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Flat Earth Community / Deep Space Probes

« on: May 29, 2017, 12:48:35 PM »

I was curious how a deep space probe like Voyager etc. actually travels fast enough to get to other planets, considering the sun is moving along at 43,000 mph. I assume it has to do with velocity? Voyager 1 shows to travel at speeds of 38,610 mph. So velocity would need to be taken into account, so that Voyager and other deep space probes can get through space, right?

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Flat Earth Community / Inconsistencies in FE theory

« on: May 12, 2017, 08:54:31 PM »

I'd first like to start by stating that I am currently a Globe believer and I initially looked into Flat Earth Theory because it seemed so ridiculous. Once I got into it I realized that there are actually valid arguments for a flat earth. This really did shock me. I realize that there are a lot of valid explanations to the questions raised by FE'ers and some things that I don't see how could even be explained except for on a Globe. This got me thinking, though... Science has had the past 500 years to get their explanations in order. You can build pretty tight theories when you have all sorts of eyes on a problem and you're continually adjusting and forcing to get the outcome you want. I mean it took 100 years for the Theory of Relativity to be "proven". Science still can't explain or prove gravity. They "prove" it by dropping a mic, a la Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and saying "GRAVITY!". If I were to say God exists and you asked me how can I prove it and I pointed to everything around me and said "BOOM!", you would say that is not proof and they are not connected. I could say the same for gravity. The laws of gravity are never consistent, can't be messured and they can't actually explain how it works, only that it has to do with mass? (An over-simplification, I know).

My point is, this wave of FE'ers is new and given enough time I think they could backwards engineer some very compelling arguments. Some of things that people point to as proof we are on a globe work the same on a flat earth.

I don't know, just some thoughts I've been having.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: NASA is not fake.

« on: May 12, 2017, 08:32:12 PM »

Except for that whenever science is wrong it adjusts its model to fit new observations. The Nazis would have been the first to realize the earth was flat, with the first ever spaceflight being a V2.

Except that's not true. Not on this type of scale anyway. I hear people make this remark all the time, but I've never seen it. What I have seen is something like the theory of relativity that helps aid along in what they can't explain. Science has never totally trashed what they once thought was truth and did a complete 180... not since people thought the earth was flat  . Like I said, all of the most intelligent people on this earth have been saying we are a ball floating through space and only simpletons believe the earth is flat. You can believe that there are lizard people and be more credible than someone who believes in a flat earth. If everything we have known to be truth about the world we live on was a lie, you don't think people would revolt? You don't think NASA would be destroyed and scientist ridiculed on the same scale that flat earthers were ridiculed? If, and I'm using a big if, the earth is flat, there is no way we will ever definitively know.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth map is wrong

« on: May 09, 2017, 03:06:53 PM »

Yes, I also came to the flat earth theory with a fairly open attitude, and I also found that I learned a lot about perspective, refraction, astronomy and other topics while exploring this theory. However, over time I personally found that there were a lot more aspects of the flat earth theory that do not stand up to close scrutiny or analysis, whereas I have yet to find a criticism of the round earth model that is truly impossible to account for. That has been my journey with all of this, and I wish you all the best as you explore it for yourself.

As with most online forums and discussions, it is pretty easy to slip into personal attacks. So you may want to put on some protective gear when you post on here 

Thanks! Yes, I'm starting to learn a lot through this process. I don't want to be guilty of cognitive dissonance, so I am truly open to the truth. I'm not starting from a point of bias where I'm trying to fit truth into my belief. Truth can stand to scrutiny. I've just blindly believed things without understanding, because that's what we were taught. I have hit a place in my life where that isn't good enough and I need to understand it better. I'm actually grateful for flat earth theory because it has made me question and challenge what I know. Truth always finds you, though, if you are honest about it.

I know that you can't take attacks online personally, but I always appreciate being treated respectfully.   

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth map is wrong

« on: May 09, 2017, 11:47:11 AM »

Since you like getting your education from YouTube here is one from a pilot explaining just why that would be.

Thanks for the video. I realize you're probably annoyed with Flat Earther's, so I'll overlook the condescending tone in your previous post, but I promise I am not coming in here with an agenda. I'm questioning things I've never questioned before, so I'm really just looking for answers.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth map is wrong

« on: May 09, 2017, 11:39:42 AM »

The flight was from Taipei, Taiwan to LA: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mom-gives-birth-19-hour-flight-from-taiwan_us_561ea2d2e4b050c6c4a3e94d

If you connect those two locations on a globe, you will quickly discover that like most flights, the shortest route is what is called a great circle route. On a flat map, that kind of route appears curved, but on a sphere or a globe, that curved path is the shortest route. Here is a website that allows you to calculate the shortest route on a spherical earth:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=tpe-lax

And guess what, the great circle route from Taipei (not Bali) to Los Angleles goes fairly close to Anchorage, Alaska. At the very least, halfway through that flight, Anchorage would have been the closest major airport as most of the flight is over the open ocean

See this page for a record of a recent China Airlines flight along with a map of the flight path: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAL8/history/20170428/1550Z/RCTP/KLAX

This kind of flight path is not proof either way as it has a strong north/south component and is located in the northern hemisphere so it would appear to follow a similar path on the north pole azimuthal projection which the flat earthers use. The best way to see how different a flight path can be on a round earth versus a flat earth is to compare the path of a mostly east/west flight in the southern hemisphere such as the flights discussed here: https://www.metabunk.org/flat-earth-theory-debunked-by-short-flights-qf27-qf28-from-australia-to-south-america.t6483/

The second picture in that other thread shows very clearly how on a globe a "curved" path is actually a straight line when viewed from above.

