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NASA is not fake.
« on: April 12, 2017, 12:56:44 PM »
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2017, 02:33:38 PM »
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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2017, 03:03:20 PM »
The Space Race wasn't about science, it was about getting your missiles into earth orbit first and claiming military superiority.

If the Soviets lie and say "space travel is possible, and we were able to get rockets there," why would the Americans then admit "actually, we found out that space travel does not seem feasible" in contradiction to popular science which had been postulating that space travel should be possible for hundreds of years? That is tactically disadvantageous.

The Space Race started immediately after WWII.  The competition was raging for 12 years from 1945 to 1957, with many failed rocket launches on both sides. Is it a coincidence that the US happened to achieve success with the Explorer I within just three months after Sputnik?

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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2017, 03:06:06 PM »
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA
Hoo boy, whenever someone opens a post with "here's this ONE WEIRD TRICK that proves me right", you know it's gonna be top quality reasoning and not an old argument that's already been beaten to death.

Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position?
Two possible reasons: Either they thought the other side is actually succeeding, or they already claimed they're totally going to space and felt slightly awkward about telling their governments that all those millions they laundered were, well, laundered. Going to jail/a labour camp was probably fairly low on their to-do list.

Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.
So, by your ace logic, since there are currently no nukes in orbit, it makes no difference whether or not nukes are at all feasible. I love it.

I guess we can de-escalate that whole North Korean thing then. After all, no North Korean nukes are in orbit, so it doesn't matter whether they're close to being able to launch one or not! Quickly, Rekt, get Trump on the line before it's too late!
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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2017, 03:19:18 PM »
The Space Race wasn't about science, it was about getting your missiles into earth orbit first and claiming military superiority.

If the Soviets lie and say "space travel is possible, and we were able to get rockets there," why would the Americans then admit "actually, we found out that space travel does not seem feasible" in contradiction to popular science which had been postulating that space travel should be possible for hundreds of years? That is tactically disadvantageous.

The Space Race started immediately after WWII.  The competition was raging for 12 years from 1945 to 1957, with many failed rocket launches on both sides. Is it a coincidence that the US happened to achieve success with the Explorer I within just three months after Sputnik?
The missiles are not in orbit, Tom! ICBMs never go into orbit! They are just extremely long ranged missiles!
That aside, Explorer 1 could have BEATEN sputnik if we weren't being morally righteous. We wanted to use a civilian rocket, the Juno 1, which was a derivative of the Redstone. We didn't want to use the Jupiter ICBM family due to it being developed chiefly by Werner Von Braun, a Nazi scientist.
Is it a coincidence that others developed planes right after the Wright Brothers' first flight? Is it a coincidence that any technology that is being vigorously pursued can happen several times, with only the first one being remembered?
There IS NO MILITARY SUPERIORITY in space. ICBMs do not give superiority, they end the world.
And ICBMs don't go into space until launched! They aren't in orbit! Nobody is trying to "get your missiles into earth orbit first" Until they are actually being USED to launch nukes they never move from their silo!

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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2017, 03:21:08 PM »
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA
Hoo boy, whenever someone opens a post with "here's this ONE WEIRD TRICK that proves me right", you know it's gonna be top quality reasoning and not an old argument that's already been beaten to death.

Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position?
Two possible reasons: Either they thought the other side is actually succeeding, or they already claimed they're totally going to space and felt slightly awkward about telling their governments that all those millions they laundered were, well, laundered. Going to jail/a labour camp was probably fairly low on their to-do list.

Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.
So, by your ace logic, since there are currently no nukes in orbit, it makes no difference whether or not nukes are at all feasible. I love it.

I guess we can de-escalate that whole North Korean thing then. After all, no North Korean nukes are in orbit, so it doesn't matter whether they're close to being able to launch one or not! Quickly, Rekt, get Trump on the line before it's too late!
I'm referring to Tom's continuing statements that this is about "Military superiority with nukes in orbit". The nukes aren't in orbit, ever, only trajectories, and that's only when they are launched. And nuclear showdowns are not about "domination", they are world-ending events.

Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2017, 04:51:06 PM »
I'm referring to Tom's continuing statements that this is about "Military superiority with nukes in orbit". The nukes aren't in orbit, ever, only trajectories, and that's only when they are launched. And nuclear showdowns are not about "domination", they are world-ending events.

How the fuck do you know? Do you know exactly what each and every "satellite" is equipped with when it is launched? Either "Star Wars" exists or space travel isn't possible or feasible. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN HELL that we haven't Weaponized space if it is even remotely possible.

