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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2017, 12:54:30 PM »
Nobody is trying to cover up the shape of the earth, only that space travel isn't real. The conspirators most likely don't know that the earth is flat. As RE'ers here like to remind us, everybody was certain that the earth was round long before anyone went into space.
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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2017, 03:28:58 PM »
I'm referring to Tom's continuing statements that this is about "Military superiority with nukes in orbit". The nukes aren't in orbit, ever, only trajectories, and that's only when they are launched. And nuclear showdowns are not about "domination", they are world-ending events.

How the fuck do you know? Do you know exactly what each and every "satellite" is equipped with when it is launched? Either "Star Wars" exists or space travel isn't possible or feasible. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN HELL that we haven't Weaponized space if it is even remotely possible.

Of course, space has been weaponized.  The USA has had F15 launched satellite killers for several decades now.  The Chinese tested on or their own and made a cloud of debris that will cause problems for centuries. 
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?

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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2017, 04:10:18 PM »
And that has what to do with the shape of the earth? ???

A flat earth points to a Creator,
The super elite worship the devil, they do not want the populace coming to that understanding.
The globe earth model devalues life and turns us all into cosmic dust particles.
Oh, so it's an ego thing to make us feel special.  Got it.

Personally, I think that if God can create one planet with intelligent life, then why would He stop there?  Why not create a whole universe teeming with intelligent life?

Do what thou wilt, no God, no judgement, no morality, just make money and don't question.
So you're saying that it's a good thing to question God and the Bible?

I am a Christian Flat Earther, I believe this is the truth,
I do not represent every FE on this forum, I am probably in the minority,
You're probably right about being in the minority.  My guess is that the majority of FE'ers on this forum are atheists.
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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2017, 09:16:10 PM »
Personally, I think that if God can create one planet with intelligent life, then why would He stop there?

You will get the opportunity to ask Him one day.

Also, the Christian message is all about dying to self "EGO" why have you reversed it?
I'm not suggesting to follow Crowley's mantra, I was showing you whats happening now.

I think you will find that most Atheists embrace Agnosticism after accepting FET.
   
Thanks for being kind in your reply  8)
 
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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2017, 09:42:11 PM »
So you're saying that it's a good thing to question God and the Bible?

Sorry, I misunderstood you,

The Bible is believed by faith, that faith is given of God.
Jesus is called the Word of God for a reason, also the Word made flesh and dwelt among us.
This is how God has chosen to reveal Himself, He has not left us alone.
I believe the Bible to be inerrant through faith in Christ, simples.

Mystics will say that God is in all religions, they are not working by faith.
Mysticism works through experience of the divine, experience trumps faith.
Following our heart will not lead to God because the heart is deceitfully wicked.

I'm losing track of the original question and now expect a warning, sorry everyone  ;)

The original question was, "what do they have to gain by saying the world is round"
The Christian answer is "your soul"...

   
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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2017, 10:26:34 PM »
There is a problem with the reasoning here.

"If statement X were true, it would be nice according to my religion" is in no way a valid argument to support statement X. The nature does not owe you nice things. Also, neither does God, if he exists.

I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science. In certain areas, they may coexist. Like, we don't know the fundamental mechanism of the gravity – we haven't discovered the graviton, and even if we had, we don't know how the gravitons are actually being made. We cannot prove that the gravity was created by God, but also we cannot prove that it was not. And this uncertainty is what leaves space for different religions. And by all means: I admit that I am not a very religious person myself, but as far as they don't try to affect my personal life, I don't mind if other people are.

The globe theory works well enough with or without religion. The flat theory, on the other hand, only seems to work with religion (that is, our planet being the only one there is, something special when compared to anything else in the entire universe). Still, there seem to be some non-religious persons who believe in it, and my genuine interest to try to understand the reasoning behing that is one of the reasons I am on this forum in the first place.

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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2017, 12:13:30 AM »
The original question was, "what do they have to gain by saying the world is round"
The Christian answer is "your soul"...
So watching satellite TV will cost me my soul?  Wow, I guess it's a good thing that I have cable.
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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2017, 12:25:23 AM »
I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science.

Science is a belief system, that makes it a religion of sorts.
Everyone on earth is religious, we all have souls, we have no choice.

Blake sums it up in well Auguries of Innocence,

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If the sun and moon should doubt,
They'd immediately go out.

This has been a good conversation so far but we have moved beyond the central question of the thread.
This is probably my fault, you get that when you are religious.  :P 
 


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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2017, 12:48:06 AM »
I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science.

Science is a belief system, that makes it a religion of sorts.
No.  Science is a system of inquiry.
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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2017, 03:57:25 AM »
I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science.

Science is a belief system, that makes it a religion of sorts.
No.  Science is a system of inquiry.
But to enquire about something requires belief that the question is valid and worth asking.
Also, not all questions asked in science get the same answers.
The results can be viewed in different ways according to the framework used to ask them.


 
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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2017, 04:40:36 AM »
Science is a system that corrects itself if needed. (And this has happened.) Science doesn't claim to be all-knowing. Science reserves itself the right to make mistakes; it's just that those mistakes can and must then be corrected. If they cannot be corrected, then the entire theory (and everything that stands on it) must be abandoned. Science is not complete; if it were, there wouldn't be any new scientists being educated in universities all around the world. Something completely new is learned all the time.

On the other hand, religion doesn't work like that. Nothing new has been added to The Bible, let alone The Quran, for centuries. If a priest finds out that there are errors in the Bible – even if God himself told him so – there's nothing he could do to correct them within his religion. What he could do is found a new one and declare the old one heretic.

Science hardly knows the concept of herecy. If some theory is proven false in one part of the world, and the proof is solid enough, that theory is soon abandoned (or corrected) everywhere.

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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2017, 01:30:30 PM »
I personally try to avoid mixing religion and science.

Science is a belief system, that makes it a religion of sorts.
No.  Science is a system of inquiry.
But to enquire about something requires belief that the question is valid and worth asking.
God made us naturally curious, so I don't see that as an issue.

Also, not all questions asked in science get the same answers.
The results can be viewed in different ways according to the framework used to ask them.
The same can be said of religion.  How many different interpretations of holy texts are used to justify various agendas?
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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2017, 09:42:00 PM »
God made us naturally curious, so I don't see that as an issue.
Why do you have God in your worldview?
And are you a FE'r, or a RE'r?   
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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2017, 11:22:31 PM »
God made us naturally curious, so I don't see that as an issue.
Why do you have God in your worldview?
Mostly because that's how I was indoctrinated at an early age, I suppose. 

Personally, I do believe in God, but I'm not sure that God is who we think He is.

And are you a FE'r, or a RE'r?
Does it really matter?
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2017, 12:25:46 AM »
Mostly because that's how I was indoctrinated at an early age, I suppose. 

Thanks for sharing  :)

I was brought up a Roman Catholic in primary school, I have good memories of the nuns. 
They were kind to us and I preferred it to the public school that I went to later in high school.
A religious upbringing can be a blessing, nothing to be ashamed of.
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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2017, 05:05:55 PM »

Personally, I think that if God can create one planet with intelligent life, then why would He stop there?  Why not create a whole universe teeming with intelligent life?

I think there is just a fundamental misunderstanding to what our existence is, and what the stars and planets represent. Intelligent life may exist congruent and or parallel to our own existence. It may not be a physical existence. We know that what we perceive is only a small fraction of a much larger existence. Hoping to find some sort of bacteria on what we think is a rock hundreds of millions of miles away seems, to me, as if we are looking in the wrong places for life that would be considered alien.
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