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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 27, 2017, 01:45:43 PM »
Guys shoving another world leader is no big deal. I mean it was just the prime minister of Montenegro, it's not like he punched Angela Merkel or anything. You need to put it in perspective.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Physical Proof...
« on: May 26, 2017, 01:43:37 AM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.

You don't even explain why it doesn't disprove Flat Earth you just say no

Answering a yes/no question with a no? Despicable.  >o<

WHY doesn't it disprove Flat Earth was the question.

Lol no, read it again.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Physical Proof...
« on: May 25, 2017, 11:08:59 PM »
What can explain the fact that there are different shadows around the world at different times?
Different how?


In addition, doesn't the fact that the mast of a ship appears first disprove flat earth?
No.

You don't even explain why it doesn't disprove Flat Earth you just say no

Answering a yes/no question with a no? Despicable.  >o<

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: May 25, 2017, 12:35:58 PM »
Oh that's right. I forgot he was on Legends. I stopped watching that one because they can't make time travel work either and the show is all about time travel. And Savage really is Flash's best villain in the comics, what a waste.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: May 25, 2017, 02:03:52 AM »
Just finished season three of The Flash. This show is really fucking bad. Holy shit.

It definitely has its flaws. It has some good things going for it though. I rolled my eyes at the more serious-minded stuff but really enjoyed the more humor-oriented episodes this season. They have to stop using time travel as a shortcut for plot development because they have no clue how to make it make sense, from either a logical or a character perspective. They also have to stop making the Big Bad another speedster every fucking season because it's just lazy. Where is Vandal Savage?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 25, 2017, 01:55:01 AM »
I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.

Do you believe in Antarctica as the ice ring / or / ice wall ?

I believe in the possibility. There appears to be reason to believe that traveling south from any point on Earth you will eventually run into a frozen barrier, so obviously if the model of FE with the north pole in the center is correct, and this is true, it logically follows that the Ice Wall exists. Many people have observed this barrier so there's no question it exists in some form; it's just a question of whether it encircles the Earth or is its own continent, and that's not a question I'm personally equipped to answer.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Dome
« on: May 24, 2017, 11:16:55 PM »
I don't believe in the dome. It's silly to believe in something that has never been observed.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Deception to prove a point?
« on: May 24, 2017, 10:48:59 PM »
You'd probably have to ask whoever made the video.

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Markjo, I'm not sure if you realize... I am not discounting the possibility that extraterrestrial life exists. I am pointing out that at present we have no proof that extraterrestrial life exists and that's something entirely different. So when you say "you sure about that?", well, the answer is obviously no. And neither are you, and that's my point. The article you link is intriguing but it's far from enough to state that extraterrestrial life exists with certainty, as it is still not life it is talking about.
I thought that we were discussing the odds of extra-terrestrial life?  I'd say that considering what science knows about the robustness of life just on our own planet and what with we're learning about exoplanets and interstellar organic chemistry, I'd say that the odds of life existing elsewhere in the universe are quite favorable, if not an absolute certainty.

I was actually saying that we can't possibly know the odds, because there's a variable for which we have no value. And again you've really posted nothing that challenges that point, because like the rest of the world, you don't have a real answer. I will agree with you that our existence proves it's something greater than 0, but most people would consider that pretty much understood, to the extent that pointing it out is something of a non sequitur (you know, a"Markjo special"). It's how much greater than 0 that matters and not surprisingly you keep ignoring that in favor of stating what you believe to be the case, much like a deist trying to demonstrate the existence of God but unable to show anything approaching scientific proof. The parallels between religious belief and belief in aliens is so strong it's kind of hilariously ironic that you (iirc?) and Jura are so strongly against the one while having so much blind faith in the other. I don't want to use the word "hypocritical", it just seems to fit so well (at least for Jura, again I think I remember you being an atheist but I'm not sure).

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Well I'm sorry Jura, but I'm not subscribing to New Scientist just to read one article. It's a shame too because it really did seem interesting (if intensely speculative).

Tell me, what evidence is there to point to that life began more than once? Simply acknowledging that life doesn't begin with magic (duh) doesn't really do the trick for me.

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Markjo, I'm not sure if you realize... I am not discounting the possibility that extraterrestrial life exists. I am pointing out that at present we have no proof that extraterrestrial life exists and that's something entirely different. So when you say "you sure about that?", well, the answer is obviously no. And neither are you, and that's my point. The article you link is intriguing but it's far from enough to state that extraterrestrial life exists with certainty, as it is still not life it is talking about.

