The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Theory => Topic started by: Parallax on March 28, 2018, 09:51:19 PM
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Okay, so all you round earthers, I have a question. Say for arguments sake the earth is a globe, and you have the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere. Take Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Now Britain and Canada are pointing upwards, right? Whereas the Aussies and kiwis are pointing down, since they are underneath the ball, correct? So using that logic, if you are in Britain and Canada, then since they are on top of the ball, the earth is the floor and the sky is the ceiling. On the flip side, since the other two are on the underside of the ball, that means the floor becomes the ceiling and the ceiling becomes the floor. In other words, the ceiling is the earth and the floor is the sky. So my question to you is simple. Since they are upside down and standing on the ceiling, why don't they fall into the sky?
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Okay, so all you round earthers, I have a question. Say for arguments sake the earth is a globe, and you have the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere. Take Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Now Britain and Canada are pointing upwards, right? Whereas the Aussies and kiwis are pointing down, since they are underneath the ball, correct? So using that logic, if you are in Britain and Canada, then since they are on top of the ball, the earth is the floor and the sky is the ceiling. On the flip side, since the other two are on the underside of the ball, that means the floor becomes the ceiling and the ceiling becomes the floor. In other words, the ceiling is the earth and the floor is the sky. So my question to you is simple. Since they are upside down and standing on the ceiling, why don't they fall into the sky?
Gravity?
I can also assure you that the ground is, in fact, the floor in the southern hemisphere.
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Are you asking me or telling me? And if the ground is the floor, then they are upside down. And instead of building upwards, they are in fact building downwards.
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Are you asking me or telling me? And if the ground is the floor, then they are upside down. And instead of building upwards, they are in fact building downwards.
There is no way you aren't trolling. Get out of here.
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I'm not. If they are underneath the ball, they are pointing downwards. So logically if they build something upwards it is, in fact, being built downwards. I don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend
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I'm not. If they are underneath the ball, they are pointing downwards. So logically if they build something upwards it is, in fact, being built downwards. I don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend
What's difficult to understand is how poorly you understand the concepts of "up" and "down."
They are relative to your current position.
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I'm not. If they are underneath the ball, they are pointing downwards. So logically if they build something upwards it is, in fact, being built downwards. I don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend
Dude. Come on!
The force of gravity is acting towards the centre of the globe earth. There is no "up" or "down" on a globe other than from your frame of reference.
You are standing on earth, the sky is above you so that is "up", you dig a hole beneath you so that is "down".
The notion that north is thought of as "up" and the south is "down" is just convention.
Someone in the southern hemisphere is held to the ground the same way you are.
If what you're saying were how things worked then only people in or near the North Pole would stay on, everyone else would be clinging on for dear life.
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Of course. What I am saying is that as they are underneath the ball, they are upside down. You still haven't answered my original question.
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tall buildings in australia are anchored to the ground by steel and cement blocks.
this design happens to work well in supporting canadian buildings at the base under compression
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Of course. What I am saying is that as they are underneath the ball, they are upside down. You still haven't answered my original question.
From your point of view they are upside down.
From their point of view YOU are upside down.
Because Up and Down are relative to your frame of reference. Like left and right.
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you can see what happens when marquees in australia lose some stakes
(https://s7.postimg.org/dzt2tmqjb/images2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/dzt2tmqjb/)
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Of course. What I am saying is that as they are underneath the ball, they are upside down. You still haven't answered my original question.
From your point of view they are upside down.
From their point of view YOU are upside down.
Because Up and Down are relative to your frame of reference. Like left and right.
Well nobody is upside down I'm just using it as an example of how absurd the ball earth claim is. And my original question still stands.
you can see what happens when marquees in australia lose some stakes
(https://s7.postimg.org/dzt2tmqjb/images2.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/dzt2tmqjb/)
That... Is basically what a ball earth would involve.
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This one can't be anything other than a troll. There's no way.
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This one can't be anything other than a troll. There's no way.
Agreed. I think I'm done here.
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Not really trolling, it's a sincere question. And I'm not the first to pose it, there's lots of flat earth scholars that have questioned it too. That pic is routinely used in YouTube bids to demonstrate the point, for example.
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why does an apple fall?
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Not really trolling, it's a sincere question. And I'm not the first to pose it, there's lots of flat earth scholars that have questioned it too. That pic is routinely used in YouTube bids to demonstrate the point, for example.
All it demonstrates is a lack of understanding of how frame of reference and gravity work on a sphere such as the Earth. If you are sincerely asking the question, visit a physics forum or similar, and see if they will go in depth with you. Or take some physics classes at your local college. Both will give you a far better and more in depth approach to this information.
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Let's get this over with.
Indeed, relative to you, they are upside down, their buildings go down, their planes fly under them, their subways ride over them. However, from their perspective, you are upside down. Their 'down' is just as good as your 'down', but you're not falling 'down' because their 'down' is your 'up'. Gravity isn't down in one direction, it holds everything towards the center of mass, e.g. the center of the earth. Since the earth is very massive, the force of gravity is very strong, so we're pulled pretty hard. 9.8m/s/s which is pretty fast. until you can reach escape velocity (11.2km/s), no one's falling anywhere.
