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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 31, 2020, 03:37:34 AM »

No one has to prove that there was no systematic fraud, it is up to Trump et al to prove there was. The fact that they’ve lost every court case (bar one, which was nothing to do with fraud) shows the weakness of their evidence. Remember Powell’s nonsense about evidence “coming in through a fire hose”. To the surprise of no one (except you, possibly), the Kraken washed up dead on the shore.

Nope. Senator Paul says that the court cases were not dismissed on merit. Scroll up. You have not provided a source which can counter his statements. You have NO EVIDENCE except for your internet opinion.

There has been plenty of evidence regarding fraud presented, and based on this evidence judges have agreed with fraud claims and have granted machine audits which have turned up further evidence against you. Yet you have presented nothing to counter it. You just keep asking for evidence and claim burden of proof. The burden has been presented. There is evidence against you.

It is possible to have contradictory machine audits to show that the machines are legitimate. It is also possible to have contradicting studies invoking Benford's law, showing that the election was legitimate across the entirety of the election. It is possible to show that there are statistical elements in your favor. Yet you have presented none of that.

There is evidence against you. In the face of evidence against you say 'prove me wrong'. At this stage this is a weak, invalid response. I am waiting on you to provide evidence to counter the evidence against you.

2422

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 31, 2020, 03:13:30 AM »

desperately shouting that everyone who has disagreeable evidence with you is wrong or lying. That is a pretty pathetic position to be in, fyi.

Umm. You know that the above entirely sums up your FE belief, right?

I love it when you guys try to flip the script with "well.. how about you" and try to (wrongly) argue that your opponent is also being hypocritical because of xyz. It is an implicit admission that you agree with their statements. You have conceded, and agree that you are in a desperate and pathetic position and have no evidence to counter the evidence against you.

Can you show positive evidence something does not exist?

Sure you can. But your question appears to suggest that you agree that you have no evidence.

GA did a signature audit, guess what it showed?

https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/3rd_strike_against_voter_fraud_claims_means_theyre_out_after_signature_audit_finds_no_fraud

Is says they found 386 matching signatures from a single county. Is this supposed to be your slam dunk evidence which shows that the 2020 Presidential Election was legitimate?

2423

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots

« on: December 31, 2020, 12:57:05 AM »

Can you point out where she said anything like that?

It's a 13 second video, surely you aren't that dense.

Then it shouldn't be hard for you to quote it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots

« on: December 30, 2020, 11:26:39 PM »

Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.

Well. If people don't have symptoms, but can transmit the disease, it is asymptomatic transmission. Is it that hard to understand?

She didn't say anything about asymptomatic transmission. You did. Stop fibbing. Thank you.

I know you struggle thinking things through sometimes, but if you have a vaccine that reduces the occurence of symptoms, and those symptoms increase the transmissability of the virus, then the virus would necessarily decrease the transmissability of the virus from symptomatic hosts.  This also means that it doesn't say much about non-symptomatic cases.  So perhaps instead of calling people liars, you should think for yourself once in a while.

Can you point out where she said anything like that?

2425

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots

« on: December 30, 2020, 09:52:59 PM »

Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.

Well. If people don't have symptoms, but can transmit the disease, it is asymptomatic transmission. Is it that hard to understand?

She didn't say anything about asymptomatic transmission. You did. Stop fibbing. Thank you.

2426

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots

« on: December 30, 2020, 09:34:15 PM »

Letlow had just undergone a medical operation before he died. What makes you think it was the COVID that killed him?

https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressman-elect-luke-letlow-suffered-a-heart-attack-during-operation/

Congressman-elect Luke Letlow suffered a heart attack following operation

"Louisiana Rep.-elect Luke Letlow, who died while battling COVID-19, suffered a heart attack following a procedure, a hospital official said.

The 41-year-old was receiving treatment in the intensive care unit at Ochsner LSU Health in Shreveport when he died Tuesday, the Monroe News-Star reported."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots

« on: December 30, 2020, 05:43:50 PM »

Did she say asymptomatic transmission or did she say transmission? It would be appreciated if you did not try to insert fabrications into the words of others, thx.

2428

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 30, 2020, 07:10:49 AM »

Yeah, guys, why would Paul lie about this? It's not like Republican politicians who dare defy or contradict Trump are promptly castigated by the man himself and see their approval ratings plummet as they're abandoned by the angry Trump fans that still make up the majority of Republican voters. Trump appreciates pushback.

Would you consider your accusations that political experts are lying to be strong evidence or weak speculation?

You guys are arguing from a position of weakness. No evidence. No positive evidence in your favor. Not a position of strength. Quite sad.

