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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: Today at 03:48:50 PM »
I liked it just for the spectacle, but there's no doubt that it's a narrative mess. Like, Gendry runs back to the Wall, sends a raven to Dany, and Dany shows up with her dragons, all in the space of...a night? Maybe a day and a night? And it really bugged me that the episode kept changing its mind about how many redshirts were part of the expedition. We'd clearly see in an establishing shot that there were only two or three, who then get killed, but later on a few more appear out of thin air so that they can get killed too.

But the real issue is, again, Arya and Sansa. Arya is angry about nothing. Absolutely nothing. It's plot-mandated angst. I get that Littlefinger is apparently trying to pit them against each other, but Arya's baffling stupidity is doing virtually all of the work here. Have they forgotten that they literally have access to a near-omniscient godchild who could easily clear this whole issue up for them?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: Today at 03:20:42 AM »
<Saddam> It's worse in the books
<Saddam> [Robb] marries a lady because he knocked her up

My mistake, he just banged her and felt that he ought to marry her afterward. She wasn't even pregnant. The books also take great pains to frame his marriage as being an incredibly stupid decision, as opposed to the show making him more sympathetic by giving him a genuine romance with an actual character. Also, Rushy is obviously trolling, stop feeding him.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 19, 2017, 03:52:57 AM »
<Rushy> Saddam: robb wasn't actually very noble
<Saddam> He was a tragic hero in the Shakespearian tradition
<Rushy> he ignored his pledge to a lord and married some hot nobody just because she was hot
<Saddam> He married her because he loved her, you scrub
<Rushy> he also beheaded lord karstark for dumb reasons, basically mimicking what joffrey did
<Saddam> It's worse in the books
<Saddam> He marries a lady because he knocked her up
<Rushy> I think the mimicry of what joffrey did was pretty important in and of itself
<Saddam> He beheaded Karstark for murdering innocent children
<Saddam> If any crime deserves instant execution, it's that
<Rushy> it's still a dumb reason to execute the leader of your largest faction
<Saddam> And the option of keeping him alive was presented in the interests of political gain, not mercy
<Rushy> by executing him for his crimes, he caused the deaths of many more people
<Saddam> This illustrates Robb's tragic flaw
<Saddam> His lack of necessary political cunning
<Saddam> Just like his father
<Saddam> I'm not saying that everything he did was 100% right and what needed to be donw
<Saddam> done*
<Rushy> his father's mistake was just plain hilarious
<Rushy> telling cersei to her face "I know your kids are incest babies you should leave lol"
<Rushy> what a memester
<Saddam> They both follow the path of Brutus from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar
<Saddam> A noble man who can't set aside his sense of honor to do the smart thing
<Rushy> also everyone seems to have magically forgotten that Arya hates Sansa, but I guess without the books that isn't as obvious
<Saddam> Their hatred of each other was based in stupid, childish things
<Rushy> not without her reasons though, I mean Sansa really is a frigid bitch, the show seems to pad it a bit
<Saddam> Unless you're talking about the leaked episode - have you seen it yet?
<Rushy> no
<Saddam> Ah, then I shall say no more lest you swing the banhammer
<Rushy> indeed
<Saddam> Gendry swings the best hammer
<Saddam> Years of rowing have transformed him into a master of blunt weaponry
<Rushy> surprised that the show doesn't have more people using blunt weapons
<Rushy> everyone seems to use swords, which makes little sense, as swords are more expensive to produce and aren't useful against people wearing plate armor, which seems to be unnaturally common
<Rushy> nearly everyone has either plate or chainmail, and it's hilariously runescape levels of common across the continent
<Saddam> Armies typically distribute equipment to their soldiers
<Rushy> it's still too common in their world, this is one thing I liked more in Witcher, where armored opponents were genuinely more rare
<Rushy> metal refining, metal working, etc. in the time that GoT appears to exist in is atrociously expensive, the majority of an army would be leatherbound, with chainmail troops being your "elite" and then a few plated knights
<Rushy> instead, you have a meme where the entire lannister army has plate armor, which doesn't make sense, even considering that they're supposed to be very wealthy
<Rushy> very well crafted plate armor, mind you, not some generic mass produced iron plates that just strap to the chest
<Rushy> however they forgot to equip them with dragonbreath shields
<Rushy> what a noob mistake

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 18, 2017, 03:37:10 PM »
I don't see this as a separate subject just because of the race or ideology of the attacker. Trump is quick to condemn and beat his chest when it's a Muslim who commits the attack. When it's a white nationalist, he awkwardly fumbles about with "both sides" equivocation and asides about who had permits. That last one isn't true either, by the way.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 18, 2017, 02:31:33 PM »
I can imagine quite a few legitimate reasons for why Trump didn't want to address nazis et al. right away (other than pandering). One of them being that the nazi boogeyman is massively overblown by left-leaning media. How many actual nazis or white nationalists do you think there were in that protest? Sure, there were some I'd imagine, but certainly not all of them. And those some likely weren't involved in the violence at all.