Nirmala,
I appreciate the response. I don't claim to know a lot about how this stuff works and I've been reading and watching videos that both attempt to prove and debunk a flat earth. I'm not an FE'er, but there are a lot of things that don't make sense, on either side, to me. I continually tell myself, regardless of flat earth or globe, I am learning things that I slept through in school. Thanks for taking the time to explain things without being condescending.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth map is wrong

« on: May 08, 2017, 08:56:33 PM »

Please explain how it shows on the flat earth maps why it is a longer distance from Australia to south America than it is from uae  to Australia? Also when I flew from Doha to Melbourne I flew over Indian ocean but you can't go that route on the flat earth map, the flat earth has you over India . also if you circumnavigate earth if it is a globe then it can travel in a straight path round and on flat earth you go in a circle so you stop going straight and start adding time and distance.? If maps wrong then how can it be fixed without changing distance between the different points?

A Taiwanese woman gave birth 6 hours into a flight from Bali to LAX, which is 19 hour flight. They had to make an emergency landing in Anchorage Alaska, which is a 23 hour flight from Bali to Alaska. 6 hours into a flight from Bali to LAX and you go over 2,000 miles off course to get to Alaska? That emergency landing doesn't make sense on a globe. It does on a Flat Earth map, though. On a Flat Earth map, Anchorage is in the middle of Bali and LAX.

I don't know if that proves anything, but it sure is suspicious.

What the video below or just google "Taiwanese woman gives birth on plane" and see for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR6fQ1zkBhA

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Flat Earth Community / Re: NASA is not fake.

« on: May 08, 2017, 08:23:37 PM »

A simple argument can dispel all conspiracies about NASA: Why didn't the Soviets disprove it? And why wouldn't America disprove soviet successes such as Sputnik to give themselves a more prominent position? A rebuttal of an entire space program that is a main source of national pride would be a HUGE propaganda coup, and why wouldn't the Americans disprove the Soviet's missions or the Soviets disprove NASA's missions? You could say that they wanted to preserve themselves, but what about North Korea? They have no space program, the technology to show that there is nothing in space, and the hatred of America as a motive!
(Before Tom Bishop says something about the "Domination of space" and "ICBMs in orbit", let me tell him that ICBMs are stored in silos firmly rooted in the ground. If they have launched and are in orbit, that means that someone has started a nuclear war. There are no nukes in orbit.)

So if the earth is actually flat there is a very plausible reason why every government would lie and go with the idea that America and the rest of the world could and have made it to outer space. The obvious answer is that for 500 years we have been told that the earth is round, 93 millions miles away from the sun, spinning 1,000 mph as we circle the sun all while hurling through space at 56,000 mph. Then we sink billions of dollars into a space program to show us this ball. What happens if we find the earth to be flat and that we can't get out of our atmosphere? All of science becomes a joke! Every "intellectual" that droned on and on about how people who think the earth is flat are stuck in the dark ages now becomes an imbecile. Everything we've been told and believed would be proven a lie. If they fooled us about this, what else are they attempting to fool us about? What is to be believed?

That's a lot of egg on the face of science.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Feeling the rotation of the moon?

« on: April 30, 2017, 03:08:20 PM »

It has nothing to do with gravity and the atmosphere.  Take a look at the thresholds found in this study and compare the acceleration of a rotating earth or moon.
https://bmcearnosethroatdisord.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1472-6815-5-5

Thanks for this. I've just recently started researching. I, like I assume most, just took everything I've been told as truth without understanding the why. I still don't know where I stand on flat earth or globe, but I have realized that there is enough oddities that I think the questioning is valid.

Thanks for the article. Reading it now. Glad to at least educate myself on these subjects.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Feeling the rotation of the moon?

« on: April 30, 2017, 02:56:13 PM »

The ability to feel rotation has to do with inner ears threshold to perceive acceleration.  If the acceleration is below the ears threshold then no motion is detected.  The acceleration caused by the rotation of the earth is half of what studies have found the inner ear is able to detect.

Got it. Thanks!

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Feeling the rotation of the moon?

« on: April 30, 2017, 02:55:49 PM »

Yeah, I just realized I read the moons rotation wrong. The information I saw said "The Moon orbits Earth at a speed of 2,288 miles per hour". I hastily put my post together. I do realize there is some gravity and no atmosphere. The main question I had was, when would you ever feel rotation? Does science just say that it's never possible to feel rotation. Because we are told we can't feel earth's rotation because of relativity and the atmosphere, so what is the explanation on the moon. Is it gravity? Is it that it's a slower rotation? Just curious what the official explanation is.

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Flat Earth Community / Feeling the rotation of the moon?

« on: April 30, 2017, 02:38:22 PM »

We all know that we are told that we don't feel the rotation of the earth because of relativity and the atmosphere moving due to gravity etc. The thought then hit me; why didn't he astronauts feel the rotation of the moon? What is the explanation? Is it because there is no gravity or atmosphere? The moon rotates at 2288 miles an hour. That's over a thousand miles faster than the earth. I tried to look for an answer but couldn't really find anything. Anyone have an explanation for this, or came across one?