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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Ironic
« on: Today at 04:20:24 PM »
"They" meaning the conspirators, not the public. Sorry I wasn't clear.

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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA is not fake.
« on: Today at 12:54:30 PM »
Nobody is trying to cover up the shape of the earth, only that space travel isn't real. The conspirators most likely don't know that the earth is flat. As RE'ers here like to remind us, everybody was certain that the earth was round long before anyone went into space.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Ironic
« on: Today at 04:29:22 AM »
So you are saying they fake pictures to make it seem like it's what they believe?

I don't understand how you could have possibly interpreted this from what I said.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Ironic
« on: Today at 02:36:13 AM »
Nobody is willfully trying to cover up the fact that the earth is flat. The conspirators most likely don't know that the earth is flat, and are simply portraying it as such in their faked data/pictures because that's what they expect it to be.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 21, 2017, 07:24:17 PM »
It's a good thing we didn't elect that warmongerer Hillary, who would now undoubtedly be arming our enemies in her efforts to start WWIII:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/us-saudi-arabia-seal-weapons-deal-worth-nearly-110-billion-as-trump-begins-visit.html


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 21, 2017, 04:09:36 PM »
Trump notoriously refused to release his tax returns or divest from his business interests, and continues to use his office to drum up more business for himself with his frequent, expensive trips to his own properties - much of those expenses being paid directly to Trump’s own businesses for things like catering and accommodation. Trump isn't just every bit as corrupt as any other politician, he also insults our intelligence by being so blatant about it. And while Republicans obviously aren't enthusiastic about him being the president, they aren't being nearly hard enough on him to indicate that they want him gone.

I do agree that Trump is the lolwut of Washington, though.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 21, 2017, 01:02:37 PM »
In other news, memes!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/donald-trump-robert-mueller-appointment/

it's just memes guys Trump totally isn't trying to cover this up at all it's just memes

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 20, 2017, 05:40:56 PM »
Of course the matter would be pressed further, because it would be of enormous importance to Russian-American relations. But this time it would focus on Russia, not Trump, because implicating a failed presidential candidate is of far less interest than implicating the actual president - just like implicating Hillary for any DNC shenanigans now is of far less interest than implicating her if she had won the election.
Would you agree that treating something as serious but not a top priority is different from trying to completely ignore something and hoping it goes away?

Sure. Look, I'm not happy with what happened with the DNC, and I don't want to see the issue "go away." I was responding to Rushy's claim that the Russian drama was invented to draw attention away from the DNC scandal, which is nonsensical.

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I vote based on my political beliefs, not on what I think of the party's leadership. And you know perfectly well that I didn't vote against Trump because of the alleged Russian connection.
So you'd vote for a known corrupt candidate if he said the things you like to hear? That seems to be the name of the game in American politics these days, and look where that got you. This time, I'm talking about the state of both parties.

I didn't vote for Hillary because she said things I like to hear; I voted for her because the alternative was someone who was clearly unsuited for the office in virtually every single conceivable way and would undoubtedly turn out to be the worst president in the history of the nation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:52:09 AM »
So, let us for a moment assume that Trump lost. Bernie's in office (let's face it, a hypothetical scenario in which Hillary wins is just too much), but the meme-conspiracy has already been started. The meme-conspiracy theorists believe that Russia tried to install Trump and failed.

Do you:
  • Ignore it because it no longer matters; after all, the Russian meddling wasn't such a big deal, and we should focus on the president instead
  • Press the matter further because Russian meddling is serious business and the American people clearly care and also it is very important and the Soviets did the same thing before and oh no
Choose wisely!

Of course the matter would be pressed further, because it would be of enormous importance to Russian-American relations. But this time it would focus on Russia, not Trump, because implicating a failed presidential candidate is of far less interest than implicating the actual president - just like implicating Hillary for any DNC shenanigans now is of far less interest than implicating her if she had won the election.

They are trying to make sure people like you stay on the reservation, Saddam. The DNC politically murdered your preferred candidate and you voted for Hillary anyway because Trump is a scary Russian puppet. It takes a lot of effort to keep that level of fearmongering up and the last thing they want is people to be reminded of the DNC corruption again.

There's obviously political reasons as to why Fox talks about DNC corruption nonstop and CNN talks about Trump and Russia nonstop. It's not rocket science, it doesn't even require a stretch of the imagination. Both parties are trying to destroy the other, and quite frankly, the Republicans are winning.