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Not really trolling, it's a sincere question. And I'm not the first to pose it, there's lots of flat earth scholars that have questioned it too.
I'd suggest that if they are questioning it then calling them "scholars" is kind, to say the least.
As I've explained, "Up" and "Down" are like "Left" and "Right", they are relative to your frame of reference.
To you, Australians might seem upside down, but to them YOU seem upside down.
For both of you "down" is "towards the centre of the earth and that is what the force of gravity is pulling you towards.
That's what keeps you and the Sydney Opera House on the ground.
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Not really trolling, it's a sincere question. And I'm not the first to pose it, there's lots of flat earth scholars that have questioned it too.
I'd suggest that if they are questioning it then calling them "scholars" is kind, to say the least.
As I've explained, "Up" and "Down" are like "Left" and "Right", they are relative to your frame of reference.
To you, Australians might seem upside down, but to them YOU seem upside down.
For both of you "down" is "towards the centre of the earth and that is what the force of gravity is pulling you towards.
That's what keeps you and the Sydney Opera House on the ground.
I get what you are saying about up and down. However, I find it difficult to believe that we are kept on a ball by gravity. Don't get me wrong, I believe in gravity (even Dr Rowbotham did), however there's no evidence to suggest that gravity pulls the planet into a ball. Gravity therefore would have to come from the centre to pull the edges, but instead it's all across the planet, therefore cannot possibly pull the earth into a ball. If it did, the spirit level d marble took on the plane would have moved, yet move it did not.
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I'm not. If they are underneath the ball, they are pointing downwards. So logically if they build something upwards it is, in fact, being built downwards. I don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend.
You're assuming a viewpoint from somewhere off the earth. Looking at the earth from, for example, the moon, your observations and comments are quite correct, to a point. But to the earthlings, no matter where they are on the earth, ground is down and sky is up. That pesky thing (I deign to call it a force, as I'm not yet convinced that gravity can be proved to be a force) known as gravity takes care of the up versus down problem that you perceive.
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Not really trolling, it's a sincere question. And I'm not the first to pose it, there's lots of flat earth scholars that have questioned it too. That pic is routinely used in YouTube bids to demonstrate the point, for example.
"flat earth scholars" - Isn't that an oxymoron?
Incidentally, with regard to this remark - "however there's no evidence to suggest that gravity pulls the planet into a ball", there is much evidence that "gravity pulls the planet into a ball". Read up on your cosmology, with special attention to nebula and planet formation. Google will find lots of information on the subject for you. You don't even have to leave your easy chair.
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However, I find it difficult to believe that we are kept on a ball by gravity.
OK. Well luckily, it isn't a matter of belief. It's something we can test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym6nlwvQZnE
Gravity is, relatively speaking, a weak force. If you think about it, every time you use a magnet to lift a paperclip a small magnet is overcoming the gravity of the entire planet pulling down on it.
BUT, the earth is really, really big. And that's what generates enough force to stop us falling off.
And as Scroogie says, there is loads of evidence that gravity pulls things into a ball. I'll let you do your own research about that.
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Of course. What I am saying is that as they are underneath the ball, they are upside down.
Only if you align yourself, head at North, feet at South, with the vertical axis of the Earth, and view the situation from a place off the Earth, out in space.
If you align yourself differently, your definitions of upside down and right way up become different.
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however there's no evidence to suggest that gravity pulls the planet into a ball.
Really? You don't think that a force, pulling matter toward it, will eventually cause that mass to broadly form into a sphere?
Gravity therefore would have to come from the centre to pull the edges, but instead it's all across the planet, therefore cannot possibly pull the earth into a ball.
Which 'edges'?
If it did, the spirit level d marble took on the plane would have moved, yet move it did not.
A spirit level naturally finds the line which is perpendicular to the line of gravitational force. This will vary during his flight, and his spirit level will naturally adjust to his location.
Are you suggesting the spirit level at his destination should have read differently from that at his starting point?
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however there's no evidence to suggest that gravity pulls the planet into a ball.
Really? You don't think that a force, pulling matter toward it, will eventually cause that mass to broadly form into a sphere?
Gravity therefore would have to come from the centre to pull the edges, but instead it's all across the planet, therefore cannot possibly pull the earth into a ball.
Which 'edges'?
If it did, the spirit level d marble took on the plane would have moved, yet move it did not.
A spirit level naturally finds the line which is perpendicular to the line of gravitational force. This will vary during his flight, and his spirit level will naturally adjust to his location.
Are you suggesting the spirit level at his destination should have read differently from that at his starting point?
