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There are no flat earth maps.

Actually, there are.
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Flat Earth General / Re: FES Think Tank - Week 1 Poll
« Last post by junker on Today at 02:33:35 AM »
the biggest hole in FE as there is no possible flat map that can be drawn using verifiable and proven distances.

Citation needed...
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Flat Earth General / Re: The Moon
« Last post by geckothegeek on Today at 02:31:25 AM »
The distance to the moon is solidly known. If you have a steady enough aim (Not your hand, some kind of system), a laser, a receiver, and good timing software for it, you can calculate using the speed of light as a known constant and the return time to get the distance. We have done this using the Lunar Rangefinding Receivers, left by the Apollo astronauts.

Amateur radio operators have also calculated the distance to the moon in their "Moon Bounce" experiments, using the speed of radio waves as a constant and the return time to get the distance. They have done this by transmitting radio signals to the moon, "bouncing" them off the moon's surface , and noting when they were received back on the earth.
The results compared with the known distance and it was not 3,000 miles. On one example the distance was calculated to be 238,150 miles.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplanes lit from below
« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 02:29:59 AM »
Side view drawings of Ancient Greek perspective theories do not translate into the real world. See this video:

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Moon
« Last post by geckothegeek on Today at 02:15:40 AM »
Many of the flat earth ideas would be true IF the earth WAS flat.
But the earth IS NOT flat.
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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How Big Is The NASA conspiracy?
« Last post by Curious Squirrel on Today at 01:52:58 AM »
OK so what do you think about my cousin then? it sounds like he is just being lied too.

IF you hold with FE beliefs then you'd have to say that right now, he's being lied to - but once he gets more deeply into the subject, there is no possibility that he could not learn "The Truth" - so he'd either have to sign up to the conspiracy - or "come out" as a Flat Earther and give up astronomy, which he'd then know were a pack of lies.

There are a LOT of astronomers in the world...I don't think any of them gave it up when they discovered that they'd be lied to for all this time...so for FE to be tenable, you'd have to believe that 100% of astronomers are intellectually dishonest people who signed up to the conspiracy...and that having done that, not a single one changed their minds and revealed the truth to the world.

That's not just true of the present day - the conspiracy must go back many hundreds of years.

Astronomers aren't liars. They are merely mistaken.

How about those Navy lookouts who can estimate the distance to the horizon ?
Are they merely mistaken ?

Untrustworthy murderers for hire.
Welp, that's some fucking gold. Thank you Tom. The Navy is a bunch of 'untrustworthy murderers for hire' holy shit. I love it. How can you bring yourself to trust a single person about anything they say then Tom? Oh wait, you don't appear to unless they say they believe in a Flat Earth. That's right. I guess that must mean every single one of us is a NASA shill huh?
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplanes lit from below
« Last post by Curious Squirrel on Today at 01:49:14 AM »
But light doesn't care about perspective does it? Light travels in straight lines. It doesn't matter if the sun appears to be touching the horizon, being 3 thousand miles above the Earth it will always have a larger than 0 angle above the horizon for the light to be coming from. You *have* to have a mechanism that changes this property of light then. Or the Earth isn't flat. Those are your options at this point Tom, no matter how you want to dance around them.

Who says that light doesn't care about perspective? How can the lands appear to ascend to eye level if they were not really ascending to your eye level? Can you see a bunny rabbit beyond your vanishing point?

You seem to think perspective is an illusion rather than physical manifestation of angles at distance.
If you think that then you have even less of an idea of what is being discussed than I thought. Perspective doesn't come into this at all. If I have a completely flat plane of land (Kansas is a prime example from your own wiki) and I look out over it, it appears to rise to the eye right? But did the elevation actually change? Did the ground actually, literally rise up to the level of my eye in that distance? No. Ergo, optical illusion. Same with the sun. No matter how far away you put the sun, since light travels in straight lines it will never reach a 0 degree angle upon the horizon. It will never hit the exact side of the sun. In fact, unless the Earth is incredibly large, it won't dip past 5 degrees (I would note, this assumes 20,000 miles between you and a location 6 hours time difference, making the Earth incredibly large, and even then it's only an 8.5 degree angle). So that means the sunlight is always coming in at an angle greater than 5 degrees above horizontal. Perspective, being an illusion of the eye as shown above, cannot account for the side angle upon the clouds then. Vanishing point and perspective have nothing to do with simple science. Unless you can show light bending, you cannot explain the angle of the sun upon the plane as coming from a location nearly parallel to the horizon line.
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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How Big Is The NASA conspiracy?
« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 01:45:44 AM »
OK so what do you think about my cousin then? it sounds like he is just being lied too.

IF you hold with FE beliefs then you'd have to say that right now, he's being lied to - but once he gets more deeply into the subject, there is no possibility that he could not learn "The Truth" - so he'd either have to sign up to the conspiracy - or "come out" as a Flat Earther and give up astronomy, which he'd then know were a pack of lies.

There are a LOT of astronomers in the world...I don't think any of them gave it up when they discovered that they'd be lied to for all this time...so for FE to be tenable, you'd have to believe that 100% of astronomers are intellectually dishonest people who signed up to the conspiracy...and that having done that, not a single one changed their minds and revealed the truth to the world.

That's not just true of the present day - the conspiracy must go back many hundreds of years.

Astronomers aren't liars. They are merely mistaken.

How about those Navy lookouts who can estimate the distance to the horizon ?
Are they merely mistaken ?

Untrustworthy murderers for hire.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplanes lit from below
« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 01:29:36 AM »
But light doesn't care about perspective does it? Light travels in straight lines. It doesn't matter if the sun appears to be touching the horizon, being 3 thousand miles above the Earth it will always have a larger than 0 angle above the horizon for the light to be coming from. You *have* to have a mechanism that changes this property of light then. Or the Earth isn't flat. Those are your options at this point Tom, no matter how you want to dance around them.

Who says that light doesn't care about perspective? How can the lands appear to ascend to eye level if they were not really ascending to your eye level? Can you see a bunny rabbit beyond your vanishing point?

You seem to think perspective is an illusion rather than physical manifestation of angles at distance.
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Flat Earth General / Re: The Moon
« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 01:15:55 AM »
You may as well point us to Aristotle's 2000 year old book which contains his perspective theory illustrations; which is right next to his book which tells us that flies spontaneously generate from rotting meat.