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Re: First Look at Ben Affleck's Batman
« Reply #340 on: January 27, 2016, 06:20:55 PM »
What kind of shit focus grouos do these studios get thst say "Man, I wish superheroes were dark and miserable like me."

Superman is not supposed to be dark and gritty.  He's supposed to be the light that shows us the way.
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« Reply #341 on: January 27, 2016, 06:28:05 PM »
Superman is not supposed to be dark and gritty.  He's supposed to be the light that shows us the way.
The two are not mutually exclusive.

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« Reply #342 on: January 27, 2016, 06:30:03 PM »
Superman is not supposed to be dark and gritty.  He's supposed to be the light that shows us the way.
The two are not mutually exclusive.

Maybe not but I don't want to see Superman brought down to my level, I want to see people elevated to his.  I want him to be better than us and we aspire to that.  Otherwise, what's the point of the character?
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« Reply #343 on: January 27, 2016, 07:30:22 PM »
Maybe not but I don't want to see Superman brought down to my level, I want to see people elevated to his.  I want him to be better than us and we aspire to that.  Otherwise, what's the point of the character?
Who says he's brought down to your level?

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« Reply #344 on: January 27, 2016, 07:52:53 PM »
Maybe not but I don't want to see Superman brought down to my level, I want to see people elevated to his.  I want him to be better than us and we aspire to that.  Otherwise, what's the point of the character?
Who says he's brought down to your level?

By having moments of doubt and making hard choices that make you suffer emotionally.
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« Reply #345 on: January 27, 2016, 10:28:23 PM »
Are you saying that Superman can't have these? That's extremely unrealistic. And you're being mad and angry over nothing.
Superman is not flawless.
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Re: First Look at Ben Affleck's Batman
« Reply #346 on: January 27, 2016, 10:42:33 PM »
Superman being perfect is literally the most boring thing ever tbh.

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« Reply #347 on: January 28, 2016, 01:03:41 AM »
For a character as physically powerful as Superman, it's a lot more interesting to give him dilemmas about what he will do rather than what he can do.  It would be nice, though, to have these dilemmas be uniquely suited to Superman.  I'm sure Rama Set will disagree, but the angst in MoS bugged me because of how generic it felt - the furrowed brow, the sullen brooding, the frowny face, etc.  I don't know, maybe some more dialogue might have helped it feel more purposeful, but internal struggles about hesitance to accept one's destiny or searching for a purpose in life have been done before, many times, and there are so many more interesting challenges that Superman could be facing instead.  It does look like BvS is going to be addressing some of those bigger issues, though, so hopefully that'll work out.

But making Wonder Woman dark and edgy as well is ridiculous.  Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, but three times...DC/WB really are just going to go dark with every single one of their superheroes and have them all be brooding and cynical.
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Re: First Look at Ben Affleck's Batman
« Reply #348 on: January 28, 2016, 06:28:21 AM »
Are you saying that Superman can't have these? That's extremely unrealistic. And you're being mad and angry over nothing.
Superman is not flawless.

No, just speaking my preference.  I'm not angry or mad, I just like less drama in my superman entertainment is all.
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« Reply #349 on: January 28, 2016, 06:49:15 AM »
I can't stand dark and edgy Superman.  They have a bunch of morons making these decisions with WB.  "Everybody loves dark and edgy Batman.  I bet dark and edgy Superman will be a hit too!"  The problem is that it's built into Batman's character that he's dark and edgy.  Being tormented and full of angst is perfectly in line with the way he's been characterized in the comics at all times except the hated 60s/early 70s incarnation that was influenced by the campy TV show.  Superman can be tormented, I have no problem with that; he did after all lose his entire race to a planetary disaster.  But that he manages to be optimistic and hopeful despite that background is part of what makes Superman Superman.  Superman should not be emo. 

Did we learn nothing from Guardians of the Galaxy, arguably the best comic book movie of the new millenium that doesn't star Christian Bale, and tonally light years away from the Dark Knight trilogy?  Dark and brooding is fine as long as it fits the character.  It does not fit Superman.

