Doesn't both flat-earth and round-earth theory both say that you would expect to see the sun longer from a high vantage point?
It varies. You can work it out for any day of the year. It travels from the tropic of cancer to Capricorn. Work out the latitude. How far that latitude is around on a flat earth and divide by 24 hours.You say "it varies". What is the mechanism for this variation?
It varies. You can work it out for any day of the year. It travels from the tropic of cancer to Capricorn. Work out the latitude. How far that latitude is around on a flat earth and divide by 24 hours.You say "it varies". What is the mechanism for this variation?
Also how does the sun's intensity also change to allow the much larger area of the southern hemisphere (3 times the area of the northern hemisphere!) to get the same energy (actually a little more) in its summer as the northern hemisphere gets (in its summer).
No, I have not seen "the Wiki" explain this.
It varies. You can work it out for any day of the year. It travels from the tropic of cancer to Capricorn. Work out the latitude. How far that latitude is around on a flat earth and divide by 24 hours.You say "it varies". What is the mechanism for this variation?
Also how does the sun's intensity also change to allow the much larger area of the southern hemisphere (3 times the area of the northern hemisphere!) to get the same energy (actually a little more) in its summer as the northern hemisphere gets (in its summer).
No, I have not seen "the Wiki" explain this.
What is the mechanism that allows that to happen in heliocentric theory?
It varies. You can work it out for any day of the year. It travels from the tropic of cancer to Capricorn. Work out the latitude. How far that latitude is around on a flat earth and divide by 24 hours.You say "it varies". What is the mechanism for this variation?
Also how does the sun's intensity also change to allow the much larger area of the southern hemisphere (3 times the area of the northern hemisphere!) to get the same energy (actually a little more) in its summer as the northern hemisphere gets (in its summer).
No, I have not seen "the Wiki" explain this.
What is the mechanism that allows that to happen in heliocentric theory?
Perihelion and aphelion, don't you ever consider looking at both models equally?
The Earth's orbit is not circular, it varies from 147.1 million km at January to 152.1 million km at July
Proof: Sun appears larger and move faster relative to background star in January than at July, reports also shows that the Earth receive more energy from the Sun at January than July.
Why? Elliptical orbit? Why is it elliptical? Because it has to be?
What about summer and winter? Because the Earth is tilted one way half the year, and another way the other half?
Why? Because it has to be? What is the mechanism that shifts the tilt of our entire, massive planet, predictably, year after year?
The sun receives more energy in January, then July? Not from what I have noticed. Of course I'm not entirely qualified considering I've lived in the northern hemisphere my whole life. As I'm sure 90% of people born in, stay in the southern hemisphere their whole lives.
Why? Elliptical orbit? Why is it elliptical? Because it has to be?
What about summer and winter? Because the Earth is tilted one way half the year, and another way the other half?
Why? Because it has to be? What is the mechanism that shifts the tilt of our entire, massive planet, predictably, year after year?
The sun receives more energy in January, then July? Not from what I have noticed. Of course I'm not entirely qualified considering I've lived in the northern hemisphere my whole life. As I'm sure 90% of people born in, stay in the southern hemisphere their whole lives.
Orbits are elliptical, just as how pendulum works it's conservation of momentum. Judging from your response i don't think i can explain it simple enough for you to understand it.
The tilt isn't moving (a lot) every year, it's the Earth that's revolving around the Sun, seen from the star Polaris, the North pole will constantly seem to be pointing at it while the Earth moves around the Sun.
Or i could paint you 2 different image regarding of Earth's tilt when i have the time so you might understand.
This here shows what the Earth's orbit look like from sideways if the ecliptic was a straight line:
(http://i.imgur.com/QLy1ks2.png)
Note: Left winter, right summer
This here shows what the Earth's orbit look like from sideways if the equator was a straight line:
(https://s.yimg.com/hd/answers/i/86e204b55e664cb780f68a934ef721fe_A.png?a=answers&mr=0&x=1457897322&s=29449c7ad638a33c00250e4812baed56)
Both would produce the same effect of seasons, but it would have different coordinates system. Simple enough for you to understand?
Why? Elliptical orbit? Why is it elliptical? Because it has to be?
What about summer and winter? Because the Earth is tilted one way half the year, and another way the other half?
Why? Because it has to be? What is the mechanism that shifts the tilt of our entire, massive planet, predictably, year after year?
The sun receives more energy in January, then July? Not from what I have noticed. Of course I'm not entirely qualified considering I've lived in the northern hemisphere my whole life. As I'm sure 90% of people born in, stay in the southern hemisphere their whole lives.
Orbits are elliptical, just as how pendulum works it's conservation of momentum. Judging from your response i don't think i can explain it simple enough for you to understand it.
The tilt isn't moving (a lot) every year, it's the Earth that's revolving around the Sun, seen from the star Polaris, the North pole will constantly seem to be pointing at it while the Earth moves around the Sun.
Or i could paint you 2 different image regarding of Earth's tilt when i have the time so you might understand.
This here shows what the Earth's orbit look like from sideways if the ecliptic was a straight line:
(http://i.imgur.com/QLy1ks2.png)
Note: Left winter, right summer
This here shows what the Earth's orbit look like from sideways if the equator was a straight line:
(https://s.yimg.com/hd/answers/i/86e204b55e664cb780f68a934ef721fe_A.png?a=answers&mr=0&x=1457897322&s=29449c7ad638a33c00250e4812baed56)
Both would produce the same effect of seasons, but it would have different coordinates system. Simple enough for you to understand?
But why is it tilted? Because it has to be?
There seems to be this narrative that I don't understand what you are saying, which is very condescending and no way to have a conversation.
