Well, I won't deny, some of the churches in question make me quite uncomfortable as well. I am merely pointing out that the loss in religiosity in this country is predominantly from the liberal wing.The fact that the Bishop in charge of the Seaman's Church in Sweden actually recommended that crosses be removed from it and other churches, and that Muslim prayer rooms be opened in them in order to accommodate your Muslim guests should be an indicator that all is NOT well in the Kingdom. Granted, the suggestion was not acted upon, but the fact that someone was retarded enough to MAKE it...The fact that the Government only lists a 1.5% of Muslims simply indicates under-reporting. Having read the data myself, it simply states that a person is counted as a religious Muslim if they say they are. If they neglect to answer the question... I have Swedish friends myself. And no, I don't actually watch ANY TV, let alone Fox News. I consider the television to be a bane of our society, and so only really own one for my wife's sake. I read my news and get it on the radio.The reason crime rates are higher here is simple. We have 326 million people to control. There are nowhere near that many in Sweden, or Finland, or England, or what-have-you. Stupid question.Notice, even the website admits there are places where the police struggle to do their duty. A government will rarely admit the full truth of a situation like that. So, ask yourself, how much worse is it than they are letting on?
That argument is simply bullshit. So do it on a per-capita basis. Studies shows that the rates of murder, rape, corruption, state of health care, happiness, education etc are much worse in religious countries and states than in secular. In the 90s, a study even revealed that only 0.2% of the prison population in the US are atheist (agnostic). There's a tendency that states (US) with high murder rates are highly religious, while states with the lowest murder rates are among the least religious.
"The fact that the Government only lists a 1.5% of Muslims simply indicates under-reporting"Inventing stuff like this doesn't grant you the right to treat whatever you say as facts, when 1) You're obviously wrong and 2) You're not taking the time necessary to actually fact check your comments about European countries. This is so typically American it hurts. You're an ignorant, and thank you for proving that.
So the prayer room suggestion was turned down. That's good. What are you trying to prove with this? There'll always be people making ill-founded suggestions like this, like the stand-your-ground Law. The difference is that suggestions like that doesn't come to life here.
Quasi-socialist, eh? Is that your view on Europe? We're all holding hands and watch arte-noir movies together? The taxation here allows us to have free health care, free education, 5 (in average 6, for some 7) weeks vacation a year, 6 months maternity leave etc etc. We don't complain, simply because all in all, it works. I don't even know what your point is with that, other than shooting yourself in the foot with that remark. Your murder rate facts contradicts studies on the subject. Last time I checked, there was an increase of homicides that can be written off as justified related to the stand-your-ground law. The difference is cultural. The mindset is different. Our mindset is basically that people are not allowed to kill people. Your mindset is to implement exceptions. In 2015, the murder rate in Kansas was higher than that of new york. Same with Nebraska.
For some reason, I doubt the statistics for NY, KS, and NE, and that doesn't even mention CA and IL, or IA.
Your vaunted free health care is such that people who have the money often come here to get medical treatments in order to avoid the delays so common in Europe. This of course in no way justifies the mess of our health system, which admittedly could use reform.
We also have free vacation, albeit not as much. If you need that much holiday, you are lazy.
And the fact that your "culture" (I use the term loosely) does not allow a man to protect himself, his family, and his property, but would charge him with murder for defending himself against a would-be rapist and/or murderer, simply implies gross retardation on the part of your lawmakers and the morons who elect them.
European culture USED to have value and relevance. Now it is a disaster of immorality, cultural filth, and incivility. All you have to do is look at the attacks holding France hostage, in thrall to the Muslim animals she has allowed into the nation, to observe what I am talking about. I realise you may be too dense to do that... But there you are.
It doesn't really change anything regarding religion and flat earth.
