Re: Why?
« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2017, 06:55:18 PM »
Yeah I read one story that said there are U.N. guards posted all around it and no one was allowed in

So they have invented some pretty elaborate excuses why they can not go there.

But anyway if it is only 150 feet high that is still higher than most ships

e ?

U.N. Guards  ??? I thought it was N.A.S.A.  ???

Whom do you think oversees the NASholes?


Then I suppose that we can consider the U.N. as part of "The Round Earth Conspiracy", too ?

But wait a minute. Doesn't the FES consider the U.N. logo as a flat earth map and proof of a flat earth ? But there seems to be a conflict of opinion? RE considers the U.N. logo as a stylized copy of The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe ?  ???

OK-Then....Who guarded the ice ring before the UN and NASA ? The League Of Nations ?  Nazi Storm Troopers during World War Two ? The Holy Roman Empire ? Or did it not need to be guarded until recently  ?

Also..... Rowbotham must have seen the ice ring -  Quote - " A place of howling winds,, eternal darkness, frigid temperatures.........."
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Re: Why?
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2017, 07:23:52 PM »

Look out your window.

On a clear day I can see the horizon is a sharp line,  which proves curvature

No, it doesn't.

Yes it does !
 Just ask any sailor who is a lookout about the horizon and why it proves curvature of the earth.

If you only saw "A blur which fades away at an indefinite distance" that would prove the earth was flat.
But you don't !
 You will see a sharp line where the sea and sky appear to meet and the distance you can see to the horizon is farther the higher you are above sea level.
Just ask any sailor who has ever  been  a lookout in the crow's nest if he can see farther than a man on the bridge.

Don't ask me. I  was in the  Navy but was never a lookout. I'm just going by what I have read in The Navy Manual For Lookouts. Ask a real sailor !
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« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2017, 10:06:32 PM »

Don't ask me. I  was in the  Navy but was never a lookout. I'm just going by what I have read in The Navy Manual For Lookouts. Ask a real sailor !

Curious that you demand something of me which you haven't done even though you allegedly had ample opportunities.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2017, 12:16:55 AM »

Don't ask me. I  was in the  Navy but was never a lookout. I'm just going by what I have read in The Navy Manual For Lookouts. Ask a real sailor !

Curious that you demand something of me which you haven't done even though you allegedly had ample opportunities.

Well, actually I have done it - but neither in an any official capacity  nor as an official lookout in the crow's nest.
But I do know that the horizon is a very sharp and distinct line when you are at sea on a clear, calm, sunny day.
I do know that if you look out to sea....Even just on land  from a beach or shore....That it was not just "A indistinct blur which fades away at an indefinite distance" which is the flat earth definition - the way it would have to be if the earth earth was flat.

And I do know I could see farther from the top deck than I could from a boat at sea level, from the main deck , or the bridge, going higher in my sightings.
I was just an ET assigned to radar maintenance and repair and would have done some checks on comparing visual sightings with the radar ranges and bearings.

I mentioned , merely suggested and certainly didn't it to be a "demand" that you talk to the "real sailors" such as QM's or BM''s or Officers.
Why ? Because they would have had more experience in their official duties as lookouts. And are trained to be proficient in their duties in these things. In other words , wouldn't you trust an expert in his field more than someone who was not ? That was the reason I suggested, not demanded, you talk to them instead of taking me at my word.

As the English would say, "Don't get your  knickers in a twist ! "  Let's face it.   The earth IS a globe and there IS a horizon. LOL
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Re: Why?
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2017, 10:54:27 AM »
Yeah I read one story that said there are U.N. guards posted all around it and no one was allowed in

So they have invented some pretty elaborate excuses why they can not go there.

But anyway if it is only 150 feet high that is still higher than most ships

e ?

U.N. Guards  ??? I thought it was N.A.S.A.  ???

Whom do you think oversees the NASholes?


