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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Final Experiment
« Last post by AATW on May 21, 2024, 10:18:15 AM »
How is a couple of RE'ers embezzling investing $60k going to change anything here? Please, be as specific as you can. I'd be fascinated to learn what the endgame here is!
I've already outlined a couple of things that could happen. Neither would actually change much in the grand scheme of things, I never claimed it would.

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In the meantime, no matter how much you try to idealise your friends here, they're going to accomplish very little here, other than personally get richer.
Friends? I don't know any of these people, nor do I have much opinion of them. I was asking for your opinion.
Although how will they get richer? I can't see any way to donate to this. You may be right about this, but their financing is not at all clear.

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Earnest FE'ers. There are plenty of them, and plenty of places to find them.
And how does one determine who the earnest ones are? I'm not super convinced you lot are earnest.

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You keep clinging to this idea that there needs to be an "authority" in an expressly anti-authoritative movement.
I guess the point is there is no FE model about which there is consensus. YouTubers this bloke is engaging with are saying a 24 hour sun in Antarctica would be an issue for their FE model, which is the basis on which he picked that experiment. You're saying it's not an issue for your model. Well OK. Which model is right? It's a similar question to the above, who are the earnest ones and how does anyone tell?

RE doesn't have "an authority" either but there is a lot more consensus in mainstream science - about the basic stuff at least. No-one is debating how many poles there are, for example. Your Wiki outlines the monopole model in the FAQ but there's also a page about the bi-polar model. There's no debate about the layout of the continents or what Antarctica is.

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Does it, though?
Yes. You've got two groups of FE people both claiming that they are the "real" FE'ers and the other group aren't. You're calling them grifters, they're calling you controlled opposition. Who is right? How does anyone tell? I have my doubts about you lot, or certainly some of you. I have my doubts about them too.

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Would you like me to start fishing out the stupidest people RE has to offer and pointing out that "welp, it's not like there's an authority on RE, so we should just treat these people as equal to everyone else 🤷‍♀️"? Let's face it - you would be very quick to decry it unfair.
There is a difference. Most people don't even regard themselves as REers. I don't really. I'm not a Round Earther any more than I'm a water is wet-er. Most people believe the earth is a globe because that's what they were taught and don't really think about it, or need to. So sure, some very stupid people believe in RE but couldn't explain why. If you're a FE'er then by definition you have thought about it and come to a different view. It's more reasonable to ask a FE'er to explain how the earth can be flat and how all the technologies which (it is claimed) require a globe earth work than it is to ask the random man in the street how the earth can be rotating at 1,000mph at the equator without us feeling it.

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That's what the glass dome model is for - visualisation. You already saw it. You're perfectly capable of recalling that visualisation.
I don't know what this means. None of the glass dome videos on the Wiki show a 24 hour sun going in a circle around Antarctica.
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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Final Experiment
« Last post by Tom Bishop on May 21, 2024, 05:07:00 AM »
It would be nice if more experiments were performed on Antarcica. However, some here will recall the last trip to Antarctica experiment turned out to be a scam perpetuated by the RE'ers organizing it. People paid a lot of money to go and the organization just disappeared with the money.

See this video: CANCELED! Polar Explorer Event Fraud!



In this case for "The Final Experiment" they say that they welcome guests and if you want to go then to contact them to find out how much it will be. There are some rumors that they want $30K or something of that nature.
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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Final Experiment
« Last post by Pete Svarrior on May 21, 2024, 02:22:33 AM »
Or, more likely, they don't and are exposed as grifters.
We already know they're grifters. They've been exposed mutliple times. Nothing changed. What makes this time special? How is a couple of RE'ers embezzling investing $60k going to change anything here? Please, be as specific as you can. I'd be fascinated to learn what the endgame here is!

In the meantime, no matter how much you try to idealise your friends here, they're going to accomplish very little here, other than personally get richer. They're not even swiping at FE.