No, I'm saying that if the earth was round, as the plane was flying it should have dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, thereby making the spirit level move. It doesn't, it stays motionless, thereby proving
1) the plane did not dip due to the lack of a curvature
2) the earth is flat, because it can't move on a flat level surface
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I'm saying that if the earth was round, as the plane was flying it should have dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, thereby making the spirit level move. It doesn't, it stays motionless, thereby proving
How would you expect the spirit level to move, thus indicating your 'dip'? What result did you expect?
1) the plane did not dip due to the lack of a curvature
2) the earth is flat, because it can't move on a flat level surface
What is 'it'? The spirit level? The plane?
The spirit level aligns itself perpendicular to a radial line drawn between centre of Earth and surface.
Again, if you had a viewpoint outwith the Earth's surface, and you looked at the flight from a position out in space, you would see an angular difference between start and end levels. But you're not. You, and the observer in the plane, looking at the spirit level, have a start point, an end point, and an infinite number of points inbetween, at all of which the spirit level naturally aligns itself.
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
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I'm not. If they are underneath the ball, they are pointing downwards. So logically if they build something upwards it is, in fact, being built downwards. I don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend
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It's difficult to take anything a Flattard says seriously.
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
Why? Where is your evidence this should happen? How much should it dip? How often? Was the spirit level of sufficient quality to show the level of 'dip' your math predicts it should have? Simply claiming the spirit level should have moved but didn't is as worthless as Rowbotham's work. It proves nothing, and gives nothing for other's to test and verify.
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
Why? Where is your evidence this should happen? How much should it dip? How often? Was the spirit level of sufficient quality to show the level of 'dip' your math predicts it should have? Simply claiming the spirit level should have moved but didn't is as worthless as Rowbotham's work. It proves nothing, and gives nothing for other's to test and verify.
This shouldn't be this hard to figure out.
They do 'dip', but since the earth 'dips' with them, and they 'dip' very slowly (the earth is very, very, big.) it's almost like no one dipped at all.
Not proof of flat earth, proof of a lack of understanding and refusal to change that. You're on the internet! You have access to the vast majority of all human knowledge! You should know this! Also, gravity pulls toward earth. If the plane flies smoothly, and parallel to the surface, the spirit level will not move.
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I'm not. If they are underneath the ball, they are pointing downwards. So logically if they build something upwards it is, in fact, being built downwards. I don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend
Its true, in Australia they all walk about standing on there heads, consequently shoe sales in Australia are very poor, but they get through a lot of hats.
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I'm not. If they are underneath the ball, they are pointing downwards. So logically if they build something upwards it is, in fact, being built downwards. I don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend
Its true, in Australia they all walk about standing on there heads, consequently shoe sales in Australia are very poor, but they get through a lot of hats.
Oh lord... XD
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I'm not. If they are underneath the ball, they are pointing downwards. So logically if they build something upwards it is, in fact, being built downwards. I don't know why this is so difficult to comprehend
Its true, in Australia they all walk about standing on their heads, consequently shoe sales in Australia are very poor, but they get through a lot of hats.
It's a somewhat clever joke, albeit done before.
'haha aussies are upside down how ridiculous'
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
My goodness you FEers are ignorant. Flying at one G would mean you are following the curve of Earth's gravitational field. This would cause the level to remain centered. More importantly, the motion of a plane in flight and the lack of knowledge of what the pilot is doing with the controls render this experiment completely useless. And this is EXACTLY why we need experts. Backyard science is fun, it can be educational, but it should never be mistaken for real science. This whole experiment only proves that the experimenter had no idea what they were doing. A spirit level??? Not exactly the most sensitive device. Let me guess, the person that supposedly did this probably rested the level on the armrest. The vibrations alone would have added far too much noise to any actual data.
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
An "angle" with respect to .... what?
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
My goodness you FEers are ignorant. Flying at one G would mean you are following the curve of Earth's gravitational field. This would cause the level to remain centered. More importantly, the motion of a plane in flight and the lack of knowledge of what the pilot is doing with the controls render this experiment completely useless. And this is EXACTLY why we need experts. Backyard science is fun, it can be educational, but it should never be mistaken for real science. This whole experiment only proves that the experimenter had no idea what they were doing. A spirit level??? Not exactly the most sensitive device. Let me guess, the person that supposedly did this probably rested the level on the armrest. The vibrations alone would have added far too much noise to any actual data.
YouTube it, he doesn't rest it on the armrest at all.
If the earth is round, then the pilot would have to dip the plane to account for the earths curvature, and as a result the spirit level would have moved. It didn't, because the plane didn't. And if gravity keeps the plane curving instead, then why is it not strong enough to pull the plane down to earth? It's strong enough to pull the planet into a ball, but powerless to stop a plane flying? Please...
If the earth was round, and the pilot didn't dip the plane to account for the curvature, then the plane would fly in a straight line and would fly out of the sky into space.