Then I suppose that we can consider the U.N. as part of "The Round Earth Conspiracy", too ?

But wait a minute. Doesn't the FES consider the U.N. logo as a flat earth map and proof of a flat earth ? But there seems to be a conflict of opinion? RE considers the U.N. logo as a stylized copy of The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe ?  ???

OK-Then....Who guarded the ice ring before the UN and NASA ? The League Of Nations ?  Nazi Storm Troopers during World War Two ? The Holy Roman Empire ? Or did it not need to be guarded until recently  ?

Also..... Rowbotham must have seen the ice ring -  Quote - " A place of howling winds,, eternal darkness, frigid temperatures.........."

How would Rowbotham know anything about Antarctica ... he never left the northern hemisphere !!!
Because I live on the 'bottom' of a spinning spherical earth ...
*I cannot see Polaris, but I can see the Southern Cross
*When I look at the stars they appear to rotate clockwise, not anti-clockwise
*I see the moon 'upside down'
I've travelled to the Northern Hemisphere numerous times ... and seen how different the stars and the moon are 'up' there!
Come on down and check it out FE believers... !!

Re: Why?
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2017, 03:44:35 PM »
Yeah I read one story that said there are U.N. guards posted all around it and no one was allowed in

So they have invented some pretty elaborate excuses why they can not go there.

But anyway if it is only 150 feet high that is still higher than most ships

e ?

U.N. Guards  ??? I thought it was N.A.S.A.  ???

Whom do you think oversees the NASholes?


Then I suppose that we can consider the U.N. as part of "The Round Earth Conspiracy", too ?

But wait a minute. Doesn't the FES consider the U.N. logo as a flat earth map and proof of a flat earth ? But there seems to be a conflict of opinion? RE considers the U.N. logo as a stylized copy of The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe ?  ???

OK-Then....Who guarded the ice ring before the UN and NASA ? The League Of Nations ?  Nazi Storm Troopers during World War Two ? The Holy Roman Empire ? Or did it not need to be guarded until recently  ?

Also..... Rowbotham must have seen the ice ring -  Quote - " A place of howling winds,, eternal darkness, frigid temperatures.........."

How would Rowbotham know anything about Antarctica ... he never left the northern hemisphere !!!

ESP ?  Maybe it's from E NAG ? Or from The Sacred Scriptures ?
See description of "Ice  Wall"  on "The Flat Earth Wiki" ?
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Re: Why?
« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2017, 03:50:54 PM »
Yeah I read one story that said there are U.N. guards posted all around it and no one was allowed in

So they have invented some pretty elaborate excuses why they can not go there.

But anyway if it is only 150 feet high that is still higher than most ships

e ?

U.N. Guards  ??? I thought it was N.A.S.A.  ???

Whom do you think oversees the NASholes?


Then I suppose that we can consider the U.N. as part of "The Round Earth Conspiracy", too ?

But wait a minute. Doesn't the FES consider the U.N. logo as a flat earth map and proof of a flat earth ? But there seems to be a conflict of opinion? RE considers the U.N. logo as a stylized copy of The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe ?  ???

OK-Then....Who guarded the ice ring before the UN and NASA ? The League Of Nations ?  Nazi Storm Troopers during World War Two ? The Holy Roman Empire ? Or did it not need to be guarded until recently  ?

Also..... Rowbotham must have seen the ice ring -  Quote - " A place of howling winds,, eternal darkness, frigid temperatures.........."

How would Rowbotham know anything about Antarctica ... he never left the northern hemisphere !!!

I am still waiting for an answer.:
Was the ice ring guarded before NASA ? And by whom ?
How long has it been guarded ?

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Re: Why?
« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2017, 05:26:01 AM »
Yeah I read one story that said there are U.N. guards posted all around it and no one was allowed in

So they have invented some pretty elaborate excuses why they can not go there.

But anyway if it is only 150 feet high that is still higher than most ships

e ?