I vote based on my political beliefs, not on what I think of the party's leadership. And you know perfectly well that I didn't vote against Trump because of the alleged Russian connection.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 19, 2017, 09:34:07 PM »
Tom is right. The constant barrage of empty conspiracy theories about Trump and Russia are meant as a distraction from the DNC leaks. These allegations aren't targeted at Trump supporters, since they've been dealing with this for almost two years now, this distraction is meant for people who voted for Hillary in the first place. They want to make sure that voters don't settle with Trump and start reviewing Hillary's record during the election. In other words, the DNC is not trying to get Trump voters to vote Democrat, they're scrambling to ensure that Democrat voters keep voting Democrat even after it has been revealed that the entire DNC is thoroughly corrupt. They want Bernie voters to forget that the DNC destroyed Bernie just to push a losing candidate forward.

The Democrats were devastated in Congress, obliterated in the Executive branch and demolished across state legislature races. Their power is now almost pathetically nonexistent and this conspiracy gibberish is the only outlet they have left. They want to convince everyone the current administration is full of traitors and people that can't be trusted so that you turn around and vote them back in. It's a desperate move from a desperate party.

Why the hell would anybody waste their time worrying about Hillary? She's not the president, Trump is. It's not a conspiracy that people are more concerned with what the President of the United States is up to than his defeated opponent, who no longer holds any office at all.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 19, 2017, 06:15:51 PM »
Influenced how? If you mean that their media and leaders openly endorsed him and spread some dubious rumours worldwide to boost his popularity - sorry, that's hardly controversial. They can voice their views much like anyone else. The alternative would be censorship of the media, which would be a bigger issue.

So, yes, one can make a reasonable claim that Russia tried to influence the election, that Macedonian NEETs tried to influence the election, that Fox News tried to influence the election, that CNN did it, or even that garygreen did it. The reason why I don't find that notable is that while these claims are likely completely true, they're also simply business as usual.

All you're saying here is that you personally don't care, which is something that you've been saying a lot over the past few months. Surely you must have noticed by now that the media, the U.S. government, and the American people don't share your general lack of concern? Constantly using your own apathy as a measure for whether or not something deserves attention is not going to lead anywhere productive.

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That's also why the media narrative doesn't focus on it - it's simply not news. Hence the constant implications of collusion, treason, and covert actions that dominate the discussion.

So yeah, if you don't believe in the meme-conspiracy and instead think that media and hostile governments did what media and hostile governments always do: good on you, you happen not to be patently retarded. But it doesn't do anything to justify the paranoia and disruption to the political process that the Democrats are introducing entirely by themselves.

You're greatly exaggerating the supposed outlandishness of the current situation. If Russia was eager to swing the election in favor of Trump, it's entirely within the realm of possibility that one of the many Trump aides with ties to Russia might have been clued in to what was going on in order to take best advantage of it. That's not paranoid, it's not a meme, and it's not retarded. It would be far more retarded to promptly dismiss it the way you're doing.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 18, 2017, 01:04:21 PM »
I don't think Trump is a spy or anything like that. He almost certainly just finds the idea that Russia helped him get elected to be embarrassing and politically-damaging, but he's gone so far in his efforts to downplay or dismiss it that it's coming across as a cover-up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 18, 2017, 03:48:49 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 16, 2017, 12:37:53 PM »
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the president has the authority to disclose even the most highly classified information at will
oh ok

You are very easily satisfied if that's your only concern.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 16, 2017, 01:29:41 AM »

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: May 14, 2017, 02:38:07 PM »
capeshit capeshit

Logan (James Mangold, 2017)

This was great. My one gripe with it was the Wolverine clone. The idea of giving Wolverine an evil counterpart has been played out (in one form or another) by the franchise to death now, it was an unwelcome dose of goofiness to a movie that was clearly making a point of staying on the gritty end of the capeshit spectrum, and most importantly of all, it just wasn't necessary. Logan's deteriorating physical condition and diminishing healing already provided all the stakes and tension needed for the fights. Everything else was solid, though. The acting was good from everyone (even the guy playing the villain, whom I was dreading after how obnoxious I found him in Narcos), the music was nice, and overall, the film was a worthy finale for the titular character.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Modern Feminism
« on: May 13, 2017, 07:00:00 PM »
White men are doomed! Nooooooooooo!!!!

"I can see this house is on fire, but it's fine because there are so many more houses and the fire can't get them all"

Okay, bro. This is a story about a crazy lady who threw bricks at a dude's car, in response to which a number of women made some jokes on Facebook. You might as well be worried for the future of Christianity because of articles like this. Note the comments, too!!!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 13, 2017, 05:52:44 PM »
I bet Obama wouldn't eat two scoops of ice cream to everybody else's one!


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