Honestly they're doing it better with their TV properties. 
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« Reply #350 on: January 28, 2016, 01:41:30 PM »
Superman can be tormented, I have no problem with that; he did after all lose his entire race to a planetary disaster.  But that he manages to be optimistic and hopeful despite that background is part of what makes Superman Superman.
Superman was exactly this in the first movie. He was still optimistic and heroic despite losing his entire race and the humans fearing him.

Why are you and LD assuming he will be so emo in this next one?

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Re: First Look at Ben Affleck's Batman
« Reply #351 on: January 28, 2016, 07:57:15 PM »
I'm sure Rama Set will disagree, but the angst in MoS bugged me because of how generic it felt - the furrowed brow, the sullen brooding, the frowny face, etc. 

All I disagree with is casting judgement before seeing the movie.  Previews necessarily leave out 95% of the content of the film and St. Crispin's Day speeches don't really play well in previews.

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« Reply #352 on: January 28, 2016, 08:37:49 PM »
Oh, so this is what Ben Affleck's Batman will look like.  Neat.

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« Reply #353 on: January 28, 2016, 11:14:08 PM »
Superman can be tormented, I have no problem with that; he did after all lose his entire race to a planetary disaster.  But that he manages to be optimistic and hopeful despite that background is part of what makes Superman Superman.
Superman was exactly this in the first movie. He was still optimistic and heroic despite losing his entire race and the humans fearing him.

Why are you and LD assuming he will be so emo in this next one?

Maybe it was the overall dark tone of the first one but I didn't get that impression from it at all. It was just too dark for a Superman movie. And judging from the previews this one looks even worse.
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« Reply #354 on: January 29, 2016, 02:04:43 AM »
Honestly they're doing it better with their TV properties.

I agree, but out of curiosity, which TV properties specifically you were thinking of?  Gotham, for example, is absolutely terrible and I will fight anyone who disagrees with me.

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« Reply #355 on: January 29, 2016, 02:49:03 AM »
Honestly they're doing it better with their TV properties.

I agree, but out of curiosity, which TV properties specifically you were thinking of?  Gotham, for example, is absolutely terrible and I will fight anyone who disagrees with me.

Well, specifically, I've been bingeing on Arrow on Netflix (I am up to ep 4 of the 4th season now; it's not available on Hulu so I will probably have to pay for the remaining episodes to get caught up  :() and I think it just might be the best show on TV right now, despite a (slight) dip in quality in Season 3.  Flash which I've been watching since it started is just pure goofy fun.  I am enjoying Supergirl and Gotham to a lesser degree... regarding your opinion of the latter, I don't think it's terrible, although I do absolutely hate the kid they have playing Bruce.  The guy playing Penguin, on the other hand, is brilliant.

Oh yeah, and Teen Titans Go...   ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #356 on: January 29, 2016, 03:21:13 AM »
I am enjoying Supergirl
I thought you were a guy.
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« Reply #357 on: January 29, 2016, 04:16:15 AM »
I am enjoying Supergirl
I thought you were a guy.

Fuck you.  I admit it's a bit chick-centric, but it's still doing the Superman mythos better than the movies.
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« Reply #358 on: January 29, 2016, 04:59:21 AM »
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« Reply #359 on: January 29, 2016, 07:12:16 AM »
Honestly they're doing it better with their TV properties.

I agree, but out of curiosity, which TV properties specifically you were thinking of?  Gotham, for example, is absolutely terrible and I will fight anyone who disagrees with me.

Well, specifically, I've been bingeing on Arrow on Netflix (I am up to ep 4 of the 4th season now; it's not available on Hulu so I will probably have to pay for the remaining episodes to get caught up  :() and I think it just might be the best show on TV right now, despite a (slight) dip in quality in Season 3.  Flash which I've been watching since it started is just pure goofy fun.  I am enjoying Supergirl and Gotham to a lesser degree... regarding your opinion of the latter, I don't think it's terrible, although I do absolutely hate the kid they have playing Bruce.  The guy playing Penguin, on the other hand, is brilliant.

Oh yeah, and Teen Titans Go...   ;D ;D ;D
Arrow is on Hulu.  Paid hulu, but hulu.
Though it might be on the cw's website too.
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