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Your claims about "knowing a thing or two" are irrelevant. You're assuming that the light would not be subjected to the initial velocity of its source. That, of course, would directly contradict your claims about the Doppler Effect. You've already debunked yourself.

Are you trolling?

The velocity of light is a constant that doesn't change if you transform from one moving coordinate-system to another moving coordinate-system. That's Special Relativity in a nutshell. Seriously, grab a physics-book.

The Doppler-Effect does not change the velocity of the wave. It changes how I observe the frequency of the wave. Double-seriously, grab a physics-book.




If you don't understand what I wrote, say so and I will explain it in more detail.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: RET - The Single Biome Universe
« on: August 22, 2018, 03:45:01 PM »
If you delve into the scientific properties of the other planets, it might give a bit of logical insight to why this may be.  I'm no astronomer, but too close to the sun, you won't find grass or leaves or water.  Too far from the sun, you won't get liquid water on the surface, so no trees, grass, mud, greens, etc.  Weak magnetic field in the planet, less solar wind deflection; irradiated surface.  Not all planets are made of the same junk, so they don't all display the same properties.  Why should they?
Planets shouldn't all display the same properties, but the notion that every single other world has one solitary defining feature rather than the myriad of colors and properties that we see on Earth is not one that deserves any respect. A skeptic might call it a marketing ploy.
A common FE claim for why the Earth is flat and everything else is round is that the Earth is special. While I don't necessarily think it's a strong argument, it's certainly reasonable. Earth IS the only one that we're aware of with life presently on it. So why shouldn't it be unique in some manner? Maybe a varied biome is a prerequisite for life in some manner. So all these single biome planets are basically dictated to not have life by that very reason. But if we were to ever find another one with multiple biome's, it would be a very good candidate for life because it has that first basic requirement. Essentially, Earth is already unique in so many ways, why not this one? Not as though your sample size is all that large though either, and 2 of your 'poster planets' have no atmosphere to really support alternative biomes to begin with.

You are arguing "specialness" by proxy. Just because something is outstanding in one aspect, that doesn't mean it's outstanding in another unrelated aspect. I can type really fast. That doesn't mean I'm good at driving cars.

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This is not how Special Relativity works.
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I know a thing or two about physics. That is how Special Relativity works and you will not find a single physics-book that contradicts my OP.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Bi-Polar Model: YouTube movement catching on
« on: August 22, 2018, 11:31:32 AM »
It seems that someone has decided to look at the Flat Earth books and literature that has been around for the last one hundred years. Aside from the fact that the model is not new at all -- the Bi-Polar model became an official model of the society in the early 1900's under the leadership of Lady Blount shortly after the discovery of the South Magnetic Pole -- its a nice presentation of the basic idea.



The Flat Earth Society of Lady Blount's time (then called the Universal Zetetic Society) didn't provide a map for the Bi-Polar model, however. It appears that he is using Sandokhan's layout, to which he rightfully deserves credit.

If the author did in fact come up with this on his own, he deserves a lot of credit, although it is hard to see how, since the exact same map comes up in Google Image Search when one searches for "Flat Earth Two Pole map" or if one reads our Wiki.

Still, whatever. The author deserves good congratulations on his work on this video. Hopefully it spreads around to the YouTube community. I am glad to see that word is being spread.

Cannot possibly correct. The magnetic poles of Earth are in Canada and Antarctica. If Earth had this weird shape, we would have discovered so centuries ago simply by compass-navigation.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Bi-Polar Model: YouTube movement catching on
« on: August 22, 2018, 11:25:48 AM »
The bipolar model just produces the ancient water pouring over the edge model ..

Well not if all the points on the circumference are the very same point in reality.

Do you realize that you have just committed the thought-crime of arguing that Earth must have a curvature?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: RET - The Single Biome Universe
« on: August 22, 2018, 11:21:51 AM »
But is it realistic?
We have only one planet that we can directly observe, and we see it covered in rainforest and desert and sea and ice. Certainly, if a world lacks water or plant life there are limits to the variation possible, but there should still be some. If you want to limit the materials to just sand and rock, then we should observe some areas of pure sand, some solid areas of just rock, but if you look at the myriad photos claimed to be of the moon (for example) then no matter the landing site they all seem to be pretty much identical. If you look at all the images from the Mars Rovers, it's the same. Loose rocks scattered over a sandy plain. There is no variation in the surface, the materials, the composition...

Translation:

You made an evidence-free guess what a planet SHOULD look like. And the planet not matching your imagination is proof that the planet is fake.

Can you give any argument why Mars and Moon SHOULD have variation on the surface?