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
My goodness you FEers are ignorant. Flying at one G would mean you are following the curve of Earth's gravitational field. This would cause the level to remain centered. More importantly, the motion of a plane in flight and the lack of knowledge of what the pilot is doing with the controls render this experiment completely useless. And this is EXACTLY why we need experts. Backyard science is fun, it can be educational, but it should never be mistaken for real science. This whole experiment only proves that the experimenter had no idea what they were doing. A spirit level??? Not exactly the most sensitive device. Let me guess, the person that supposedly did this probably rested the level on the armrest. The vibrations alone would have added far too much noise to any actual data.
YouTube it, he doesn't rest it on the armrest at all.
If the earth is round, then the pilot would have to dip the plane to account for the earths curvature, and as a result the spirit level would have moved. It didn't, because the plane didn't. And if gravity keeps the plane curving instead, then why is it not strong enough to pull the plane down to earth? It's strong enough to pull the planet into a ball, but powerless to stop a plane flying? Please...
If the earth was round, and the pilot didn't dip the plane to account for the curvature, then the plane would fly in a straight line and would fly out of the sky into space.
All I see is rationalization. At least it's clear why you like Rowbotham so much. Also, after having checked out this video, it's clear as day that the bubble moves around. I don't know why you think it needs to move outside of the 'zone' for this. Oh wait, you just think it should without any math to back up your hypothesis. Gimme an hour or two, let's get some math in here.
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
My goodness you FEers are ignorant. Flying at one G would mean you are following the curve of Earth's gravitational field. This would cause the level to remain centered. More importantly, the motion of a plane in flight and the lack of knowledge of what the pilot is doing with the controls render this experiment completely useless. And this is EXACTLY why we need experts. Backyard science is fun, it can be educational, but it should never be mistaken for real science. This whole experiment only proves that the experimenter had no idea what they were doing. A spirit level??? Not exactly the most sensitive device. Let me guess, the person that supposedly did this probably rested the level on the armrest. The vibrations alone would have added far too much noise to any actual data.
YouTube it, he doesn't rest it on the armrest at all.
If the earth is round, then the pilot would have to dip the plane to account for the earths curvature, and as a result the spirit level would have moved. It didn't, because the plane didn't. And if gravity keeps the plane curving instead, then why is it not strong enough to pull the plane down to earth? It's strong enough to pull the planet into a ball, but powerless to stop a plane flying? Please...
If the earth was round, and the pilot didn't dip the plane to account for the curvature, then the plane would fly in a straight line and would fly out of the sky into space.
It is strong enough to pull it down to the earth. Thats why you need a plane to fly -- they are specifically designed to generate enough lift to avoid being pulled down to earth. Have you ever heard of the Wright brothers?
Seriously, can we just move on from this guy?
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
My goodness you FEers are ignorant. Flying at one G would mean you are following the curve of Earth's gravitational field. This would cause the level to remain centered. More importantly, the motion of a plane in flight and the lack of knowledge of what the pilot is doing with the controls render this experiment completely useless. And this is EXACTLY why we need experts. Backyard science is fun, it can be educational, but it should never be mistaken for real science. This whole experiment only proves that the experimenter had no idea what they were doing. A spirit level??? Not exactly the most sensitive device. Let me guess, the person that supposedly did this probably rested the level on the armrest. The vibrations alone would have added far too much noise to any actual data.
YouTube it, he doesn't rest it on the armrest at all.
If the earth is round, then the pilot would have to dip the plane to account for the earths curvature, and as a result the spirit level would have moved. It didn't, because the plane didn't. And if gravity keeps the plane curving instead, then why is it not strong enough to pull the plane down to earth? It's strong enough to pull the planet into a ball, but powerless to stop a plane flying? Please...
If the earth was round, and the pilot didn't dip the plane to account for the curvature, then the plane would fly in a straight line and would fly out of the sky into space.
All I see is rationalization. At least it's clear why you like Rowbotham so much. Also, after having checked out this video, it's clear as day that the bubble moves around. I don't know why you think it needs to move outside of the 'zone' for this. Oh wait, you just think it should without any math to back up your hypothesis. Gimme an hour or two, let's get some math in here.
I like Dr Rowbothams work because he was what started the flat earth revolution, and his experiments were conclusively sound.
As for the video, the bubble doesn't move. It doesn't move because the earth is flat.
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Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
Incorrect. The plane would have to have been flown at an angle to account for the curvature of the earth. If it did that, then the spirit level would have moved, but it did not, hence proving that the earth is flat.
My goodness you FEers are ignorant. Flying at one G would mean you are following the curve of Earth's gravitational field. This would cause the level to remain centered. More importantly, the motion of a plane in flight and the lack of knowledge of what the pilot is doing with the controls render this experiment completely useless. And this is EXACTLY why we need experts. Backyard science is fun, it can be educational, but it should never be mistaken for real science. This whole experiment only proves that the experimenter had no idea what they were doing. A spirit level??? Not exactly the most sensitive device. Let me guess, the person that supposedly did this probably rested the level on the armrest. The vibrations alone would have added far too much noise to any actual data.
YouTube it, he doesn't rest it on the armrest at all.
