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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« Last post by markjo on May 13, 2025, 10:36:43 PM »

Inventing bizarre physics to fit a Round Earth paradigm is the wrong approach.

This statement from someone who postulates Electromagnetic Acceleration and even has a mathematical, as yet, undefined constant named for him is beyond comical.

I'm curious about the bizarre physics that would be needed to uniformly accelerate the flat earth and all of the celestial objects.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by markjo on May 13, 2025, 10:29:10 PM »

It absolutely makes sense. It's a free plane to the American taxpayer and is going to be used for decades as a United States landmark.

But how long will it be used as Air Force One?

Thing is, the cost isn't even the worst part.  What sort of quid pro quo will Qatar expect in return for the "gift"?  This is why the Emoluments Clause says that the President may not accept such "gifts" without congressional approval.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« Last post by WTF_Seriously on May 13, 2025, 08:27:46 PM »

Inventing bizarre physics to fit a Round Earth paradigm is the wrong approach.

This statement from someone who postulates Electromagnetic Acceleration and even has a mathematical, as yet, undefined constant named for him is beyond comical.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on May 13, 2025, 07:53:57 PM »

Trump wants to use it for 4.  A brand new plane.  Used for 4 years.  Does that make sense to you?

It absolutely makes sense. It's a free plane to the American taxpayer and is going to be used for decades as a United States landmark.

A landmark... where?  Because last I checked, Trump hasn't even made any comments on WHERE his presidential library will be, let alone began to build one.

With this plane as a library feature exhibit it is going to help bring in millions of dollars in tourist revenue, not to mention notoriety. Ronald Regan's library makes 15M a year, and Trump's library will top this easily.

Not sure that's accurate.  in 2020, they were losing $150,000 per week in revenue due to covid.
Which equates to $7.8 Million a year.  Half of what you stated.

There are plenty of other aging planes in the federal collection that future presidents can use as Air Force One. The plane Trump is being given is also not "brand new" and is 13 years old.

So Trump can use one of these aging planes and not have one be built, which is scheduled to be completed in 2027?  (ps. Trump is the one who orderd the thing.)

Also... this contract that's already been awarded... I can't seem to find it.  Curiouser and Curiouser....

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by honk on May 13, 2025, 07:13:26 PM »

It is beyond pedantic to conflate a website with a physical building that every other president has built, especially when the subject under discussion is an airplane, a physical object that needs a physical structure to be stored in. Trump is not going to be storing the plane in a nonexistent structure when he leaves office. He is going to be keeping it, and the cowards whose job it is to hold him to account will once again just mumble about how much they disapprove.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on May 13, 2025, 06:40:09 PM »

Trump wants to use it for 4.  A brand new plane.  Used for 4 years.  Does that make sense to you?

It absolutely makes sense. It's a free plane to the American taxpayer and is going to be used for decades as a United States landmark. With this plane as a library feature exhibit it is going to help bring in millions of dollars in tourist revenue, not to mention notoriety. Ronald Regan's library makes 15M a year, and Trump's library will top this easily.

There are plenty of other aging planes in the federal collection that future presidents can use as Air Force One. The plane Trump is being given is also not "brand new" and is 13 years old.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on May 13, 2025, 06:22:31 PM »

Yep, I called it. In a press conference about this Trump even mentions the plane exhibit in Ronald Regan's library as a model for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTnDlrNPzgc

@3:21
it's something that was done by Ronald Reagan
they actually decommissioned the plane
and he put it in his library and it
actually has made the library I think a
Boeing 707 uh it's actually made the
library uh more successful so it was
good

do you plan to use the plane after you leave office?

no I don't no it would it would go
directly to the library after after I
leave office

Considering that the US Taxpayers are not even paying for this plane…

If Trump ever plans on using it as Air Force One, then the US Taxpayers will most certainly be on the hook for upgrading it to Air Force One standards, and that won’t be cheap.

Yes, and they are going to take the stuff they install back afterwards.

Clinton and Bush were after Regan. 

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/permanent-exhibits/air-force-one-pavilion#:~:text=Opening%20in%202005%2C%20the%20Air,U.S.%20presidents%20from%201973%2D2001.

So basically, the Regan plane (and Clinton and Bush) was used for 28 years.
Trump wants to use it for 4.  A brand new plane.  Used for 4 years.  Does that make sense to you?


Also, you can not just "take it out". These are major upgrades and changes to the entire structure of the plane.  You can take out some equipment but most of the cost is not removable.

And again: 4 years.  Well... Less actually since it takes a while to build it to spec.
So 3 years.  A brand new plane in use for 3 years.  Then the next president has to buy another one.

How is that saving money or efficient?  If Trump wants it in his library, we can put it there once it's beyond it's use and due for retirement.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on May 13, 2025, 05:17:37 PM »

Yep, I called it. In a press conference about this Trump even mentions the plane exhibit in Ronald Regan's library as a model for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTnDlrNPzgc

@3:21
it's something that was done by Ronald Reagan
they actually decommissioned the plane
and he put it in his library and it
actually has made the library I think a
Boeing 707 uh it's actually made the
library uh more successful so it was
good

do you plan to use the plane after you leave office?

no I don't no it would it would go
directly to the library after after I
leave office

Considering that the US Taxpayers are not even paying for this plane…

If Trump ever plans on using it as Air Force One, then the US Taxpayers will most certainly be on the hook for upgrading it to Air Force One standards, and that won’t be cheap.

Yes, and they are going to take the stuff they install back afterwards.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by markjo on May 13, 2025, 05:17:13 PM »

Considering that the US Taxpayers are not even paying for this plane…

If Trump ever plans on using it as Air Force One, then the US Taxpayers will most certainly be on the hook for upgrading it to Air Force One standards, and that won’t be cheap.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on May 13, 2025, 04:41:23 PM »

So basically....

"I will gift my plane not to the next president but to...my library.  So the librarian can fly it or something."

>_>

I don't see evidence that anyone is intending to fly it. Several presidents have their vehicles displayed in their presidential library, such as Ronald Regan's library:

https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2012/10/31/archives-spotlight-the-ronald-reagan-presidential-library-and-museum/

The Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum is located in Simi Valley, California—about 40 miles northwest of Los Angeles—and holds over 60 million pages of documents, 1.6 million photographs, hundreds of thousands of feet of audiovisual material, and 40,000 artifacts.

In the Air Force One Pavilion, you can tour Air Force One (tail number 27000). This airplane carried Presidents Nixon, Carter, Ford, Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Clinton, and George W. Bush all over the world and the United States. This “Flying White House” was integral to Reagan’s presidency: he wrote many speeches, signed legislation, and relaxed while traveling in Air Force One.

You can also visit an exhibit on Presidential motorcades. Vehicles include one of Reagan’s presidential limousines, Secret Service suburbans, and a Marine One helicopter that flew President Johnson.

Considering that the US Taxpayers are not even paying for this plane, the library can more easily justify making the plane a tourist exhibit of Trump's presidency. Since this is a gift to the Trump Presidency which will be used for his presidency, it should logically be immortalized as Trump's flying palace and admired by the world.

If you thought that the goal was simply to give it to Trump as another plane, you were looking too low and thinking too small. Its existence as a opulent Trump exhibit is a far grander vision and is obviously the gameplan with this plane.