Physical Proof...
« on: May 25, 2017, 02:34:24 AM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times? In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?

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Re: Physical Proof...
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2017, 11:59:34 AM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.
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Re: Physical Proof...
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2017, 03:30:20 PM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times? In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?

Exactly. The old flat earth "sinking ship" has been de-bunked many times - by sailors and former sailors.
Ships appear mast first ; disappear hull first, as they cross the horizon.
The horizon is at a known distance; depending on the height of the observer.

If the earth was flat.:
The entire ship would appear to just get larger as it approaches the observer; smaller as it gets farther.
There would be no horizon as we know it.
It would make no difference how high the observer was as long as they were above anything to impede their view.
The entire ship would just fade away into the blur of the "atmoplane" and appear to get smaller the farther it got.
It would appear to come in from out of the blur of the "atmoplane" and appear to get larger as it becomes closer.

The simplest of the flat earth fallacies.
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Re: Physical Proof...
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2017, 06:09:58 PM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.

You don't even explain why it doesn't disprove Flat Earth you just say no
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Re: Physical Proof...
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2017, 11:08:59 PM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.

You don't even explain why it doesn't disprove Flat Earth you just say no

Answering a yes/no question with a no? Despicable.  >o<
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Re: Physical Proof...
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2017, 11:35:55 PM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.

You don't even explain why it doesn't disprove Flat Earth you just say no

Answering a yes/no question with a no? Despicable.  >o<

WHY doesn't it disprove Flat Earth was the question.

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Re: Physical Proof...
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2017, 01:43:37 AM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.

You don't even explain why it doesn't disprove Flat Earth you just say no

Answering a yes/no question with a no? Despicable.  >o<

WHY doesn't it disprove Flat Earth was the question.

Lol no, read it again.
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
My friends, please remember Tom said this the next time you fall into the trap of engaging him, and thank you. :)

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Re: Physical Proof...
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2017, 02:13:23 AM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.

You don't even explain why it doesn't disprove Flat Earth you just say no

Answering a yes/no question with a no? Despicable.  >o<

WHY doesn't it disprove Flat Earth was the question.

Lol no, read it again.

The point was that he did not explain why his answer was no.
The usual answer to a yes or no question is "Yes (or no) because (or WHY) this is so....." With an explanation of the reason why the answer was yes or no.

There answer is obviously  YES . And the reason is also obvious. The ship passing over the horizon is one of the most obvious proofs of the curvature of the earth which is obvious proof that the earth is not flat and proof that the earth is a globe. The average layman who has never been to sea might not be aware of this fact, but to any who has ever been to sea, it is just a common, almost every day occurence to observe ships as they come over the horizon or go over the horizon.
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Re: Physical Proof...
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2017, 02:33:01 AM »
The "sinking ship" phenomenon seems to be such a "hot button" item for both FE and RE believers - I'm inclined to just drop that debate and call it a draw.

Shadows cast by the sun is a tricky one too - in RE you'd expect a row of identical sticks stuck in the ground along a meridian line to cast equal length shadows - but the tilt of the Earth's axis complicates that simple idea to the point where you need some fancy (and therefore unconvincing) math to unravel what happens.   Similarly in FE, the position of the tiny sun and it's motions are not well described by the available sources (the Wiki, for example) - and the arguments about how sunrises and sunsets can happen are also somewhat flakey.

So that too is an area of debate that's hard to nail down.

I think the proof here lies in things like travel times and ranges of aircraft in the Southern regions - which are all subject to easy examination and super-simple measurements on available maps.

The motion of the stars close to and south of the equator is similarly easy to examine - and produces serious problems for FE theory.   There are PLENTY of time-lapse videos made by private individuals - along with a wealth of personal experience which are hard to deny as evidence.

My personal favorite is the phenomenon of there being two high tides and two low tides per day in the oceans of the world - which FE theory simply cannot explain.

The phases of the moon - and the simple observation of shadows cast within lunar craters makes for VERY tough problems for FE.

These seem to be the places where "proof" is to be found.

Of course, the FE proponents are reluctant to discuss these things - and simply vanish from threads when they don't have a good answer - rather than admitting that their theory needs work in order to remain credible.   Some intellectual honesty about such matters would be refreshing.

Additional problematic things - such as how FE theory can explain how objects fall to Earth when you drop them, are tricky to address because there are MULTIPLE FE theories attempting to explain them...and until you figure out which of these theories each FE proponent follows, debate can be quite tricky.   Here, their common mantra of "READ THE WIKI" fails because that tends to present just one (or very rarely, two) theories to explain a particular phenomenon - and in reality, their members here and elsewhere do not seem to follow those theories unanimously.

That's fine - people will clearly have differing views - but it can make debate difficult.

Still - I'd very much welcome some simple, informed debate - with both sides being respectful of the other's views - and with both sides remaining engaged in the discussion until either one side or the other is demonstrated to be correct...and clearly difficult topics for one side or the other can be explored - and perhaps either FE theory or RE theory may be found wanting and demand further thought.

But good debate seems hard to find around here - which is unfortunate.
Hey Tom:  What path do the photons take from the physical location of the sun to my eye at sunset?