Condemning hateful ideologies in general is fine and dandy, but let's not blame people for something they probably didn't do. Let's just condemn all violence in one statement and the ideologies in another, which is what happened.

Nice rationalization, but we both know that Trump is utterly incapable of this level of restraint and nuance. If it had been a Muslim who did this, an illegal immigrant, or a leftist, the self-congratulatory shitposts would be flying thick and fast from Trump, as we've seen multiple times in the past. But now suddenly Trump's thoughtful, patient side emerges? Bullshit.

Well, it didn't take long for Trump to prove me right on this.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 17, 2017, 04:57:18 AM »
This is book lore and has very little impact on show lore.

Well, yeah, of course it's book lore. You've seen the show; you know just as much show lore as we do. But yes, they could change how this works, just like how they changed the Faceless Men to be totally cool with Arya abusing their training and what they see as an important religious duty for her own agenda. I'm not sure why they'd bother in this case, though.

That being said, upon reviewing the (book) lore, I've discovered that I'm giving the dragonlords too much credit. There are a few historical cases of people with no Valyrian lineage who have managed to tame wild dragons. And the dragonlords generally raised and trained their dragons from a very young age - and even then only getting mixed results. It's most likely just mundane animal training, not any kind of magical bond.

The Red Wedding happened because Rob stopped being the "good guy", he made several immoral or just plain stupid mistakes in a row and effectively got himself killed. It doesn't go against the "good guy vibe" of the show.

That is ridiculous. Robb's death, just like Ned's, was shocking and effective precisely because he was so noble. Their fatal errors lay in their judgment, not their character.

Also, one question I have is: are the show's creators working with Georgo to make sure the show plot lines up with what will be in the final book, or are there going to be two separate storylines?

There are already two separate storylines. The creators have said that they know roughly how the books will end and want to match them up by the conclusion, but I doubt that will happen.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 16, 2017, 07:41:13 PM »
The next episode just leaked. It was good overall, and without spoiling anything, it confirms one of the more infamous leaks from last year. The biggest problem is Arya. Her stupid grudge against Sansa makes no sense, and neither does her continued creepy, threatening behavior.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: August 16, 2017, 06:50:50 PM »



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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2017, 06:40:14 PM »
Well, it's not unusual to hesitate when it comes to condemning entire groups based on the actions of one person. For some reason, the left has unequivocally agreed that in this case it's perfectly fine, yet I didn't see anyone in the MSM lambast Obama for failing to condemn BLM for Dallas shootings.

Well, yeah, people don't really equivocate BLM and Nazis.

That's fine, but Trump didn't condemn just nazis, nor was he expected to, because 1) not everyone in the protest were nazis, and 2) the driver of the car very likely wasn't one. Trump was expected to condemn essentially all of alt-right, based on a lone actor whose affiliations are unknown, and some fisticuffs from people whose affiliations were also unknown.

Call them whatever you want. #NotAllAlt-Right is a bizarre hill to die on, and yes, people expected the President of the United States to condemn them and their bullshit ideology. And so far, the available evidence suggests that James Fields was most likely one of them.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2017, 05:47:39 PM »
Well, it's not unusual to hesitate when it comes to condemning entire groups based on the actions of one person. For some reason, the left has unequivocally agreed that in this case it's perfectly fine, yet I didn't see anyone in the MSM lambast Obama for failing to condemn BLM for Dallas shootings.

Well, yeah, people don't really equivocate BLM and Nazis.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2017, 03:06:24 PM »
I can imagine quite a few legitimate reasons for why Trump didn't want to address nazis et al. right away (other than pandering). One of them being that the nazi boogeyman is massively overblown by left-leaning media. How many actual nazis or white nationalists do you think there were in that protest? Sure, there were some I'd imagine, but certainly not all of them. And those some likely weren't involved in the violence at all.

Condemning hateful ideologies in general is fine and dandy, but let's not blame people for something they probably didn't do. Let's just condemn all violence in one statement and the ideologies in another, which is what happened.

