[Rushy]

Two foot rats can not nimbly run around a five square foot room in such a fashion that an average adult can not stab them with a dagger.

I could see your point if it was a tiny rat, but if it was a tiny rat, it wouldn't be able to kill you in the first place.

[Ghost of V]

Would you be able to stab a rat in real life while it's nimbly running around your feet on the floor? Because that's what the rats in Morrowind are doing. They're skipping and frolicing about while quickly moving in and out to bite your feet and legs. It's simply not animated.

Actually, that's not what they're doing. If it's not being shown on the screen, then that's not what's happening. Otherwise, if that's what the developers intended... that is the worst fucking apologist game design I have ever seen. The rat obviously stands in front of you and attempts to attack you. If he was running about the room like a wild child how would he be able to attack and kill me so quickly despite the fact that I have a 5 foot claymore, or a dagger, or a short sword.

[beardo]

Two foot rats can not nimbly run around a five square foot room in such a fashion that an average adult can not stab them with a dagger.

I could see your point if it was a tiny rat, but if it was a tiny rat, it wouldn't be able to kill you in the first place.

How would you know? Have you seen a two foot rat?

Actually, that's not what they're doing. If it's not being shown on the screen, then that's not what's happening. Otherwise, if that's what the developers intended... that is the worst fucking apologist game design I have ever seen. The rat obviously stands in front of you and attempts to attack you. If he was running about the room like a wild child how would he be able to attack and kill me so quickly despite the fact that I have a 5 foot claymore, or a dagger, or a short sword.

Because your claymore, dagger or short sword skill sucks, and the rat is fucking fast, man.

[Ghost of V]

Because he's fucking fast, man.

Yeah but he's just standing there.

[beardo]

No, that's just how it's represented in-game.

[Ghost of V]

No, that's just how it's represented in-game.

 

[Rushy]

Two foot rats can not nimbly run around a five square foot room in such a fashion that an average adult can not stab them with a dagger.

I could see your point if it was a tiny rat, but if it was a tiny rat, it wouldn't be able to kill you in the first place.

How would you know? Have you seen a two foot rat?

You're really going to invoke this logic after you just got done telling me how fast they were?

I guess I don't need to reply to your posts since you're so busy arguing with yourself.

[Ghost of V]

Morrowind would be a much better game if they removed dice rolls for evasion. Let you switch your major/minor skills on the go. Explained character creation in more depth. Had HD graphix. Had dual wielding. Magic didn't whiff. Had voice acting. Fixed the stamina system. Had more fast travel options. Didn't rely on a difficulty slider to actually make the game playable. Let you ride dwemer motorcycles.

[Blanko]

Morrowind would be a much better game if they just removed numbers and let you be good at everything always

[Particle Person]

Morrowind has more fast travel options than Skyrim and Oblivion combined.

[Ghost of V]

Morrowind has more fast travel options than Skyrim and Oblivion combined.

But somehow I spend 15 minutes walking from town to murderous rat den.

Morrowind could also benefit from quicktime events too.

[Particle Person]

Also, who ever actually uses the difficulty slider?

[Ghost of V]

Also, who ever actually uses the difficulty slider?

Morrowind was the only ES game that I felt the need to use the difficulty slider. Mostly because of the fucking rats at the beginning of the game. Even then it barely helped. I think I read that this is because it only decreases enemy damage, and increases yours. It doesn't effect hit rate or evasion.

[Particle Person]

Wow.

[Saddam Hussein]

[Practicing miscellaneous skills] is not borderline impossible. Nobody would play a game if one of the most basic tasks was borderline impossible. Unless it were one of those novelty games that's meant to be as difficult as possible.

I exaggerated slightly, but it's still absurdly difficult.  You seemed to agree some months ago:

I don't think I've ever actually tried using a weapon for which my skill is only 5 or 10. I just created a character to test it out. My short blade skill was 5 and my agility was only 30. With an iron dagger, I was able to kill a mudcrab in six swings (three of them connected). Then I fought a rat and gave up somewhere around the 110th swing (four hits had connected and the rat was still at half health). I can see how that might be a problem. I began both fights with full fatigue. What an oxymoron. I'm glad they changed "fatigue" to "stamina".

I tried doing some other things using only miscellaneous skills. It's a great way to roleplay a physically and mentally handicapped person. Nothing works.

I'm not so much concerned about whether or not we can realistically expect rats to be nimbly dodging blows as I am about the effect that this has on the gameplay, and I have to say that this really sucks the fun out of it all, as well as clunkily restraining your ability to build your character how you want.  It's not even a matter of gaming the system; there are valid reasons why you might want to develop your miscellaneous skills.  Maybe you want to boost your attributes, for example.  Say you're a mage-type character, and you want to boost your strength so you can carry more.  The best way to do that is to practice your strength-governed skills before your next level-up...but you can't do that, because those are all miscellaneous skills and you're just going to get killed while you flail away in vain at whatever cliff racer you're fighting.  Now all you can do is try and find an appropriate trainer somewhere and hope you can afford their services.  Isn't that a problem?  I'm not saying you should be awesome at everything to begin with, but surely there's a middle ground between that and how much you suck in Morrowind.

[beardo]

Or, you know, you make potions or enchantments to increase your strength.

[Saddam Hussein]

That's not really character-building, though, at least not in the sense that increasing your attributes through leveling is.  Also, I'm amused at how some people here are totally okay with the fact that Morrowind's combat is just a representation of what's "really" happening and we shouldn't interpret it too literally, but quest markers are still terrible because they're undisguised game mechanics.

[Blanko]

That's not really character-building, though, at least not in the sense that increasing your attributes through leveling is.  Also, I'm amused at how some people here are totally okay with the fact that Morrowind's combat is just a representation of what's "really" happening and we shouldn't interpret it too literally, but quest markers are still terrible because they're undisguised game mechanics.

I think you've misunderstood. That's not why quest markers are terrible.

[Ghost of V]

That's not really character-building, though, at least not in the sense that increasing your attributes through leveling is.  Also, I'm amused at how some people here are totally okay with the fact that Morrowind's combat is just a representation of what's "really" happening and we shouldn't interpret it too literally, but quest markers are still terrible because they're undisguised game mechanics.

I think you've misunderstood. That's not why quest markers are terrible.

Care to explain what does make them terrible, then?

[Blanko]

That's not really character-building, though, at least not in the sense that increasing your attributes through leveling is.  Also, I'm amused at how some people here are totally okay with the fact that Morrowind's combat is just a representation of what's "really" happening and we shouldn't interpret it too literally, but quest markers are still terrible because they're undisguised game mechanics.

I think you've misunderstood. That's not why quest markers are terrible.

Care to explain what does make them terrible, then?

They make the game not fun.