Anyone familiar with law, would see the evidence for rotating, orbiting, tilted earth, and call it circumstantial evidence.
Just to be clear, our galaxy is also orbiting "somewhere" in the universe as well? Right? So during all this elliptical orbiting upon orbiting upon orbiting, the stars, even the ones outside of our galaxy remain pretty much fixed to an observer on Earth, correct? That doesn't just seem odd to you?
I know what parallax is. You didn't address my question at all, otherwise you would have abundant evidence for parallax happening between the stars in universe. If the entire universe is whirling, spinning, expanding faster and faster, objects getting more distant, then it seems all to perfect to me that we observe the same phenomena century after century in the night sky. Of course the excuse is that the stars are trillions of light years away, because yet again, they just have to be.
I know what parallax is. You didn't address my question at all, otherwise you would have abundant evidence for parallax happening between the stars in universe. If the entire universe is whirling, spinning, expanding faster and faster, objects getting more distant, then it seems all to perfect to me that we observe the same phenomena century after century in the night sky. Of course the excuse is that the stars are trillions of light years away, because yet again, they just have to be.
But why is it tilted? Because it has to be?
But why is it tilted? Because it has to be?
The tilt of Earth is an effect of events. Giant Impact hypothesis and the gravitational influence of the Moon and Sun.
Perihelion and aphelion
I'm wondering, does the sun indicate any redshift/blueshift to say, the New Horizons module, if it looked back at it while moving towards/away? Don't think that's how the doppler effect works though, the Sun would be have to be the thing that's moving... ugh I want to see the sun redshifted now.New Horizons is in hyperbolic orbit, so it only moves away from the Sun with a current velocity of 14.5 km/s
It varies. You can work it out for any day of the year. It travels from the tropic of cancer to Capricorn. Work out the latitude. How far that latitude is around on a flat earth and divide by 24 hours.Is sounds as though an experiment could be conducted to see if the sun moves overhead faster during summer in the south along the tropic of capricorn than it does during the summer in the north over the tropic of cancer.
He's (kinda) right, in the heliocentric spherical Earth model, the Sun moves the fastest relative to background star in January and the slowest in July.It varies. You can work it out for any day of the year. It travels from the tropic of cancer to Capricorn. Work out the latitude. How far that latitude is around on a flat earth and divide by 24 hours.Is sounds as though an experiment could be conducted to see if the sun moves overhead faster during summer in the south along the tropic of capricorn than it does during the summer in the north over the tropic of cancer.
With the fe model (mono-pole anyway) the sun would be moving along the tropic of capricorn at 2,049mph in December vs 1,204mph along the tropic of cancer in June. That is based on measured distances from the N. pole and the resulting circumferences. I think we all agree the equator is 24,901 miles in circumference, which gives us about 1,040mph for the sun at the equator. Doesn't really add up, I know.He's (kinda) right, in the heliocentric spherical Earth model, the Sun moves the fastest relative to background star in January and the slowest in July.It varies. You can work it out for any day of the year. It travels from the tropic of cancer to Capricorn. Work out the latitude. How far that latitude is around on a flat earth and divide by 24 hours.Is sounds as though an experiment could be conducted to see if the sun moves overhead faster during summer in the south along the tropic of capricorn than it does during the summer in the north over the tropic of cancer.
Though his model make no attempt explaining why does the Sun move faster in a larger circumference and slower in a smaller circumference.
In the summertime in Australia the sun is moving very fast because it has further to travel in a day. Not only is the area of the FE Southern HemiPlane (at 1,885,000,000 km2) much greater than the area of FE Northern HemiPlane (at 628,000,000 km2) the intensity of sunlight in the Southern summer is 6.9% than in the Northern Summer. Hence during its summer the FE Southern HemiPlane receives about 3.2 times the energy the FE Northern HemiPlane receives during its summer. Something does not seem to be right with this Solar model that can put out 3.2 times as much energy in the Southern Summer as in the Northern Summer - who "turns up the wick"? And if the sun stays at the same height how does this energy spread over THREE time the area? I'll leave you to draw you own conclusion as to the logic of all this! | (http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Solar%20Energy%20Received%20per%20Day%20per%20Unit%20Area%20by%20Season%20and%20Latitude_zpsvckdydpu.png) From: Applet Magic Insolation (http://www.applet-magic.com/insolation.htm) |
These flat Earthers should be a sci-fi writers, i saw a model explaining perihelion and aphelion
How is the sun visible for over 14 hours?
Not only is the area of the FE Southern HemiPlane (at 1,885,000,000 km2) much greater than the area of FE Northern HemiPlane (at 628,000,000 km2) the intensity of sunlight in the Southern summer is 6.9% than in the Northern Summer.
Hence during its summer the FE Southern HemiPlane receives about 3.2 times the energy the FE Northern HemiPlane receives during its summer.
Something does not seem to be right with this Solar model that can put out 3.2 times as much energy in the Southern Summer as in the Northern Summer - who "turns up the wick"? And if the sun stays at the same height how does this energy spread over THREE time the area?I'll leave you to draw you own conclusion as to the logic of all this!
From: Applet Magic Insolation (http://www.applet-magic.com/insolation.htm)
These flat Earthers should be a sci-fi writers, i saw a model explaining perihelion and aphelionI have a lot more on that. We have solar panels, so I have looked into (theoretically and measured myself) the variation of solar intensity over the day and there is no way that could fit with the sun at 5,000 km up. This would have the solar Watts/m2 falling far faster than observed.
was caused by "aether density" where the aether is less dense in the northern hemiplane and more
dense in the southern hemiplane, causing the motion of the Sun like that.