U.N. Guards  ??? I thought it was N.A.S.A.  ???

Whom do you think oversees the NASholes?


Then I suppose that we can consider the U.N. as part of "The Round Earth Conspiracy", too ?

But wait a minute. Doesn't the FES consider the U.N. logo as a flat earth map and proof of a flat earth ? But there seems to be a conflict of opinion? RE considers the U.N. logo as a stylized copy of The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of the globe ?  ???

OK-Then....Who guarded the ice ring before the UN and NASA ? The League Of Nations ?  Nazi Storm Troopers during World War Two ? The Holy Roman Empire ? Or did it not need to be guarded until recently  ?

Also..... Rowbotham must have seen the ice ring -  Quote - " A place of howling winds,, eternal darkness, frigid temperatures.........."

How would Rowbotham know anything about Antarctica ... he never left the northern hemisphere !!!

I am still waiting for an answer.:
Was the ice ring guarded before NASA ? And by whom ?
How long has it been guarded ?

Still waiting for an answer.
Hope springs eternal. LOL.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2017, 10:31:19 AM »
How would Rowbotham know anything about Antarctica ... he never left the northern hemisphere !!!

Tom Bishop accepts that Antarctica was not explored in Rowbotham's time.
Rabinoz, I support the Bi-Polar model, so I don't know what you are trying to prove to me there.
Then
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The South Pole was not yet discovered when Rowbotham wrote Earth Not a Globe. It is understandable why he might depict the earth without it.

The Bi-Polar model is first advocated in the book The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918). However, the layout of the continents is left ambiguous due to lack of data. The layout and dimensions of the continents in our picture may be different as well. Someone apparently just found a map projection of a globe that looked similar for illustrative purposes.

Tom Bishop claims that "It is understandable why he might depict the earth without it".
I would say that if one doesn't have evidence, one shouldn't guess. Just do what the old mapmakers did and label it "Terra incognita."

Here is a link to the pdf file The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918)
Or in the TFES library The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918)
This is the "modern" bipolar map that Tom Bishop refers to:

Another alternative model descripting Antarctica as a distinct continent.
"There is still an "ice wall" in this model, but it not Antarctica.
Beyond the rays of the sun the waters will naturally freeze."
From Flat Earth Wiki, Antarctica
Don't you just love the shape of Australia and the USA in that Azimuthal Equidistant (0°,0°) Centred Projection of the Globe? Yes. it's just an AE Projection centred on Lat 0°, Long 0°.

Have fun!

Re: Why?
« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2017, 06:27:08 PM »
How would Rowbotham know anything about Antarctica ... he never left the northern hemisphere !!!

Tom Bishop accepts that Antarctica was not explored in Rowbotham's time.
Rabinoz, I support the Bi-Polar model, so I don't know what you are trying to prove to me there.
Then
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The South Pole was not yet discovered when Rowbotham wrote Earth Not a Globe. It is understandable why he might depict the earth without it.

The Bi-Polar model is first advocated in the book The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918). However, the layout of the continents is left ambiguous due to lack of data. The layout and dimensions of the continents in our picture may be different as well. Someone apparently just found a map projection of a globe that looked similar for illustrative purposes.

Tom Bishop claims that "It is understandable why he might depict the earth without it".
I would say that if one doesn't have evidence, one shouldn't guess. Just do what the old mapmakers did and label it "Terra incognita."

Here is a link to the pdf file The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918)
Or in the TFES library The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918)
This is the "modern" bipolar map that Tom Bishop refers to:

Another alternative model descripting Antarctica as a distinct continent.
"There is still an "ice wall" in this model, but it not Antarctica.
Beyond the rays of the sun the waters will naturally freeze."
From Flat Earth Wiki, Antarctica
Don't you just love the shape of Australia and the USA in that Azimuthal Equidistant (0°,0°) Centred Projection of the Globe? Yes. it's just an AE Projection centred on Lat 0°, Long 0°.