Even I agree the minimum wage issue here IS an issue. But what is the point of paying someone US$20.00 an hour if you are going to tax them at 55%, as Belgium does? Furthermore, your whining about war simply means you,like most Europeans, are wusses. What we SHOULD do with Islamic State is go to the territory they control and carpet-bomb it so that anything larger than a cockroach ceases to exist. The same goes for Assad and Iran.Given that in most Scandinavian States, with Finland being a notable exception, the Churches, being a significant PART of the culture and tradition you claim to have, now ordain and marry homosexuals, and tolerate just about every other liberal perversion, I would say your vaunted culture and tradition has mostly been betrayed.I agree that the USA is a young country, and that carries weaknesses. But at least we are not quite yet at the State cultural-national suicide that most of Scandinavia has gotten to. The fact that our money has that motto on is not my personal preference, and it only started in the McCarthy era of the 1950's.
Yes, I do refer to Muslims as animals. I have read the Qur'an three times, and know some of it in Arabic. I have read the Haadith of the "Prophet". I have attended mosques. I know the threat of which I speak. The fact that YOU are too dim to realise the danger they represent is your problem, and not mine.
So I have won the argument.
Quote from: Poseidon on April 12, 2017, 02:04:01 PMSo I have won the argument. Lets see, carpet bomb them, check, homosexuals-perversion, check, Muslim=animals, check, flag on lawn, red-neck, check.Sometimes the last man speaking isn't the winner, It's just that mental case with a bible shouting from the hood of the SUV standing on bricks on his lawn, again, and there is no sport in shooting fish in a barrel, have fun.
Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet on April 12, 2017, 03:45:43 PMQuote from: Poseidon on April 12, 2017, 02:04:01 PMSo I have won the argument. Lets see, carpet bomb them, check, homosexuals-perversion, check, Muslim=animals, check, flag on lawn, red-neck, check.Sometimes the last man speaking isn't the winner, It's just that mental case with a bible shouting from the hood of the SUV standing on bricks on his lawn, again, and there is no sport in shooting fish in a barrel, have fun.That was just a retarded argument. Since I don't have a flag on the lawn, nor a Bible to thump (I do own many versions, just not for that purpose), and I have already stated my belief in Secularism. Keep in mind, that according to Sharia, which Muslims want to impose in any country in which they become the majority (there is already a Muslim political party in Holland that has as its stated purpose a REFUSAL to assimilate), atheists are punished by death. Christians and Jews may only exist if they pay a special Tax to do so, called the Jizyah Tax. They also are subject to all kinds of rules that make them Second Class citizens, such as not being able to serve as a witness in a court case involving a Muslim, men not being able to marry Muslim women, but the reverse being allowed and encouraged, being required to wear special clothing so they are immediately identifiable (shades of Nazism, anyone? The Qur'an and the Haadith had it first), and much more. You are succeeding in making yourself look like a blithering idiot. But please: do continue. It amuses me.
The ONLY one I really have serious issues with is Islam, simply because of their tendency to enjoy blowing crap up.
Now, on a purely PERSONAL level, I do believe the State should be separate from the Church =/= And Islam should be forbidden outright as a direct threat to the StateNow, on a purely PERSONAL level, I do believe the State should be separate from the Church =/= ALL religions should be obligated to register with the State
Mind blown. One must resist the urge to go apeshit.
For someone who uses insults to other peoples intelligence as a default you have a lot of gaps in your own knowledge. For instance;An estimated one-quarter of all black swans pairings are of homosexual males. They steal nests, or form temporary threesomes with females to obtain eggs, driving away the female after she lays the eggs, more of their cygnets survive to adulthood than those of different-sex pairs, possibly due to their superior ability to defend large portions of land. The same reasoning has been applied to male flamingo pairs raising chicks. One report on sheep cited below states:Approximately 8% of rams exhibit sexual preferences [that is, even when given a choice] for male partners (male-oriented rams) in contrast to most rams, which prefer female partners (female-oriented rams).Bison, Bonobo's, dolphins, elephants, giraffes, lions same sex relationships of both kinds have all been noted, up to 25% of female Japanese macaques in some troops.Peter Bockman, the scientific advisor of the exhibition Against Nature? in 2007, stated;No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue.I know your grubby little book and its backward thinking adherents don't like it, but it's true, which is one of the reasons why, the world would be a better place without it and them.