Nice rationalization, but we both know that Trump is utterly incapable of this level of restraint and nuance. If it had been a Muslim who did this, an illegal immigrant, or a leftist, the self-congratulatory shitposts would be flying thick and fast from Trump, as we've seen multiple times in the past. But now suddenly Trump's thoughtful, patient side emerges? Bullshit.

So you would agree that if this weren't Trump we're talking about, his statements would be fine?

I might be more willing to believe that it was a sincere plea for a measured response if it was coming from anybody but Trump, but I highly doubt that any other politician would hesitate to condemn such an unsavory group, in large part because no other politician is that reliant on racists making up a significant part of their base. All I'm saying is that it stands out as being especially out of character for Trump, given everything that we know about his temperament and usual responses to attacks.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 15, 2017, 11:02:09 PM »
I can imagine quite a few legitimate reasons for why Trump didn't want to address nazis et al. right away (other than pandering). One of them being that the nazi boogeyman is massively overblown by left-leaning media. How many actual nazis or white nationalists do you think there were in that protest? Sure, there were some I'd imagine, but certainly not all of them. And those some likely weren't involved in the violence at all.

Condemning hateful ideologies in general is fine and dandy, but let's not blame people for something they probably didn't do. Let's just condemn all violence in one statement and the ideologies in another, which is what happened.

Nice rationalization, but we both know that Trump is utterly incapable of this level of restraint and nuance. If it had been a Muslim who did this, an illegal immigrant, or a leftist, the self-congratulatory shitposts would be flying thick and fast from Trump, as we've seen multiple times in the past. But now suddenly Trump's thoughtful, patient side emerges? Bullshit.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 15, 2017, 03:48:53 AM »
Edit: also something really bugs me about the whole half-dragon thing of the Targaryen ever explained? How is it that they're half-dragon? I'm betting the Lord of Light gave them this ability somehow, otherwise we have to assume the biological route, which is, uhh, well it's better than the incest I guess.

lore lore lore

They're not literally half-dragon. The ruling families of Valyria had a sort of intuitive magic that allowed them to communicate with and control dragons, which the Targaryens have managed to preserve in their bloodline through hundreds of years of inbreeding. The same magic is what gave Dany her invulnerability to fire. Also, R'hllor, the Lord of Light, doesn't have any real connection to Valyria, the Targaryens, or dragons beyond the shared use of fire.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 15, 2017, 03:31:00 AM »
The only place the Republicans and Trump have been supporting the KKK/Naizis are in the imaginations of Antifa and all who agree with them.

And judging by how enthusiastically they've embraced Trump, also in the imaginations of said KKK/Nazis/racists.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 13, 2017, 01:37:54 PM »
Of course Trump won't specifically blame racists for the ugly scene they created and the crime one of them committed. They're a key part of his base, and so he can't afford to isolate them.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: August 11, 2017, 04:41:34 AM »
I also meant to comment on the news that the Flash movie will be an adaptation of Flashpoint. It seems like a really weird choice to turn his first solo movie into what'll essentially be another event movie. Some people have suggested that WB might use the time-travel/alternate-universe shenanigans involved as a way to retcon out the poorly-received elements of the DCEU, and/or possibly replace Batfleck with a younger actor with less A-list pull. But really, though, we all know that this is just going to be a grimdark Batman movie in disguise, starring Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Lauren Cohan as the alt-Batman and alt-Joker, respectively. The Flash himself might occupy the same role that Wolverine did in DoFP, but the movie won't truly be about him.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: August 09, 2017, 06:43:54 PM »
It might be argued that, as the majority religion in the US, Christianity can afford to take it, whereas a minority faith who regularly receive persecution and abuse for their belief could probably be spared Dawkins' increasingly unhinged babblings.

It's because Christians won't blow you up for criticizing their religion. Muslims will.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 09, 2017, 04:37:04 PM »
Also Arya isn't a little girl anymore and she has been taught how to fight by some of the best in the world

I suppose I'll have to let this go. I just wish that last season they had shown Arya at least holding her own against the Waif in their sparring sessions, rather than it being a one-sided beatdown every time until the climax. I understand what the intention was, but I feel it was very poorly portrayed by the show.

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and this is a fantasy story, what a weird thing to nitpick.

"not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls"

Also, while I like the idea of Bran being more fatalistic and detached, they went a bit overboard turning him that autistic.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 09, 2017, 04:18:05 AM »
>tfw nobody is talking about this season

I started to write a thing complaining about Arya's skills again, and then the ending happened and holy shit.

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