory. Tell me about that.”

And then I called somebody else and I happened to speak to President Putin at the time. Now, in all fairness to him, he lost 51 million people, and he did fight.

Russia fought, sort of interesting, isn’t it? He fought with us at World War II and everybody hates him.

And Germany and Japan, they’re fine, you know. Someday somebody will explain that. But I like Germany and Japan, too.

But Putin is a little confused by that. You know, he said, we lost 51 million people, and we were your ally. And now everybody hates Russia, and they love Germany and Japan.”

I said, “Let’s explain that sometime, okay?”

But it’s a strange world.

But I will say this. Look, I want them to go away saying how great our country and how great our military is.

And I was making all these calls for some reason. I spoke to like four different places. “Sir, are you celebrating?”

And I said, you know, we won World War II and World War I, right? We won them. And yet we’re the only country that doesn’t celebrate. Everybody’s celebrating except us. And I said we should celebrate too.

I think Tom's interpretation is fair. It's easy to jumble up your pronouns a bit when you're talking a lot. Of course, during Biden's presidency, conservatives disingenuously insisted that every similar verbal slip-up from Biden was actually what Biden really believed (e.g. Biden saying he plans to build a railroad "across the Indian Ocean" must mean that Biden actually thought he could build an underwater railroad spanning the entire Indian Ocean, rather than the more reasonable interpretation that Biden simply had meant "across to the Indian Ocean"), but I won't stoop to such dishonest tactics. It's just a verbal slip-up.

The real problem with this exchange, and one that I hope won't be buried under a wave of "lol Trump thinks that Putin was alive and fighting during WWII!" is that this is yet another reminder of Trump's general ignorance and his malleability at Putin's hands. A few minutes on the relevant articles on Wikipedia would tell anybody who's willing to find out that the Soviet Union, especially under Stalin, was a brutal, oppressive regime that killed far more innocent people than Hitler. The ethics of aligning with such a country, far from being taken for granted, are hotly debated by historians to this day. This is not obscure, niche stuff. It's pretty mainstream. And this would be bad enough if it was Trump once again embarrassing the country by stumbling onto a basic historical controversy and thinking that he's the first person to pose an obvious, sophomoric question, but as Trump tells us, it was Putin who brought this up, meaning that this is once again Putin manipulating Trump. And it's so childish. There really is no better word for it than that. Only a child would think that "But if Russia was our ally in WWII, shouldn't it be our ally now?" is a good, pertinent point.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Lord Dave on June 14, 2025, 04:03:51 PM »
So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?  Because typically we'd use the leader of the nation at that time, not currently.

Also, Trump seems to not understand that 80+ years have gone by and governments change, nor the whole cold war propaganda that he literally lived through.

Trump says to World Leader 2 "We lost half a million soldiers in WWII". World Leader 2 then says to someone else, referring to that conversation: "He lost half a million soldiers in WWII" and "He fought with us in WWII" Both of the later two sentences make perfect sense to consider Trump as the USA in this instance, considering that Trump is describing the USA as "we". Especially if during the conversation World Leader 2 clarified that "and he did fight, the US fought" to convey that "he" means the US.
They.
The correct pronoun to use when quoting a person using we, is they.  We is a plural, in this case meaning the people of America.  They, meaning the people of America in which you are not apart of, is how you'd say it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Tom Bishop on June 14, 2025, 02:48:15 PM »
So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?  Because typically we'd use the leader of the nation at that time, not currently.

Also, Trump seems to not understand that 80+ years have gone by and governments change, nor the whole cold war propaganda that he literally lived through.

Trump says to World Leader 2 "We lost half a million soldiers in WWII". World Leader 2 then says to someone else, referring to that conversation: "He lost half a million soldiers in WWII" and "He fought with us in WWII" Both of the later two sentences make perfect sense to consider Trump as the USA in this instance, considering that Trump is describing the USA as "we". Especially if during the conversation World Leader 2 clarified that "and he did fight, the US fought" to convey that "he" means the US.

I am certain that everyone here understands this and that you guys are continuing with this liberal tactic of "playing dumb" to make an argument.

He'll understand it whatever way his cult leader tells him to.
Imagine being an "independent thinker" and having such a slavish devotion to a narcissist's whims.
I like to think Tom is just trolling but I have a feeling he really is this much of a sheep.

Independent thinking isn't blindly posting the partisan rubbish you find on the internet. Your entire narrative is almost completely rubbish, and this exemplifies it. If you had watched the video before posting it you would have found that there was a whole lot of context in the "..." that your sources were lying to you about, but you accepted uncritically. You basically took a lie and posted it here, spreading lies to us directly.