If the earth is round, then the pilot would have to dip the plane to account for the earths curvature, and as a result the spirit level would have moved. It didn't, because the plane didn't. And if gravity keeps the plane curving instead, then why is it not strong enough to pull the plane down to earth? It's strong enough to pull the planet into a ball, but powerless to stop a plane flying? Please...
If the earth was round, and the pilot didn't dip the plane to account for the curvature, then the plane would fly in a straight line and would fly out of the sky into space.
All I see is rationalization. At least it's clear why you like Rowbotham so much. Also, after having checked out this video, it's clear as day that the bubble moves around. I don't know why you think it needs to move outside of the 'zone' for this. Oh wait, you just think it should without any math to back up your hypothesis. Gimme an hour or two, let's get some math in here.
I like Dr Rowbothams work because he was what started the flat earth revolution, and his experiments were conclusively sound.
As for the video, the bubble doesn't move. It doesn't move because the earth is flat.
What was Dr. Rowbotham's doctorate in, anyway?
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Let's see here.
Radius of plane circle ~= 3966 miles
Circumference ~= 24919 miles
Cruising speed ~= 500 mph
Distance of 0.5° ~= 44 miles
Without knowing more about his spirit level, it's impossible to know how accurate it is. But some research suggests it's not unreasonable to assume 2mm of movement should correlate to about 0.5° 'difference' whose distance is shown here. So, how much should we expect the spirit level to move, assuming this accuracy? Not that much I would think. It takes about 5 minutes of flight time to cover the difference in curvature that the spirit level can detect. Even assuming the plane makes an adjustment only every 5 minutes (highly unlikely even assuming they specifically do this) the spirit level will only barely move, an amount easily accounted for within the video. Sorry, unless you can show where I'm wrong, or present something better, I'm gonna have to call this 'spirit level shows the Earth is flat' idea busted.
EDIT: For the record, having just watched the video, the bubble DOES move, it simply doesn't get out of it's little 'housing' area between the two black lines. Watch it though, it moves from touching one line, to touching the other over the course of the video. So your claim 'it doesn't move' is ALSO complete and utter bollocks.
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I see Parallax has descended into the "I don't understand something, therefore it can't be true" line of reasoning.
Which isn't a very sound line of reasoning.
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YouTube it, he doesn't rest it on the armrest at all.
If the earth is round, then the pilot would have to dip the plane to account for the earths curvature, and as a result the spirit level would have moved. It didn't, because the plane didn't. And if gravity keeps the plane curving instead, then why is it not strong enough to pull the plane down to earth? It's strong enough to pull the planet into a ball, but powerless to stop a plane flying? Please...
If the earth was round, and the pilot didn't dip the plane to account for the curvature, then the plane would fly in a straight line and would fly out of the sky into space.
The armrest issue was only one minor thing. And planes do curve in flight. I explained how it works. I also explained several other issues with this bogus experiment, and you've conveniently ignored them. Gravity will definitely pull a plane (and just about everything else) to the ground. Gravity is a very weak force and it is not difficult to overcome it. This is no different on a FE, btw. The Earth was pulled into a ball during its development. I am continually shocked by how little you seem to understand about basic processes. I guess that is what happens when you get all your info from a tiny source of weirdos with fake beliefs.
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Okay, so all you round earthers, I have a question. Say for arguments sake the earth is a globe, and you have the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere. Take Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Now Britain and Canada are pointing upwards, right? Whereas the Aussies and kiwis are pointing down, since they are underneath the ball, correct? So using that logic, if you are in Britain and Canada, then since they are on top of the ball, the earth is the floor and the sky is the ceiling. On the flip side, since the other two are on the underside of the ball, that means the floor becomes the ceiling and the ceiling becomes the floor. In other words, the ceiling is the earth and the floor is the sky. So my question to you is simple. Since they are upside down and standing on the ceiling, why don't they fall into the sky?
First thing to know is: what defines "down".
Where it is, and why there?
If Canadians and Brits are "up", then Aussies and Kiwis are "down".
And if Aussies and Kiwis are "up", then Canadians and Brits are "down".
In reality, Earth core is "down", and atmosphere is "up" (and Space above it) all around the Earth.
If you stand on North pole, Polaris is "up", and Sigma Octantis is "down", through the Earth.
If you stand at South pole, Sigma octantis is "up" and Polaris is "down" through the Earth.
And if you stand at Equator (looking west) Polaris is right and Sigma Octantis left.
The force that causes weight is pulling towards the center of the Earth, not towards some arbitrary direction above South pole.
"Down" is where we put our feet to counter our weight.
"Up" is, simply, opposite of that.
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Well Round Earthers, all I can say is this;
Give it up, you'll never get anywhere debating with a guy who thinks like this:
"If the earth is round, then the pilot would have to dip the plane to account for the earths curvature, and as a result the spirit level would have moved. It didn't, because the plane didn't. And if gravity keeps the plane curving instead, then why is it not strong enough to pull the plane down to earth? It's strong enough to pull the planet into a ball, but powerless to stop a plane flying? Please...