And I guess the point is who should this bloke have approached?
Earnest FE'ers. There are plenty of them, and plenty of places to find them. Plenty of RE'ers who know where to find them, including some of the ones involved in the "experiment". The reason they chose not to utilise that ability? Well, I already told you my suspicions. I guess you could ask them? :)

Who is the authority in FE?
You keep clinging to this idea that there needs to be an "authority" in an expressly anti-authoritative movement. Demanding to speak to the general manager of anarchists. I can only wish you the best of luck with that, or point out that not all collectives adhere to your colonialist mindset.

Once you get serious about this, you could maybe try a different approach.

You are sneering at YouTube FE'ers, questioning their sincerity. Don't some of them call you "controlled opposition"? It all feels a bit Judean People's Front vs the People's Front of Judea, from the outside.
Does it, though? Are you really that stupid? Or are you just making a point because you think it makes you sound profound? After all, you already repeatedly voiced your opinions on people's sincerity here. Are you really going to pretend it's all up in the air now that it's convenient for you to do so? Do you think you'll be taken seriously if you do that?

Would you like me to start fishing out the stupidest people RE has to offer and pointing out that "welp, it's not like there's an authority on RE, so we should just treat these people as equal to everyone else 🤷‍♀️"? Let's face it - you would be very quick to decry it unfair.

But is a torch a good representation of a sun which shines in all directions?
Yes, once you consider EA and scale.

Is solid glass a reasonable approximation for the atmolayer in terms of the way light through the medium.
Yes, once you consider EA and scale.

And isn't the FE sun inside where the dome is and above and circling the earth - he seems to have to shine the light more from the side to get the effect.
Indeterminate.

In terms of the 24 hour sun at Antarctica, I'm struggling to visualise how that would work.
That's what the glass dome model is for - visualisation. You already saw it. You're perfectly capable of recalling that visualisation.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« Last post by Roundy on May 21, 2024, 12:30:59 AM »
No, it was stolen and sold to the right because they love invading privacy.
One wonders what type of life would be more concerned over any act of possible theft than that of actual acts of child abuse and pedophilia...

Well, she doesn't seem to see it that way.

Furthermore, in her letter to the judge, Ashley Biden wrote that others had "once-grossly" misinterpreted her "once-private" writings and thrown "false accusations that defame my character and those of the people I love."

Biden also said that her "innermost thoughts" recorded in the diary had been "constantly distorted and manipulated," and assumed that the point of the theft was to "peddle grotesque lies by distorting my stream-of-consciousness thoughts."

I think the opinion of the alleged victim holds more weight than that of some Conservative spinmasters whose whole careers practically center around defaming Joe Biden, or of some internet trolls who just don't seem to know better than to trust those dubious sources.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« Last post by Action80 on May 20, 2024, 08:14:06 PM »
Expert?  No.
But as the evidence could have been tampered with and wasn't turned over to police AND is stolen, its the Hunter Biden laptop all over again.  How many people have gone to jail for that one again?
Maybe you missed the part where Ashley confirmed the issues she had showering with Daddy Hairy Legs?
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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Final Experiment
« Last post by AATW on May 20, 2024, 06:55:44 PM »
Yeah, I'm just suggesting that that's a critical flaw in the decision-making process, without claiming to be an authority myself. They'll run their experiment, they'll reach their conclusion (we both agree what it will be), and... what happens then?
Well, I guess what happens is either the YouTubers concede the point and stop being flat earthers - they're the ones who agreed this observation would be a problem for their version of FE. Or, more likely, they don't and are exposed as grifters. I think either outcome is potentially useful. And I don't think this experiment is a bad one. It's an expected result in RE, it's not in (some versions of) FE - to the point that I've seen FE people deny the 24 hour sun in Antarctica occurs.