If we're being fair it's not what Jura was talking about either. When scientists figure out how the rudiments of life became life,  maybe they will be able to (at least start to) answer the questions of how likely life is in the universe. Until then, or until we find life somewhere other than Earth, it's all guesswork and wishful thinking.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Explosion at UK concert
« on: May 23, 2017, 04:37:43 PM »
First a motorist barrels into a crowded sidewalk, then a suicide bombing at a pop concert. I should have realized when Trump won the election, life has become a Stephen King novel.

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Just looking at the title and first paragraph of the article there are already too many "may haves" and "could have beens" for me to be too confident that there's any actual proof therein but I will certainly read the full article when I have time.

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When a laboratory creates life I will be convinced that we have enough of an understanding of its genesis to at least estimate how likely life is to form. Until then it is merely speculative.

That's interesting though about life having started up multiple times on Earth though. Worth looking into. If it's something they have actual concrete evidence for it certainly changes the conversation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 23, 2017, 12:41:55 PM »
Obviously the timing of the "Grab'em by the pussy" tape was politically motivated. To suggest otherwise is just silly.

Another thing. For all of Hillary's whining since that she had the election stolen from her, at the time it actually happened she didn't show much concern, choosing to ignore the obvious damage and not campaign in key states because she was so sure Trump had no chance of winning at all. She probably really has no one to blame but herself for losing. She ran a lazy campaign and like the old fable the big dopey turtle ended up winning the race.

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I'm sorry, it's actually brutal honesty in the face of an almost cultlike opposition. What do large numbers of habitable planets mean when we have no idea the probability of life in the first place?
Seeing how scientists have found life flourishing in inhospitable places like hydrothermal vents, hot springs, salt lakes, etc., I think that it's a pretty safe bet that life will exist pretty much anywhere in the universe that conditions allow.

Markjo, according to scientists life only began on this planet once, hence the notion that all life on Earth can be traced to a single ancestor. We are talking about the odds that life will form in the first place, not that it will then be able to flourish in inhospitable places, and your comment does nothing to address that issue. If you have an actual response to the points I make be my guest and post them. Otherwise don't expect another response.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Ironic
« on: May 22, 2017, 03:39:41 PM »
I agree with TomInAustin.  If you meant something different, please tell us how that was supposed to be understood.

Honk never said they fake pictures to make it seem like it's what they believe. They have their pictures portray a round Earth because it's what they expect to be the Earth's shape (in other words because it's what they do believe, not "to make it seem" like it's what they believe). They fake pictures to make it appear they've been in space. I hope that makes it clearer.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 22, 2017, 04:39:27 AM »
Well widdle Twump just didn't understand the job back then but he's learned so so much.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 22, 2017, 01:00:13 AM »
It's a good thing we didn't elect that warmongerer Hillary, who would now undoubtedly be arming our enemies in her efforts to start WWIII:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/us-saudi-arabia-seal-weapons-deal-worth-nearly-110-billion-as-trump-begins-visit.html



Saudi Arabia is an ally. And I believe Obama brokered a similar deal with Saudi Arabia when he was president.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 21, 2017, 06:12:39 PM »
Well, I just assumed that you were tying this into the same argument you've been making for several pages
If you think I've been making one argument for several pages, then I have failed to explain myself sufficiently. If you tell me what you didn't understand, I'll do my best to clarify my thoughts.

but if your whole point was that there are crazy people on the internet making up wild conspiracy theories, that too many people take seriously, well, thanks for reminding us of something we all already knew, I guess
More or less; but you give people too much credit. For example, we've just found out that Saddam is a meme-conspiracy theorist, and garygreen at least has some sympathy towards the meme-conspiracy. Challenging this idiocy is important.

I think it's worth noting that these are fringe beliefs that expressly have nothing to do with what the mainstream media is reporting,  nonetheless.
I disagree, there is a connection between the two. The meme-conspiracy drives demand for Russia stories, and the mainstream media has to deliver. And, conversely, legitimate Russia stories can serve as a gateway to the meme-conspiracy. Now, we can't blame mainstream media for simply catering to demand, but squashing the meme-conspiracy would return some balance to media coverage.

I'll pass on addressing your "wow you're so irrelevant!!!!" ramble in too much detail. Sorry that you didn't like my point, hun.

Obviously I've missed something and I realized that almost as soon as I posted. Apologies. I'll have to look back through the thread because I still don't recall Saddam repeating any of the kind of wildly speculative conspiracy theories referred to in the article, but I guess it wouldn't overly surprise me if he has.

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