[beardo]

I don't think he ever said that third-person is better than first-person. He was just questioning my opinion that first-person is better than third-person.

[Blanko]

I think Saddam was referring to this exchange:

[18:30:52] <Saddam> Blanko: Does a game that's designed to be played in third-person lend itself to better combat than if it had been first person?
[18:32:03] <Blanko> Uh...
[18:32:06] <Blanko> Of course?
[18:32:14] <Saddam> I see
[18:32:15] <Blanko> Are you seriously asking
[18:32:24] <Saddam> Some people might disagree

In which I only suggest that third-person combat is better if it is designed with third-person in mind.

[Rushy]

Why do you think third person is objectively better?

[Fortuna]

It seems like the MMO craze is slowly winding down.

No. The market is just saturated. WoW still exists and has a gargantuan sub base. New games (i.e last few years) like LoL and Dota2 have also pulled in millions of people.

League of Legends isn't even remotely in the same genre. I was referring to the type of MMO that WoW is, not just any type of game that has online play. Besides, WoW's subscription numbers have been slowly decreasing.

[beardo]

Then maybe you should have said MMORPG.

[Fortuna]

Oh man you got me.

[Vindictus]

LoL is an MMO.

[Ghost of V]

TFES is an MMO.

[Particle Person]

TFES is an MMO.

One of the grindiest MMOs in existence.

[Fortuna]

LoL is an MMO.

No it isn't. Just because a lot of people play it, it doesn't mean it's an MMO.

[Vindictus]

No, but it is an MMO.

[Particle Person]

No, it isn't. "Massively multiplayer" refers to the ability to support thousands of players simultaneously in one world. LoL is just an arena combat game.

[beardo]

TFESO

[Ghost of V]

I've been grinding posts in TFES since 2007 and still have nothing to show for it. They need to add some microtransaction options .

[Vindictus]

No, it isn't. "Massively multiplayer" refers to the ability to support thousands of players simultaneously in one world. LoL is just an arena combat game.

Ah, good old semantics. I don't think 'MMO' requires everyone to be on the same world, if it did then WoW wouldn't be an MMO as 90% of the game is instanced.

[Particle Person]

No, it isn't. "Massively multiplayer" refers to the ability to support thousands of players simultaneously in one world. LoL is just an arena combat game.

Ah, good old semantics. I don't think 'MMO' requires everyone to be on the same world, if it did then WoW wouldn't be an MMO as 90% of the game is instanced.

By "world", I didn't mean a single instance. A world can comprise many instances, as long as they're connected in some way. If we use your definition, all popular arena combat games would be considered MMOs, which isn't the case.

[Ghost of V]

No, it isn't. "Massively multiplayer" refers to the ability to support thousands of players simultaneously in one world. LoL is just an arena combat game.

Ah, good old semantics. I don't think 'MMO' requires everyone to be on the same world, if it did then WoW wouldn't be an MMO as 90% of the game is instanced.

It kind of does. MMO refers to a large game world with many people playing at once. Games like LoL, Phantasy Star, Monster Hunter, etc are not MMOs. You wouldn't consider Team Fortress an MMO, would you?

[Vindictus]

No, it isn't. "Massively multiplayer" refers to the ability to support thousands of players simultaneously in one world. LoL is just an arena combat game.

Ah, good old semantics. I don't think 'MMO' requires everyone to be on the same world, if it did then WoW wouldn't be an MMO as 90% of the game is instanced.

It kind of does. MMO refers to a large game world with many people playing at once. Games like LoL, Phantasy Star, Monster Hunter, etc ate not MMOs. You wouldn't consider Team Fortress an MMO, would you?

By my definition, it would be an MMO, although people don't refer to it as one because it's more easily placed under the FPS banner.

[Rushy]

By my definition, it would be an MMO, although people don't refer to it as one because it's more easily placed under the FPS banner.

By your definition, Call of Duty is an MMO.

[Ghost of V]

According to my definition Team Fortress is an action based first person RPG with hidden stat modifiers and hats.