And I guess the point is who should this bloke have approached? Who is the authority in FE? Is it fair to say there isn't one? Your whole philosophy seems to be "don't ask me, you make your own observations and figure it out for yourself". While I think people should be encouraged to check things for themselves - which they are, throughout science classes you do experiments and make observations - you seem to have a "every man for himself" philosophy which I would suggest is why there seems to be so little consensus in the FE community. Not that I even know what "FE community" really means. You are sneering at YouTube FE'ers, questioning their sincerity. Don't some of them call you "controlled opposition"? It all feels a bit Judean People's Front vs the People's Front of Judea, from the outside.

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And where is it coming from?
This is a good question but as I said I couldn't see a "donate" button on the website. So why it could be an attempt at embezzlement, it's very unclear who they are embezzling from if so.


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People get confused by the glass dome, I get that. As a visualisation, it has the same problem as trying to use a massively scaled-down ball to demonstrate gravity. The scaled-down FE model makes adjustments (replacing the atmolayer with a glass dome) to make it visually equivalent to the real efects of EA combined with internal reflection.
I guess the issue is it doesn't seem to be a particularly good model of the reality. There are a couple of videos on the Wiki. One he shines a torch through the glass dome and from certain angles it illuminates half the "earth". But is a torch a good representation of a sun which shines in all directions? Is solid glass a reasonable approximation for the atmolayer in terms of the way light through the medium. And isn't the FE sun inside where the dome is and above and circling the earth - he seems to have to shine the light more from the side to get the effect. I get it's just a model, I'm just not sure how valid it is.
In the second video it claims to show how stars could rotate in different directions, but no rotation is actually shown, just a static shot - which does admittedly look like how star trails may look near the equator but they're not shown rotating.

In terms of the 24 hour sun at Antarctica, I'm struggling to visualise how that would work. In the monopole model:



So A is the north pole, the sun circles it. When it's going round the red circle then it can't be seen because of EA. Fine.
When it's going round the yellow circle it can be seen at all times and goes in a circle. Also fine.
But if you're at B or C then the red circle is your summer. I can't see how that circular route would be seen from those points going in the opposite direction to the circle it's actually tracing. A common FE approach to that has been to simply deny it occurs at all. You seem to be saying it could but I can't see how that would actually work.

The bi-polar model may solve that but it seems to me it would introduce a load of other problems in terms of matching observations.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« Last post by Lord Dave on May 20, 2024, 06:42:59 PM »
No, it was stolen and sold to the right because they love invading privacy.
One wonders what type of life would be more concerned over any act of possible theft than that of actual acts of child abuse and pedophilia...

Well, ask the people who turned it over to a political action group instead of the police.  Because the evidence is now inadmisable in court.
Is that your expert legal opinion?
Expert?  No.
But as the evidence could have been tampered with and wasn't turned over to police AND is stolen, its the Hunter Biden laptop all over again.  How many people have gone to jail for that one again?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« Last post by Action80 on May 20, 2024, 01:41:29 PM »
No, it was stolen and sold to the right because they love invading privacy.
One wonders what type of life would be more concerned over any act of possible theft than that of actual acts of child abuse and pedophilia...

Well, ask the people who turned it over to a political action group instead of the police.  Because the evidence is now inadmisable in court.
Is that your expert legal opinion?
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: falsification, epistemology, FE and RE
« Last post by Pete Svarrior on May 20, 2024, 10:07:43 AM »
My question is why can't RE belief be saved by "well, it might be ..."
It can, and it regularly is. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

Is it the case that RE has to be complete, consistent, and flawless, while FE can have inconsistencies and not correlate to observations
It is not. Now, you just need to convince your compatriots that this goes both ways.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« Last post by Lord Dave on May 20, 2024, 08:03:39 AM »
No, it was stolen and sold to the right because they love invading privacy.
One wonders what type of life would be more concerned over any act of possible theft than that of actual acts of child abuse and pedophilia...

Well, ask the people who turned it over to a political action group instead of the police.  Because the evidence is now inadmisable in court.