[Yaakov ben Avraham]

had better prove to the me that G-d DOESN'T exist.

That one is easy. He doesn't

I expect proof.

He was only listed as an MD, not a surgeon.

Have you got a reference for Rowbotham being listed as a MD?

Now you are saying he wasn't?

[markjo]

I am not required or able to prove a negative.

You are if you made that claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Proving_a_negative

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

I am not required or able to prove a negative.

You are if you made that claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Proving_a_negative

Then I expect the atheists here, who assert that no G-d exists, to prove that claim.

[Rama Set]

I am not required or able to prove a negative.

You are if you made that claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Proving_a_negative

Then I expect the atheists here, who assert that no G-d exists, to prove that claim.

That would be profoundly off-topic for this thread. Have taken 20 minutes to search your emails yet?

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

I am not required or able to prove a negative.

You are if you made that claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Proving_a_negative

Then I expect the atheists here, who assert that no G-d exists, to prove that claim.

That would be profoundly off-topic for this thread. Have taken 20 minutes to search your emails yet?

I don't mean in this thread. One of the other threads is fine. 20 minutes through a year's worth of e-mails in 4 different accounts? Are you high? I suspect I probably didn't even keep said e-mails, (at least I haven't found them in a preliminary search) as they were irrelevant to my purpose after proving my point in previous threads. Incidentally, I am still waiting for more than a newspaper article to prove this huckster was an MD. I am preparing to get a friend to write a letter for the newspaper about me being a doctor, and then I want you all to start taking my medical advice, and to pay me top dollar for it.

That should ease my financial problems considerably, I would think.

[Rama Set]

I am not required or able to prove a negative.

You are if you made that claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Proving_a_negative

Then I expect the atheists here, who assert that no G-d exists, to prove that claim.

That would be profoundly off-topic for this thread. Have taken 20 minutes to search your emails yet?

I don't mean in this thread. One of the other threads is fine.

Find me a thread where I claimed God did not exist and I will be happy to oblige.

20 minutes through a year's worth of e-mails in 4 different accounts? Are you high?

No, I just know how to use a search function.

I suspect I probably didn't even keep said e-mails, (at least I haven't found them in a preliminary search) as they were irrelevant to my purpose after proving my point in previous threads.

So you are just expecting people to take your word for it?

Incidentally, I am still waiting for more than a newspaper article to prove this huckster was an MD. I am preparing to get a friend to write a letter for the newspaper about me being a doctor, and then I want you all to start taking my medical advice, and to pay me top dollar for it.

That should ease my financial problems considerably, I would think.

I think there is a patent application that lists him as an MD. Maybe Thork or Jroa knows?

[markjo]

Incidentally, I am still waiting for more than a newspaper article to prove this huckster was an MD. I am preparing to get a friend to write a letter for the newspaper about me being a doctor, and then I want you all to start taking my medical advice, and to pay me top dollar for it.

That should ease my financial problems considerably, I would think.

I think there is a patent application that lists him as an MD. Maybe Thork or Jroa knows?

Well, the GMC does maintain a database of registered medical practitioners going back to about 1859 or so.  I would that that would be about as authoritative as it gets.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/register/LRMP.asp

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

Whether he is listed there or not, which I doubt, does not indicate that he held a degree. It indicates he called himself a doctor. And people believed him to the point that no one questioned it enough to get him arrested. It can occasionally be done today. Just recently, there was a woman in CA who passed herself off as an attorney for 10 yrs. Made partner in a firm, & had never been to law school! If she could do it it 2005-2015 w/ all the background checks we do, just think what that sheister could get away with!

[Andrew Judd]

Whether he is listed there or not, which I doubt, does not indicate that he held a degree. It indicates he called himself a doctor. And people believed him to the point that no one questioned it enough to get him arrested. It can occasionally be done today. Just recently, there was a woman in CA who passed herself off as an attorney for 10 yrs. Made partner in a firm, & had never been to law school! If she could do it it 2005-2015 w/ all the background checks we do, just think what that sheister could get away with!

Do you have a reference he said he was an MD or he was listed as an MD?  You made the claim.

[Pete Svarrior]

Well, the GMC does maintain a database of registered medical practitioners going back to about 1859 or so.  I would that that would be about as authoritative as it gets.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/register/LRMP.asp

Looks like they have a copy in the National Library of Wales. If this isn't settled by then, I might pay them a visit the next time I'm in Aberystwyth... which will probably be in a few months.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

By all means look, PIZAA, although it still won't settle much.

[Pete Svarrior]

By all means look, PIZAA, although it still won't settle much.

Of course it will. If he's on the register of medical practitioners, we will know that he was one. You might still choose to deny it, but we'll just know not to take you seriously.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

Whether he is listed there or not, which I doubt, does not indicate that he held a degree. It indicates he called himself a doctor. And people believed him to the point that no one questioned it enough to get him arrested. It can occasionally be done today. Just recently, there was a woman in CA who passed herself off as an attorney for 10 yrs. Made partner in a firm, & had never been to law school! If she could do it it 2005-2015 w/ all the background checks we do, just think what that sheister could get away with!

Do you have a reference he said he was an MD or he was listed as an MD?  You made the claim.

When a man permits a newspaper article to be written about him, or patents in his name, that include calling him an MD, that makes him essentially calling himself such. That should answer your question. For that matter, if its on his tombstone, one can assume he called himself that in life. His wife would certainly have been the one to authorise said tombstone, as his nearest living relative. So, there you are.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

By all means look, PIZAA, although it still won't settle much.

Of course it will. If he's on the register of medical practitioners, we will know that he was one. You might still choose to deny it, but we'll just know not to take you seriously.

It won't help at all. It will just prove that he called himself a doctor and was reputed as such, as MANY people were in the USA and the UK in those days, without actually having degrees. It happened a lot.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

I recommend any good history book on the history of the medical profession in English speaking countries. I can't think of any good titles at the moment, but there are several that would tell you this just as I am.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

And we still haven't resolved his supposed PhD, for that matter.

[Rama Set]

We can't wait for you to find your email.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

We can't wait for you to find your email.

Oh, no. I encourage you to look. I am just saying it doesn't prove he has a degree. In fact, stop at Edinburgh. What I did by e-mail, and probably dumped, you can easily do, and more effectively do, in person. Please, by all means. The fact that you are going to come up with no records at Edinburgh is fine with me. And the fact that being called a Doctor in the 1800s is no evidence of holding a degree is fine with me too. By all means visit Wales. Seems like a good idea to me. The fact that the guy is still a schmuck and a liar won't change. I've already told you what the historical conditions were for being called a doctor were in England at the time. Go back through the thread and look, as I am not minded to  repeat myself.

[Pete Svarrior]

The fact that the guy is still a schmuck and a liar won't change.

Right, so no matter what evidence might hypothetically be out there, you are not willing to consider it, because what you think is objective fact.

If that's your stance, then I think we should stop entertaining your cries and focus on the subject at hand without your further participation.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

Like I said. Feel free. I am particularly interested to hear what comes up @ Edinburgh. Now I'm still waiting for proof that G-d doesn't exist. Since I've been asked to prove a negative, I expect every atheist here to do likewise.