Have fun!

For that matter, have you ever noticed that Australia, South America and Africa all seem to be (roughly) about the same size and shape ? Also Antarctica ?
And  have you ever noticed why some Flat Earthers may have ever wondered why some Round Earthers find this website a never ending source of fun and entertainment ?
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Re: Why?
« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2017, 06:33:53 PM »
But.......
Back to the questions about the guards on the Ice Wall.
Has it always been guarded ?
If so, when was it first guarded ?
And by whom ? (That is : Before NASA)  ?
Please don't take this as blasphemous or sacreligious. It wasn't intended to be !
Guarded by Guardian Angels ?
« Last Edit: January 10, 2017, 06:48:33 PM by geckothegeek »
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Re: Why?
« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2017, 07:29:22 PM »
But.......
Back to the questions about the guards on the Ice Wall.
Has it always been guarded ?
If so, when was it first guarded ?
And by whom ? (That is : Before NASA)  ?
Please don't take this as blasphemous or sacreligious. It wasn't intended to be !
Guarded by Guardian Angels ?

Did it have to be guarded before people had the means to navigate there in the first place?

Re: Why?
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2017, 02:13:36 AM »
But.......
Back to the questions about the guards on the Ice Wall.
Has it always been guarded ?
If so, when was it first guarded ?
And by whom ? (That is : Before NASA)  ?
Please don't take this as blasphemous or sacreligious. It wasn't intended to be !
Guarded by Guardian Angels ?

Did it have to be guarded before people had the means to navigate there in the first place?

Good question !
But the question remains.:
But  when did it become necessary to guard it ?
And by whom ?
There  would have been means to navigate there for at least the last 100 years or so ?
FES seems to always put the blame on NASA.
But there would have been the means to navigate there long before NASA.
Did the guarding only start when all the space agencies in the world began showing photographs of the globe ? NASA is not the only one, you know !
This is all assuming that the earth is flat,  that there is an Ice Wall, and there are guards on it. ROFL !
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Re: Why?
« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2017, 04:51:52 AM »
How would Rowbotham know anything about Antarctica ... he never left the northern hemisphere !!!

Tom Bishop accepts that Antarctica was not explored in Rowbotham's time.
Rabinoz, I support the Bi-Polar model, so I don't know what you are trying to prove to me there.
Then
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The South Pole was not yet discovered when Rowbotham wrote Earth Not a Globe. It is understandable why he might depict the earth without it.

The Bi-Polar model is first advocated in the book The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918). However, the layout of the continents is left ambiguous due to lack of data. The layout and dimensions of the continents in our picture may be different as well. Someone apparently just found a map projection of a globe that looked similar for illustrative purposes.

Tom Bishop claims that "It is understandable why he might depict the earth without it".
I would say that if one doesn't have evidence, one shouldn't guess. Just do what the old mapmakers did and label it "Terra incognita."

Here is a link to the pdf file The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918)
Or in the TFES library The Sea-Earth Globe and and its Monstrous Hypothetical Motions, (Zetetes, 1918)
This is the "modern" bipolar map that Tom Bishop refers to:

Another alternative model descripting Antarctica as a distinct continent.
"There is still an "ice wall" in this model, but it not Antarctica.
Beyond the rays of the sun the waters will naturally freeze."
From Flat Earth Wiki, Antarctica
Don't you just love the shape of Australia and the USA in that Azimuthal Equidistant (0°,0°) Centred Projection of the Globe? Yes. it's just an AE Projection centred on Lat 0°, Long 0°.

Have fun!