2429

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 30, 2020, 05:19:53 AM »

Going back to the lawsuits argument? You guys have yet to show that the lawsuits were all from Trump or that they were dismissed on merit. Judges did agree with Powell and the fraud claims and have granted audits. Kind of late to go back to those old arguments.

Here is Senator Paul telling you that the cases were not dismissed on merit:

https://m.theepochtimes.com/courts-havent-decided-facts-on-voter-fraud-found-excuses-to-dismiss-trumps-cases-rand-paul_3622644.html

"Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) rejected the notion that courts have 'decided the facts' amid allegations of election fraud during the Nov. 3 election.

'The courts have not decided the facts,' Paul said during an election integrity hearing on Wednesday. 'The courts never looked at the facts. The courts don’t like elections, and they stayed out of it by finding an excuse.'

The Kentucky senator went on to say that courts mainly rejected lawsuits from President Donald Trump’s team or other election-related lawsuits on procedural grounds."

Let me guess: "Senator Paul is LieInG!!!"

Is that right?

So desperate to claim that you have positive evidence in your favor when you clearly have none.

2430

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 29, 2020, 11:13:03 PM »

What might be the losing position? That Biden won the election and will be sworn in on 1/20? What will you say on 1/21 when Biden is residing in the white house? That there is still no "positive" evidence and desperate arguments are being made as to why Biden is president?

And you didn't answer the question. You wrote that Ramsland was "court appointed". What court appointed him? A simple question about a simple claim you made, yet you dodged it. Why?

Now, back to more interesting stuff. Like GG, I'm very interested in what happened to your claims regarding the falcolner and the Survivor contestant. Have those terabytes of treasonous evidence against the Obama administration shown up yet? It's been over a month and nothing. Seems like its way more important stuff - It could knock out Obama, Biden, and HRC in one fell swoop. A crushing trifecta. Yet, poof, all seems to have disappeared. Please provide an update.

You now want me to talk about 1/20 predictions, the court that appointed Ramsland's audit and things Obama did?

How about we continue talking about and pointing out how you do not actually have positive evidence for your position, and are desperately shouting that everyone who has disagreeable evidence with you is wrong or lying. That is a pretty pathetic position to be in, fyi.

2431

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 29, 2020, 09:41:12 PM »

you keep using the word "desperate." what exactly should biden voters feel desperate about?

Georgia

Savannah, Georgia Machine Audit - Court appointed expert Russell Ramsland from the Antrim county audit says Georgia tabulation machines were sending data to Germany and China - https://streamable.com/cad03h | Source 2

What court "appointed" Ramsland?

Oh yeah, Ramsland is this guy:

"In one such analysis on voter turnout, Ramsland mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan towns. In another, filed in support of a federal lawsuit in Michigan, he made inaccurate claims about voter turnout in various municipalities, misstating them as much as tenfold."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/15/trump-fact-check-defect-voting-machines-michigan/3902951001/

What court would appoint him?

Lol "Everyone is Wrong and LiEeInG"

That is a desperate argument from a losing position. An argument from a position of strength would have positive evidence for that position.

2432

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots

« on: December 29, 2020, 01:43:01 AM »

WHO Chief Scientist says they have no evidence that the vaccine prevents viral transmission.

Listen to the circus clown say it herself:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/who-chief-scientist-warns-no-evidence-covid-vaccine-prevents-viral-transmission

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 29, 2020, 01:16:53 AM »

you keep using the word "desperate." what exactly should biden voters feel desperate about?

The audits aren't going in their favor. Joe Biden supporters are super desperate to call court appointed experts and govt. representatives liars.

Michigan

Antrim, Michigan Forensic Audit - https://depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

"The allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines is .0008% We observed an error rate of 68.05%... The results of the Antrim County 2020 election are not certifiable."

Georgia

Savannah, Georgia Machine Audit - Court appointed expert Russell Ramsland from the Antrim county audit says Georgia tabulation machines were sending data to Germany and China - https://streamable.com/cad03h | Source 2

Arizona

Arizona audit finds enough fraud to flip election, per Rep Paul Gosar:

https://twitter.com/DrPaulGosar



Arizona Supervisors then refused to comply with further subpoenas.

Pennsylvania

BREAKING: Pennsylvania Certified Results for President Are Found in Error – The Error Is Twice the Size of the Difference Between Candidates

"Republican State Representative Russ Diamond uncovered and reported today that the results for President are way off in Pennsylvania.  More ballots were cast than people voted by more than 200,000 votes."

2434

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 28, 2020, 11:29:03 PM »

You don't know that they were "human errors". They were using the Dominion voting machines. That is merely a desperate excuse from a losing position.

