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Tom, first of all, let me call you brother. My name is Tom as well, and in the ancient Hebrew, the word means "Twin". As a Tom, I feel a kinship with all Toms and want to show you appropriate respect and deference consequentially.

I haven't been on these forums long, but your presence is hard to avoid. You speak passionately in favor of FET, and seem to at least want to engage on a logical level, even if I can't always follow your logic. I'm willing to accept that this is a shortcoming on my part and not yours.

That being said, I notice that you tend to engage your support of FET on a very mathematical level. I respect that, I'm not great at math overall, and I can only acknowledge those who are in the highest regard for doing what I cannot.

I want to see if you're willing to engage on a different, non-math based level.

I have many bones to pick with FET, ranging from the confusing nature of the conspiracy it would take to perpetuate it, to the failure to address why GPS works the way it does without breaking the short-distance success it has for me when I'm trying to get where I want to go.

Before we get into any of that, I'm asking you, Tom Bishop, my brother in name and respected individual with intelligence and conviction, are you willing to engage with me in a slow, calm conversation?

(I would ask others who might wish to jump in on either side to refrain from posting as well. I want this to be as pure as possible between two Toms.)

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Flat Earth Community / Let's talk about the Conspiracy
« on: August 05, 2017, 09:53:07 PM »
A.) Can any flat-Earthers give me a version of your belief that does not involve a conspiracy of people trying to conceal the truth? If so, I'm all ears, but if not, let's go on to part B of this question:

B.) How on earth (flat or round) could such a conspiracy possibly work? There are so many problems with the mechanics of it.

1. It requires perfect collusion from every space agency. Public or Private, they all have to be in cahoots on this, and for no clear reason.

2. How do they know everybody they need to silence? It seems like it would be very easy for any plane pilot, balloon hobbiest, sailor and countless others to see the vast wall of ice that keeps the world in place, or recognizes some other point of proof for FET. Yet they're all silent. How do the conspirators know who has seen the truth? How do they communicate with them to negotiate their silence? They can't be killing them all, because there are just way too many people who claim to circumnavigate the globe and live to tell the tale, so those people all have to have been bribed somehow.

3. How much money does the conspiracy cost? I mean, let's just think of some basic logistics here. They have to somehow monitor the entire planet, personally reach out to anybody that sees the truth, and then somehow silence them. Even assuming they aren't having to pay these people off, how much money does it cost to run the vast infrastructure that protects the secret? We're talking huge agencies with thousands of employees at minimum; maintaining the veil has to be their primary means of employment, and they have to do it all in total secrecy. Do banks not notice these sums of money? The IRS? Every politician in government? Every watchdog group that keeps a tight eye on national budgets?

4. What is the motive for the conspiracy? Like, if the whole of the scientific community and every world leader came out tomorrow and said, "You know what? The Earth is actually flat. We're sorry we've lied for so long, but you need to know the truth."

Then what? Kinda nothing. I mean, people would be mad and ask lots of questions, but the one question I don't see being answered anywhere is: "Why keep it a secret?" We didn't invent it to compete with the Russians, because the idea of a round earth pre-dates the space program by literal centuries, if not a millennium. Where did the need to lie about this first spring up? Who would give two craps if the world were actually flat enough to attempt to lie about it for hundreds and hundreds of years, spanning multiple generations and literally every planet on earth? What is so frightening about this knowledge to make it worth concealing?

Would love to hear your thoughts.

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Flat Earth Theory / Explain this to me
« on: July 27, 2017, 03:22:50 AM »
So I was going through the wiki on your page and found it very interesting and informative.

At one point, I ran across the section on day&night and was impressed by the animated diagram illustrating how the sun and moon might travel around the rim of the world, thus creating day and night.

But then I noticed something odd and unexpected. My mouse-cursor (in the shape of a finger) happened to be resting close to the center of the image, and I noticed that as the sun and moon swirled around, darkness never ever touched that part my mouse happened to be on.

There are no points on earth that literally never experience night, nor for whom day and night have equal length year round. How can we explain this rationally?

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