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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2017, 03:39:07 AM »
The gif you supplied is the apparent ecliptic of the sun.  What is the "tilt" of the planetary plane?

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2017, 03:45:28 AM »
The gif you supplied is the apparent ecliptic of the sun.  What is the "tilt" of the planetary plane?

The sun and planets are one plane. Please follow along.

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2017, 03:55:19 AM »
Tom, I fully understand the change in the solar ecliptic throughout the year.  I'm looking for an explanation of why then planetary ecliptic declines while the solar ecliptic inclines.

If one side of a dish is tilted downwards, the other side of the dish will be tilted upwards. If the sun is low, the planets seen at night will be high.
You just stated that the "dish" was tilted.  What is the dish you are are referring to in the above quote?

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2017, 04:37:18 AM »
Tom, I fully understand the change in the solar ecliptic throughout the year.  I'm looking for an explanation of why then planetary ecliptic declines while the solar ecliptic inclines.

If one side of a dish is tilted downwards, the other side of the dish will be tilted upwards. If the sun is low, the planets seen at night will be high.
You just stated that the "dish" was tilted.  What is the dish you are are referring to in the above quote?

The sun and planets are on the same "dish", or "plane," or whatever you choose to call it.
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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2017, 04:47:11 AM »
So what angle is the "dish" tilted at compared to the earth?
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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2017, 05:06:51 AM »
So what angle is the "dish" tilted at compared to the earth?

The tilt changes throughout the year, and I provided an illustration which shows what angles it tilts between. The apparent angles in the sky it moves between are listed in the left margin:




This "dish" is constantly tilting throughout the year, or rather wobbling, with the sun being a fixed location on that wobbling dish. This means that when the sun is low whatever is on the opposite side of the dish is high, and when the sun is high, whatever is on the opposite night side is low.

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2017, 05:20:07 AM »
Does anyone have an idea of the difference in height between the sun's high and low periods?

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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2017, 12:38:45 PM »
Does anyone have an idea of the difference in height between the sun's high and low periods?
47 degrees.

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2017, 12:47:20 PM »
So what angle is the "dish" tilted at compared to the earth?

The tilt changes throughout the year, and I provided an illustration which shows what angles it tilts between. The apparent angles in the sky it moves between are listed in the left margin:




This "dish" is constantly tilting throughout the year, or rather wobbling, with the sun being a fixed location on that wobbling dish. This means that when the sun is low whatever is on the opposite side of the dish is high, and when the sun is high, whatever is on the opposite night side is low.
So the sun is changing it's distance from the surface of the earth as moves between the tropic of Capricorn​ and Cancer?  Is the sun at the center of the dish?

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2017, 02:16:44 AM »
Does anyone have an idea of the difference in height between the sun's high and low periods?
47 degrees.
I guess I should have worded that differently.  I meant the number of miles it varies from the standard "3,000" mile height figure.

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2017, 04:47:01 PM »
Tom, is the sun at the center of dish/plane?

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2017, 02:44:47 AM »
Tom, is the sun at the center of dish/plane?

No.

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2017, 03:08:02 AM »
Tom, is the sun at the center of dish/plane?

No.
What is the distance of the sun from the center?

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2017, 03:09:49 AM »
Tom, is the sun at the center of dish/plane?

No.
What is the distance of the sun from the center?

It depends on the time of the year.

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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2017, 03:24:01 AM »
Tom, is the sun at the center of dish/plane?

No.
What is the distance of the sun from the center?

It depends on the time of the year.
What is its distance right now?

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2017, 04:08:52 AM »
Tom, is the sun at the center of dish/plane?

No.
What is the distance of the sun from the center?

It depends on the time of the year.
What is its distance right now?

Figure out the present latitude of the sun and then find the distance between that latitude and the Northern Geographic Pole.

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Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2017, 04:11:19 AM »
And what is the present tilt angle of the "dish"?