2435

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 28, 2020, 10:31:44 PM »

The Dominion voting machines had "errors". Big errors. So why should we disregard the forensic audit that came from that county which said that the machines studied had issues again?

2436

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 28, 2020, 08:27:24 PM »

The Dominion voting machines reported wrong results and an investigation caught those lying voting machines. Why are you arguing about a later hand recount which matched the investigation that caught the lying machines when the matter is lying voting machines?

This is your desperate nonsense you are using to try and argue that the Antrim election was legitimate, that there is no voter machine fraud, and that we should disregard the forensic audit which came from that county that found issues with the machines.

2437

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 28, 2020, 08:13:24 PM »

Do keep up. The hand count verified that the originally reported election night results from the voting machines were way off.

The Antrim County hand recount, as part of their audit resulted in a 12 vote gain for Trump. Once again, the Dominion Voting Machine conspiracy proves to be filled with pure crap.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/12/17/antrim-county-audit-shows-12-vote-gain-trump/3938988001/

Wrong.

The content in this story is false or misleading and suggests that there were very minor discrepancies found. This is incorrect. The hand recount in Antrim didn't show minor discrepancies from the original reported results on election day. It showed major discrepancies. The county originally declared that Biden won in Antrim county, but that was later revised to declare that Trump won, and a hand recount showed the original election claim to be false.

Recount Confirms Trump Won Michigan County That Reported Biden Win on Election Night

https://m.theepochtimes.com/recount-confirms-trump-won-michigan-county-that-reported-biden-win-on-election-night_3624020.html

"A hand recount on Wednesday confirmed that a Michigan county falsely reported on election night a win for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

The recount in Antrim County found 9,759 votes for President Donald Trump, versus 5,959 for Biden.

On Nov. 3, county officials said Biden received over 3,000 more votes than Trump. Two days later, they said Trump won by about 2,500 votes. A third change took place on Nov. 21, with Trump being certified the winner by nearly 4,000 votes.

Officials blamed the skewed results on human error.

Antrim County uses Dominion Voting Systems machines and software."

Here is another source which reported that there were significant discrepancies from the original reported Antrim county election night results, which your link hides or neglects to report:

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-gary-peters-michigan-elections-dc3e16d42a27286fabc5b3e92386d7af

"BELLAIRE, Mich. (AP) — President Donald Trump didn’t win Michigan, but he can put a small county in the victory column after an unusual second look at the results.

Trump defeated Joe Biden in Antrim County, getting 56% of the vote, according to revised totals posted Thursday. Republican John James was the favorite in the Senate race.

“It certainly makes a lot more sense with people who are familiar with Antrim County,” said Jeremy Scott, deputy county administrator.

Questions were raised after the county first reported a local landslide for Biden, a Democrat, in an area that usually votes Republican. Officials acknowledged the results seemed “skewed” and promised a second look. More than 16,000 votes were cast."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: December 28, 2020, 06:51:26 PM »

2439

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots

« on: December 28, 2020, 06:23:49 PM »

Imagine my shock

2440

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: December 28, 2020, 06:18:30 PM »

Many states have triggers for mandatory recounts and others have recounts at the request of stakeholders.

So none of it is standard then and you have conceded your argument. Ok.

No, like always, you are wrong. At least 38 states have automatic audits as standard election operating procedure...Not all, but most, certainly not "none".

Post-Election Audits
In states that conduct post-election audits (see table below for more details) it is usually a statutory requirement. Legislatures can decide whether or not to require post-election audits in their states...
While the phrase "post-election audits" can be used to mean a variety of election validation efforts, as a term of art it refers to checking paper ballots or records against the results produced by the voting system to ensure accuracy. 38 states + DC currently have a post-election audit as defined here.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/post-election-audits635926066.aspx

Here's a table of the when, why and how each state performs their audits:
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/post-election-audits635926066.aspx#state%20reqs

Your link and quote says specifically that there are not standards across all states. Looks like you debonked yourself.

I said that. I said 38 states do have standardized audits and standardized triggered recounts. You said:

Standard audits and recounts isn't standard procedure in an election, sry.

Flat out wrong. You debunked yourself...again, sry.

Did you even bother to read your link? The audits and standards are all different for all the states, even among the 38 you are trying to champion.

We were discussing the 2020 election discrepancies in Antrim County, Michigan. From your source, here is the section on that state in question:

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/post-election-audits635926066.aspx



So the audit doesn't affect the certified result in this state and the small randomized audit is only used for training purposes.

Yet you guys are supposed to be arguing that these audits and procedural standards would have prevented any fraud in the Antrim County 2020 Presidential Election.

Wrong and insufficiently researched, as typical.