If the earth was round, and the pilot didn't dip the plane to account for the curvature, then the plane would fly in a straight line and would fly out of the sky into space."
There's absolutely no way that I can think of to reach a person whose mind works (or rather fails to work) like that.
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Let's see here.
Radius of plane circle ~= 3966 miles
Circumference ~= 24919 miles
Cruising speed ~= 500 mph
Distance of 0.5° ~= 44 miles
Without knowing more about his spirit level, it's impossible to know how accurate it is. But some research suggests it's not unreasonable to assume 2mm of movement should correlate to about 0.5° 'difference' whose distance is shown here. So, how much should we expect the spirit level to move, assuming this accuracy? Not that much I would think. It takes about 5 minutes of flight time to cover the difference in curvature that the spirit level can detect. Even assuming the plane makes an adjustment only every 5 minutes (highly unlikely even assuming they specifically do this) the spirit level will only barely move, an amount easily accounted for within the video. Sorry, unless you can show where I'm wrong, or present something better, I'm gonna have to call this 'spirit level shows the Earth is flat' idea busted.
EDIT: For the record, having just watched the video, the bubble DOES move, it simply doesn't get out of it's little 'housing' area between the two black lines. Watch it though, it moves from touching one line, to touching the other over the course of the video. So your claim 'it doesn't move' is ALSO complete and utter bollocks.
When the plane moves, its going to move with the turbulence, right? Hence why the spirit level moves the minutist bit. However, if the earth was flat then the bubble would move to the far end when the pilot dips to account for the earths curvature. But it doesn't, because no dip occurs. Once again, if the earth was round and the pilot didn't account for the curvature, the plane would fly in a straight line and out of the sky into space, but this doesn't happen, therefore proving earth is not a globe.
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When the plane moves, its going to move with the turbulence, right? Hence why the spirit level moves the minutist bit. However, if the earth was flat then the bubble would move to the far end when the pilot dips to account for the earths curvature. But it doesn't, because no dip occurs. Once again, if the earth was round and the pilot didn't account for the curvature, the plane would fly in a straight line and out of the sky into space, but this doesn't happen, therefore proving earth is not a globe.
OMG, you can't be serious. No, the bubble would NOT move to the far end EVEN if what you're trying to claim was true. It would move a tiny bit off center. And I do mean a tiny bit. Have you ever used a level before??? A slight tilt does not cause the bubble to go to the far end thereby proving you have no clue what you're talking about.
Here - https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/ (https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/)
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When the plane moves, its going to move with the turbulence, right? Hence why the spirit level moves the minutist bit. However, if the earth was flat then the bubble would move to the far end when the pilot dips to account for the earths curvature. But it doesn't, because no dip occurs. Once again, if the earth was round and the pilot didn't account for the curvature, the plane would fly in a straight line and out of the sky into space, but this doesn't happen, therefore proving earth is not a globe.
OMG, you can't be serious. No, the bubble would NOT move to the far end EVEN if what you're trying to claim was true. It would move a tiny bit off center. And I do mean a tiny bit. Have you ever used a level before??? A slight tilt does not cause the bubble to go to the far end thereby proving you have no clue what you're talking about.
Here - https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/ (https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/)
Of course I have used a spirit level before. If the plane dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, yes, the bubble would move to the far end because the dip of the plane would be enough to make it so.
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However, if the earth was flat then the bubble would move to the far end when the pilot dips to account for the earths curvature. But it doesn't, because no dip occurs.
IF the Earth was flat, why would the plane be dipping to account for curvature?
Once again, if the earth was round and the pilot didn't account for the curvature, the plane would fly in a straight line and out of the sky into space, but this doesn't happen, therefore proving earth is not a globe.
Then .... why don't space agencies save all that money they spent on honkin' big rockets, and just send their satellites up in a cheap 'n' cheerful Cessna with the stick pulled all the way back?
You do realise that all aeroplanes have a height ceiling, don't you, and that if they go above this, they fall back when the engines stop working, or the wings stop providing lift, or both?
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When the plane moves, its going to move with the turbulence, right? Hence why the spirit level moves the minutist bit. However, if the earth was flat then the bubble would move to the far end when the pilot dips to account for the earths curvature. But it doesn't, because no dip occurs. Once again, if the earth was round and the pilot didn't account for the curvature, the plane would fly in a straight line and out of the sky into space, but this doesn't happen, therefore proving earth is not a globe.
OMG, you can't be serious. No, the bubble would NOT move to the far end EVEN if what you're trying to claim was true. It would move a tiny bit off center. And I do mean a tiny bit. Have you ever used a level before??? A slight tilt does not cause the bubble to go to the far end thereby proving you have no clue what you're talking about.
Here - https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/ (https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/)
Of course I have used a spirit level before. If the plane dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, yes, the bubble would move to the far end because the dip of the plane would be enough to make it so.