Hmmmm.........I've just been perusing that map at great length. I have never considered my self a real sailor although I was in the U.S. Navy for four years and was on three cruises from San Francisco and San Diego, California , in the United States of America, to Yokosuka, in Japan. For the life of me I don't remember ever going by way of the North Pole and Russia. I must have slept through the whole cruise and missed it all.......That is .....If we had used the Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection as our means of navigation ! LOL
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Re: Why?
« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2017, 09:03:56 AM »
Hmmmm.........I've just been perusing that map at great length. I have never considered my self a real sailor although I was in the U.S. Navy for four years and was on three cruises from San Francisco and San Diego, California , in the United States of America, to Yokosuka, in Japan. For the life of me I don't remember ever going by way of the North Pole and Russia. I must have slept through the whole cruise and missed it all.......That is .....If we had used the Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection as our means of navigation ! LOL

Then I imagine you fell off the edge! How'd you get back - did you use JRoweSkeptic's aether (The Flat Earth Society) transport mechanism?

Re: Why?
« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2017, 04:40:08 PM »
Maybe a lot of people traveled there and never returned? There has probably been AT LEAST 10,000 voyages like that in the history of humanity

Re: Why?
« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2017, 08:15:40 PM »
Hmmmm.........I've just been perusing that map at great length. I have never considered my self a real sailor although I was in the U.S. Navy for four years and was on three cruises from San Francisco and San Diego, California , in the United States of America, to Yokosuka, in Japan. For the life of me I don't remember ever going by way of the North Pole and Russia. I must have slept through the whole cruise and missed it all.......That is .....If we had used the Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection as our means of navigation ! LOL

Then I imagine you fell off the edge! How'd you get back - did you use JRoweSkeptic's aether (The Flat Earth Society) transport mechanism?

I must have slept trought that, too. We always managed to get there and get back on time, though.

Just remember when you read my posts on this thread . :
IF the earth was flat.
IF that map was a true map of the world  "as it is".

 Meanwhile......Doesn't the FES have any records as to guards on the Ice Wall except some from Rowbotham ?
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Re: Why?
« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2017, 08:17:04 PM »
Maybe a lot of people traveled there and never returned? There has probably been AT LEAST 10,000 voyages like that in the history of humanity

But how many to the Ice Wall ?
See the Flat Earth Wiki, searching on "Ice Wall".
Haven't there been any expeditions or discoveries of the Ice Wall since those of Sir James Clark Ross ?
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Re: Why?
« Reply #78 on: January 12, 2017, 03:56:56 PM »
Maybe a lot of people traveled there and never returned? There has probably been AT LEAST 10,000 voyages like that in the history of humanity

But how many to the Ice Wall ?
See the Flat Earth Wiki, searching on "Ice Wall".
Haven't there been any expeditions or discoveries of the Ice Wall since those of Sir James Clark Ross ?

Maybe Chinese sailors from 500 BC went there and succumb to the elements. Who knows. If Columbus would've made a wrong turn and ended up there maybe no one would discover America  ::) lol

Re: Why?
« Reply #79 on: January 12, 2017, 05:23:51 PM »
Hmmmm.........I've just been perusing that map at great length. I have never considered my self a real sailor although I was in the U.S. Navy for four years and was on three cruises from San Francisco and San Diego, California , in the United States of America, to Yokosuka, in Japan. For the life of me I don't remember ever going by way of the North Pole and Russia. I must have slept through the whole cruise and missed it all.......That is .....If we had used the Bipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection as our means of navigation ! LOL

Then I imagine you fell off the edge! How'd you get back - did you use JRoweSkeptic's aether (The Flat Earth Society) transport mechanism?

I imagine we played it safe and kept close to the  coast of Alaska and Russia to avoid getting near the edge.
On second thought it looks as if it wouldn't be much farther by going east, via the Panama Canal, Suez Canal, etc. and on to Japan.
Maybe that's it. The weather was always warm all the way.
I think we need someone with more expertise in navigation for an explanation.

Not being an expert, but I have one.
That map is just the Bipolar Projection of the Globe. It is even worse than the Unipolar Projection as far as distortion is concerned.
Flat Earthers, let's face it , you have just got to come up with something better. LOL.

I am afraid this thread is headed for CN.
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