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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Cartography and a flat earth

« on: August 28, 2017, 11:54:49 PM »

If the flat earth society wants to start being taken seriously and not just considered a conspiracy, they need to decide on a model. You are not going to convince anybody if you all contradict each over. As for a map you have to find a map projection that doesnt mess with the areas of landmass' or the distance between points. There are two possibilities here; A the earth is an oblate sphereoid, the currently accepted distances and areas of places are correct and are difficult to represent on a flat surface. B the earth is flat and we cant project it on a flat surface because the currently believed distances and areas are wrong. If B is true it suprises me that no one has simply debunked all of cartography.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: It's a trap Grasshopper

« on: August 28, 2017, 11:29:58 PM »

Whats your point here.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Curiosity

« on: July 28, 2017, 03:11:43 PM »

General FE consensus is that anything having to do with going beyond the atmosphere of Earth is a hoax, because space travel itself is a lie. Wiki goes over this some, but that's the broad strokes of it. As for the planets and stars we see, I believe that's no precise agreement, even here. The two most common views are that they are in fact all out there and real, or that they're holes in some form of sky dome. The former is the more prevalent upon these forms though I would say, and is the one espoused in the wiki.

Some FE'ers seem to be saying that EVERYTHING that NASA say is a lie - a knowing fabrication.  The size of that conspiracy is mind-blowing...it would have to have extended at least 400 years into the past (because sailors claimed to have used celestial navigation techniques that couldn't have worked in FET)...and would have to cover a dozen major governments, 450+ astronauts and cosmonauts, 400,000 people who worked on the moon shots at NASA and about a million other people who've worked on spacecraft since then.   Astronomers would also have to be in on the conspiracy - so add another million or so people there...then all of the people who write software for GPS receivers, etc.

Others say that NASA staff are EXPECTING their results to show a curved earth and so when the images come back not showing that, they presume they've made an error and "correct" the image back to show a round earth...that's kinda insulting to a bunch of VERY smart people who'd spot the true facts in a heartbeat.

The latter are going to have a hard time with the mars rovers.  Clearly, they are either on a large planet that isn't Earth - or NASA are faking it at enormous expense instead of just saying "Sorry - it's too hard to get rovers to Mars"...which would be a lot cheaper and easier for them.

I think it's sad.

I read this story today - about the insane lengths everyone went to in order to find a rock out in the Kyper belt to extend the New Horizons mission out by another couple of years using just the few ounces of fuel left in it's rocket tanks.   A town in Pategonia going to amazing lengths to allow the NASA team to observe a blink in the brightness of a star lasting under a second so that it's speed could be accurately determined and so the space probe (already FAR past Pluto) can use those last drops of fuel productively.   They shut down a freeway to get rid of light pollution - and when it looked like the wind would shake the telescopes and ruin this once-ever observation - they brought a bunch of semi-trailers and parked them around the telescopes to shield them from the wind.

This tiny rock will be (by FAR) the most distant object ever to have been explored by the works of mankind.

That's such a wonderful thing - it makes me proud of humanity that we crave knowledge to this degree - that we'll go to such lengths to see what's over the next hill.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-s-new-horizons-team-strikes-gold-in-argentina

The bleak, miserably limited world of the Flat Earthers, full of nonsense and misunderstandings is a horrible place by comparison.   You almost feel that you're rescuing people from these horrors by opening up the true magnificence of the universe to them.

If they believe its a hoax how do they explain other space agencies going along with it. At best this only increases the size of the necessary conspiracy. If you do assume they are all in on it then why did soviet russia portray many of its missions as failures if it had full control of the outcome.

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Flat Earth Theory / Curiosity

« on: July 23, 2017, 07:51:41 PM »

I have seen quite a few people call the moon landing a hoax on this forum. What is the general FE census on the mars rovers. Also how do planets fit into FE are they considered projections on the dome or what.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Antarctic 24-hour sun cycle

« on: July 23, 2017, 07:41:29 PM »

The sun being visible from both poles can be explained in RET because in Spring and Autumn the earths tilt is tangential to its orbital path. This means it does not appear tilted relative to the sun and neither pole would be in the earths shadow.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Creation

« on: July 23, 2017, 07:11:23 PM »

Sounds about right. How many actual flat earthers would you say are on this forum.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Common Flat Earther Claims DEBUNKED

« on: July 22, 2017, 10:53:28 PM »

About the raindrop needing dust to form. I thought dust was needed to catalyze water vapor in clouds to give traditional rain. However doesnt water form into spheres when in freefall or zero g. On science documentaries i have seen people drop bukets of water from a tower and air risistance causes it to break into smaller particles until it forms a droplet made stable by surfaace tension. This is just me being pedantic and i fully agree with the rest of your post. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Creation

« on: July 22, 2017, 10:26:53 PM »

Hi this is my first time on the forum and I would like to ask the FE people a question. Assuming the earth is flat how did it come to be (I would prefer an explanation more scientifically rigorous then just labeling unkowns GOD.).
Also is there a turtle and three elephants under FE.