Just so we are both 100% clear, I think you're just trolling. No one could possibly be this ignorant. I mean honestly, do you think the Earth is the size of a beach ball?
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When the plane moves, its going to move with the turbulence, right? Hence why the spirit level moves the minutist bit. However, if the earth was flat then the bubble would move to the far end when the pilot dips to account for the earths curvature. But it doesn't, because no dip occurs. Once again, if the earth was round and the pilot didn't account for the curvature, the plane would fly in a straight line and out of the sky into space, but this doesn't happen, therefore proving earth is not a globe.
OMG, you can't be serious. No, the bubble would NOT move to the far end EVEN if what you're trying to claim was true. It would move a tiny bit off center. And I do mean a tiny bit. Have you ever used a level before??? A slight tilt does not cause the bubble to go to the far end thereby proving you have no clue what you're talking about.
Here - https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/ (https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/)
Of course I have used a spirit level before. If the plane dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, yes, the bubble would move to the far end because the dip of the plane would be enough to make it so.
Just so we are both 100% clear, I think you're just trolling. No one could possibly be this ignorant. I mean honestly, do you think the Earth is the size of a beach ball?
No I think its flat.
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When the plane moves, its going to move with the turbulence, right? Hence why the spirit level moves the minutist bit. However, if the earth was flat then the bubble would move to the far end when the pilot dips to account for the earths curvature. But it doesn't, because no dip occurs. Once again, if the earth was round and the pilot didn't account for the curvature, the plane would fly in a straight line and out of the sky into space, but this doesn't happen, therefore proving earth is not a globe.
OMG, you can't be serious. No, the bubble would NOT move to the far end EVEN if what you're trying to claim was true. It would move a tiny bit off center. And I do mean a tiny bit. Have you ever used a level before??? A slight tilt does not cause the bubble to go to the far end thereby proving you have no clue what you're talking about.
Here - https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/ (https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/)
Of course I have used a spirit level before. If the plane dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, yes, the bubble would move to the far end because the dip of the plane would be enough to make it so.
I just showed you why what you think is wrong based on the most likely sensitivity of the level in this video. You ignored it to once again restate your claim without evidence. Either you're a troll or someone who is so profoundly ignorant they cannot conceive of being wrong. Either way this is clearly a waste of time. Good day.
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When the plane moves, its going to move with the turbulence, right? Hence why the spirit level moves the minutist bit. However, if the earth was flat then the bubble would move to the far end when the pilot dips to account for the earths curvature. But it doesn't, because no dip occurs. Once again, if the earth was round and the pilot didn't account for the curvature, the plane would fly in a straight line and out of the sky into space, but this doesn't happen, therefore proving earth is not a globe.
OMG, you can't be serious. No, the bubble would NOT move to the far end EVEN if what you're trying to claim was true. It would move a tiny bit off center. And I do mean a tiny bit. Have you ever used a level before??? A slight tilt does not cause the bubble to go to the far end thereby proving you have no clue what you're talking about.
Here - https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/ (https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/)
Of course I have used a spirit level before. If the plane dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, yes, the bubble would move to the far end because the dip of the plane would be enough to make it so.
I just showed you why what you think is wrong based on the most likely sensitivity of the level in this video. You ignored it to once again restate your claim without evidence. Either you're a troll or someone who is so profoundly ignorant they cannot conceive of being wrong. Either way this is clearly a waste of time. Good day.
I actually haven't. I said it moved slightly because planes can be affected by turbulence, but an actual dip, that would have to happen if the earth was round to account for the curvature, would have moved the bubble since spirit levels are pretty sensitive. But it didn't, and no link to a random post by 'somebody' is going to disprove it.
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If the plane dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, yes, the bubble would move to the far end because the dip of the plane would be enough to make it so.
So .... at the end of the journey the bubble would ... remain at the far end?
And if the person performed the reverse journey, it would go back to the centre when they arrived at the original starting point?
So you're saying that the starting point of the journey was at a level point, and the end point wasn't? Does this apply to all plane journeys, or only those taken by FEers?
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If the plane dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, yes, the bubble would move to the far end because the dip of the plane would be enough to make it so.
So .... at the end of the journey the bubble would ... remain at the far end?
And if the person performed the reverse journey, it would go back to the centre when they arrived at the original starting point?
So you're saying that the starting point of the journey was at a level point, and the end point wasn't? Does this apply to all plane journeys, or only those taken by FEers?
No because if the earth was round and the pilot accounted for the curvature, then the bubble would level up when the plane isn't dipping.
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If the plane dipped to account for the curvature of the earth, yes, the bubble would move to the far end because the dip of the plane would be enough to make it so.
So .... at the end of the journey the bubble would ... remain at the far end?
And if the person performed the reverse journey, it would go back to the centre when they arrived at the original starting point?
So you're saying that the starting point of the journey was at a level point, and the end point wasn't? Does this apply to all plane journeys, or only those taken by FEers?