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2017, 04:59:53 PM »
I'm referring to Tom's continuing statements that this is about "Military superiority with nukes in orbit". The nukes aren't in orbit, ever, only trajectories, and that's only when they are launched. And nuclear showdowns are not about "domination", they are world-ending events.

How the #### do you know? Do you know exactly what each and every "satellite" is equipped with when it is launched? Either "Star Wars" exists or space travel isn't possible or feasible. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN HELL that we haven't Weaponized space if it is even remotely possible.
What exactly is the strategic advantage?

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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2017, 04:40:28 AM »
How the fuck do you know? Do you know exactly what each and every "satellite" is equipped with when it is launched? Either "Star Wars" exists or space travel isn't possible or feasible. There is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE IN HELL that we haven't Weaponized space if it is even remotely possible.

That's a false dichotomy.  One could just as easily say "Either the Army has secret units composed of avenging angels, or angels don't exist".  One can easily believe in angels (reject statement #2) without believing we've weaponized them (reject statement #1)
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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2017, 08:23:37 PM »
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.

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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2017, 04:33:48 PM »
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.
Except for that whenever science is wrong it adjusts its model to fit new observations. The Nazis would have been the first to realize the earth was flat, with the first ever spaceflight being a V2.

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2017, 08:32:12 PM »
Except for that whenever science is wrong it adjusts its model to fit new observations. The Nazis would have been the first to realize the earth was flat, with the first ever spaceflight being a V2.

Except that's not true. Not on this type of scale anyway. I hear people make this remark all the time, but I've never seen it. What I have seen is something like the theory of relativity that helps aid along in what they can't explain. Science has never totally trashed what they once thought was truth and did a complete 180... not since people thought the earth was flat  ;D. Like I said, all of the most intelligent people on this earth have been saying we are a ball floating through space and only simpletons believe the earth is flat. You can believe that there are lizard people and be more credible than someone who believes in a flat earth. If everything we have known to be truth about the world we live on was a lie, you don't think people would revolt? You don't think NASA would be destroyed and scientist ridiculed on the same scale that flat earthers were ridiculed? If, and I'm using a big if, the earth is flat, there is no way we will ever definitively know.

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 09:48:35 AM »
You don't think NASA would be destroyed and scientist ridiculed on the same scale that flat earthers were ridiculed?

NASA may be destroyed but science will be just fine, all the better for it actually.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2017, 07:49:09 PM »
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.

Why start with the lie in the first place?
What's the reason of all this?
What's so important that apparently the whole world is working togheter to cover it up instead of working for world peace?

Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2017, 03:21:27 PM »
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.

Why start with the lie in the first place?
What's the reason of all this?
What's so important that apparently the whole world is working togheter to cover it up instead of working for world peace?

Money
Power
Money

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Re: NASA is not fake.
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2017, 06:50:41 PM »
A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.

Why start with the lie in the first place?
What's the reason of all this?
What's so important that apparently the whole world is working togheter to cover it up instead of working for world peace?

Money
Power
Money

Can you explain how faking a round Earth generates money and power?

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2017, 11:42:45 PM »
Can you explain how faking a round Earth generates money and power?

I'll give it a go.

The super elite abide in every country on earth, they are not neccessarly those in government but they control the outcomes. They have no problem with their own country's going to war occasionally as it makes them lots of money. They consider the majority of the worlds population as nothing more than worker bees, They spray us with poisons and dumb us down with chemicals hidden in our food and water. They set opposing political factions against each other to feign democracy but their ultimate agenda's are never questioned. They have won and we are owned.

And behind the scenes they are all laughing at us. 
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2017, 08:15:51 PM »
Can you explain how faking a round Earth generates money and power?

I'll give it a go.

The super elite abide in every country on earth, they are not neccessarly those in government but they control the outcomes. They have no problem with their own country's going to war occasionally as it makes them lots of money. They consider the majority of the worlds population as nothing more than worker bees, They spray us with poisons and dumb us down with chemicals hidden in our food and water. They set opposing political factions against each other to feign democracy but their ultimate agenda's are never questioned. They have won and we are owned.

And behind the scenes they are all laughing at us.
And that has what to do with the shape of the earth? ???
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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2017, 11:36:04 PM »
Oh! I know! Nothing...
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2017, 12:35:26 PM »
And that has what to do with the shape of the earth? ???

A flat earth points to a Creator,
The super elite worship the devil, they do not want the populace coming to that understanding.
The globe earth model devalues life and turns us all into cosmic dust particles.
Do what thou wilt, no God, no judgement, no morality, just make money and don't question.

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I do not represent every FE on this forum, I am probably in the minority,
 

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