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https://wiki.tfes.org/Universal_Acceleration

As the article states, there is no definition of a "resting" observer within Special Relativity. However, we do have a definition of a moving observer. In fact, there is a moving observer who always has the same velocity:
Photons.
The velocity of light is a constant and no matter into which moving coordinate-system you transform the movement of the photon, it always moves at the speed of light.

Why is this interesting?

Because of the Doppler-Effect. The wavelength of an observed photon depends on the velocity of the observer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effect

If we are looking at starlight, our velocity as an observer relative to the starlight depends on at which angle we are looking up into the sky. Light coming straight at us from above has the largest blueshift, while light coming at us from the horizon has no blueshift.

The same goes for the light of a light-bulb. Let's assume that Flat Earth is moving upwards and that we are looking upwards to a light-bulb. That means, the light of the light-bulb has a blue-shift relative to us. Now, if we look at the same light-bulb from the side, the blue-shift disappears.



How big is this effect?

If Flat Earth experiences a constant acceleration of 9.81 m/s², after 1 year = 31,557,600 seconds it has a velocity of approximately 3*10^8 m/s. That's light-speed. Now, of course we are not moving at light-speed, but this simple estimate makes it reasonable to assume that Flat Earth has been moving at a velocity close to the speed of light since a few years after its creation.

For simplicity's sake, it is a reasonable estimate to assume that Flat Earth has a velocity of something in the ballpark of 10% of the speed of light.

The formula for the Doppler-effect is:     
f = f0 * (1+ v/c)
if we are moving towards the emitter with a velocity v. As wavelength is the inverse of frequency, the corresponding formula for wavelengths is
lambda0 = lambda * (1+ v/c)



For the measurement you will need:
- a shining lightbulb
- transparent colored material

You hold the colored transparent material between the lightbulb and your eye. The human eye can detect wavelengths in the range of 400 nm (violet) to 700 nm (red). The colors are as follows:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum
400 nm - violet
450 nm - blue
500 nm - turquois
550 nm - green
600 nm - orange
650 nm - red
700 nm - red

If Flat Earth has a velocity of 10% of the speed of light, then the wavelengths you see can shift up to 10%. And that means that the human eye would see a noticable shift in color, depending on whether you look at the colored light from below or from the side.



If you are worried that the effect is too weak for the human eye, fear not. There are a myriad ways to measure this, from simple prisms to the spectrometers built into the digital cameras used by professional photographers to apps you can download for your smartphone. (just google "app smartphone measure spectrum")



So, what are you waiting for?

Universal Acceleration is just one lightbulb away.

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https://wiki.tfes.org/Universal_Acceleration

As the article states, there is no definition of a "resting" observer within Special Relativity. However, we do have a definition of a moving observer. In fact, there is a moving observer who always has the same velocity:
Photons.
The velocity of light is a constant and no matter into which moving coordinate-system you transform the movement of the photon, it always moves at the speed of light.

Why is this interesting? Because it allows us to measure how fast the Universally Accelerating Flat Earth is right now, measured as a percentage of the speed of light, which is a hard, well-known number.



The experiment is fairly easy. You need:
- 1x laser-pointer
- 1x sheet of paper
- 1x ruler for measuring distances

If Flat Earth experiences a constant acceleration of 9.81 m/s², after 1 year = 31,557,600 seconds it has a velocity of approximately 3*10^8 m/s. That's light-speed. Now, of course we are not moving at light-speed, but this simple estimate makes it reasonable to assume that Flat Earth has been moving at a velocity close to the speed of light since a few years after its creation.

What happens if you throw a ball horizontally at a constant velocity? It will fall down and its trajectory is a parable. The same would happen to a photon in a Universally Accelerating Flat Earth.

The photon is moving horizontally at a constant velocity, while the frame of reference is moving upwards with an acceleration. That means, to an observer within the frame of reference the photon is moving downwards.


The experiment is simple:
1. You hold a laserpointer horizontally and activate it.
2. By holding the sheet of paper at various distances to the laserpointer, you can make the trajectory of the photons visible.
3. As you know the speed of light, you can calculate the present velocity of Universally Accelerated Flat Earth based on how the beam of light drops down to Flat Earth.

The formula for evaluation is simple:
1. The photon reaches a paper held at a distance of 1 meter after a time t = 1 meter / c
2. We assume that 1 meter is an such an insignificant length for an object moving at the speed of light, that we can estimate for Flat Earth to have a constant velocity during that short interval of time.
3. We measure the drop-off d of the beam of light, compared to the horizontal axis defined by our laser-pointer.
4. We calculate d/t, and now we know how fast Flat Earth has been on average during our experiment.

For example:
If the beam of light has a drop-off of 0,1 m over a distance of 1 m, then Flat Earth had an average velocity of 10% of speed of light during the measurement.




What drop-off do you see when pointing a laserpointer sideways?

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