No because if the earth was round and the pilot accounted for the curvature, then the bubble would level up when the plane isn't dipping.
You need to understand that the spirit level is parallel to the ground when showing level, wherever it is. What angle does the plane have to dip to follow the round earth?
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When the plane moves, its going to move with the turbulence, right? Hence why the spirit level moves the minutist bit. However, if the earth was flat then the bubble would move to the far end when the pilot dips to account for the earths curvature. But it doesn't, because no dip occurs. Once again, if the earth was round and the pilot didn't account for the curvature, the plane would fly in a straight line and out of the sky into space, but this doesn't happen, therefore proving earth is not a globe.
Sorry to disappoint you, airplane leans on air and keeps altitude by air lift on wings.
Higher it goes the air is thinner and the lift on wings is weaker at the same speed.
That is why airplane needs maneuvering action to increase altitude.
If it goes lower, the air is denser and lift on wings is stronger, pushing it up.
That is how airplane keeps the altitude.
Not by straight line, but by balance in air density (pressure).
And that is why design itself doesn't allow airplane to fly off into Space.
The layer with constant density is not flat, it follows the Earth's surface.
Altimeter works like barometer, with scale calibrated directly in altitudes.
So, altimeter follows the layer with constant air pressure, not the flat line.
Another instrument used for decades in airplanes is Artificial Horizon.
It follows vertical lines, and vertical lines tilt with distances.
Two verticals apart from each other are both pointing towards the center of Earth, so they are not parallel.
Two verticals 1852 meters apart are tilting from each other for one arc minute.
That was why the nautical mile was defined to be 1852 meters in the first place.
It was defined to make navigator's job easier.
One degree is exactly 60 nautical miles (69 statute miles, 111.12 km).
If, for example, navigator measures travelled distance of 3 degrees 12 minutes, it will be 3*60+12 = 192 nautical miles away from, say, port they left.
As airplane travels, "down" is along new, current vertical, not along old vertical at "x" miles back.
Spirit level will follow the tilt as well, because weight of the liquid inside will pull towards new "down".
As airplane travels, artificial horizon self-corrects to new verticals as well, and pilot doesn't calculate "dip".
He just has to fly perpendicular to current vertical, which is along new horizontal, not the old one.
This is how artificial horizon self-corrects, and it is faster than the speed at which the airplane reaches new verticals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTXTCqMHyhg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0n-UDrB3Ys
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Haha you are definitely a troll parallax but that's fine, this forum caters for all :-) to anyone reading this thread who is thinking the OP warrants debate just remind yourselves WHY our maps/globes are depicted the way they are.
The British empire created them, that's what GMT is: Grenwich Mean Time, hence why the UK is dead centre and time set to 0, the USA to the left is minus and OZ to the right is plus hours.
In the same way the British explorers (and other Europeans) were the ones responsible for the maps we use hence why they put Europe "on top".
I can't believe anyone can truly believe that this makes a top and bottom of the globe a reality. Its troll fodder, but amusingly so.....
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If you think a spirit level will indicate when the aircrafts attitude changes, you need to reconsider. How does Bob Hoover do his famous barrel roll with a constant acceleration vector keeping his tea almost perfectly level? He even pours a cup of tea while rolling the aircraft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9pvG_ZSnCc
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If you think a spirit level will indicate when the aircrafts attitude changes, you need to reconsider. How does Bob Hoover do his famous barrel roll with a constant acceleration vector keeping his tea almost perfectly level? He even pours a cup of tea while rolling the aircraft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9pvG_ZSnCc
This could be used to answer a common FE issue where the statement defines it "impossible that earth is spinning and hurtling through space at high speeds and yet we don't feel it". looks like that cup of tea isn't "experiencing" much feedback from its high speed manoeuvering either.......
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Another, albeit less dramatic example of why a level on a plane doesn't have anything to do with curvature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtGgr0CWwp4
I also strongly recommend reading the Metabunk thread on this topic, that StinkyOne already linked to: https://www.metabunk.org/explained-why-a-spirit-level-on-a-plane-does-not-show-curvature-corrections.t8741/
OP just ignored it, so it may have escaped attention, but it's really quite thorough.
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Oh... my... goodness! I was gonna bring up the whole Chinese Spacelab article as a question, but the sheer lunacy of the FE mindset is simply unbearable.
Oh, fluffy poop... I'll do it anyways:
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/04/01/asia/tiangong-1-china-space-lab-falls-intl/index.html
If the earth is flat, how does a satellite travel AROUND the earth? What would cause it to crash back to earth?
Of course there are also those who say man has never been to the moon and that all NASA info/pictures are made up... but to them, I say, then was the Challenger explosion faked? Or maybe it was a government conspiracy, like JFK and 9/11? If the earth is flat, why "go up"? There is nothing "up there". Just a bunch of fireflies stuck up in that bluish black thing "up there"!
I await some response and hope it doesn't make me laugh so hard I pass out from a lack of oxygen... :-D