Here, I'll help with the math.
w = angular velocity of earth = 1 rotation/day = 2 * pi / (24 * 60 * 60) radians/second = 0.000073 rad/s
a = centrifugal acceleration
g = gravitational acceleration at a given altitude
g0 = gravitational acceleration at ground level = 9.8 m/s2
h = altitude
r = radius of earth = 6371000 meters
formulas:
g = g0 * ( r/(r+h) )2
a = w2 * r
At ground level:
g = 9.8 m/s2
a = 0.0000732 * 6371000 = 0.03 m/s2
So clearly, gravity is MUCH stronger than centrifugal acceleration at ground level.
At 10000 km (10000000 meters):
g = 9.8 * (6371000 / (6371000 + 10000000))2 = 1.5 m/s2
a = 0.0000732 * (6371000 + 10000000) = 0.09 m/s2
So, even at 10,000 km high, gravity is STILL much stronger than centrifugal acceleration. The atmosphere will stay right where it is, don't worry!
* feel free to check my work *
Also, Fg does not equal Fc even at ground level, as shown above. They don't need to be balanced. Gravity just needs to be stronger.
Hello mister and misses so.
As we know that globe earth depends on some theories like gravity, centrifugal force, etc.
There is a real problem without a real solution. Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
When we see the sky, we see it stay on their place. This shows if the earth is turning, the atm is turning with earth too.
The earth has Radius about 6371 kms.
The atmospher altitude about 10.000 kms.
The earth spinnig with 1.667 km/hrs. So the outside of the atm must turn with 1.667km/h * (16.371/6.371) = 4.285 km/h. It is about x2,5 of the speed on land level.
We don't drifting to space because there is a balance between gravity and centrifugal force saves us to drift out.
At the most external region of the atmospher the gravity decreases minimum value and the centrifugal force increases the maximum value. So it is impossible the atm don't falls apart.
I can show and stronghten it with diagrams. The forces acting the particul on the air, land level it is Fg=Fc and there is a balanca ; at the R altitude it changes Fg= Fc / 8.
There is no way out for REBs.
Exosphere
The exosphere is the outermost layer of Earth's atmosphere (i.e. the upper limit of the atmosphere). It extends from the exobase, which is located at the top of the thermosphere at an altitude of about 700 km above sea level, to about 10,000 km (6,200 mi; 33,000,000 ft) where it merges into the solar wind.
This layer is mainly composed of extremely low densities of hydrogen, helium and several heavier molecules including nitrogen, oxygen and carbon dioxide closer to the exobase. The atoms and molecules are so far apart that they can travel hundreds of kilometers without colliding with one another. Thus, the exosphere no longer behaves like a gas, and the particles constantly escape into space. These free-moving particles follow ballistic trajectories and may migrate in and out of the magnetosphere or the solar wind.
You are wrong. Your formula wrong by mentality. Because it rote, incomprehensible and invalid.
For example your "R" is different with R here. Because all the parts in the Radius of the Earth move as a whole. But after that, land level, the parts on R and 2R altitude move independently.
You need show a part "stay stable on the air force balance". You can first start draw it. For your formula all molecules on the air fall down to our heads with a high speed :D For your formula there is no air and everything attached to ground level. :D
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This is clear and understandable. No where to flee. :)
You are wrong. Your formula wrong by mentality. Because it rote, incomprehensible and invalid.
Which formula is wrong? What is the correct formula?QuoteFor example your "R" is different with R here. Because all the parts in the Radius of the Earth move as a whole. But after that, land level, the parts on R and 2R altitude move independently.
On average, the atmosphere rotates at the same angular velocity as the ground. They can be treated as rotating together. This results in the linear velocities described here (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5001.msg96878#msg96878).QuoteYou need show a part "stay stable on the air force balance". You can first start draw it. For your formula all molecules on the air fall down to our heads with a high speed :D For your formula there is no air and everything attached to ground level. :D
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This is clear and understandable. No where to flee. :)
I understand what you mean. You made a mistake in the "balance equation". You forgot to take into account air pressure. I described this balance equation in this post (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5001.msg96850#msg96850). The complete equation is this:
Fg - Fp = Fc
Fc = centrifugal force
Fg = force of gravity
Fp = force due to a differential in air pressure
Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!
Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!
Yep! The differential in air pressure points up. You can rewrite the equation like this, if it helps:
Fg (points down) = Fp (points up) + Fc (points up)
Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!
Yep! The differential in air pressure points up. You can rewrite the equation like this, if it helps:
Fg (points down) = Fp (points up) + Fc (points up)
New formula don't help to balance the particul. Oppositely falls apart it to space. ;D
If it's just Gravity then why are is the more dense Ozone layer suspended above the less dense blend of our atmosphere?
If it's just Gravity then why are is the more dense Ozone layer suspended above the less dense blend of our atmosphere?
The gravity of the earth is what keeps our atmosphere.
The gravity of the earth is what keeps our atmosphere.
How though? Wouldn't that imply that the atmosphere would be bound tightly to the earth somehow, as it spins 1,000mph? I don't think that's how it works though. Doesn't the atmosphere move independently from the earth?
One thing I haven't seen adequately explained is how an airplane doesn't move 1000mph faster going against the rotation, give or take any air resistance.
Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!
Yep! The differential in air pressure points up. You can rewrite the equation like this, if it helps:
Fg (points down) = Fp (points up) + Fc (points up)
New formula don't help to balance the particul. Oppositely falls apart it to space. ;D
I don't understand this sentence, sorry. Could you try explaining it a different way?
I wasn't aware that the ozone layer is more dense than the atmosphere below it. Source?
You claim "air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space." Well, a small amount of lighter gases do escape, though from very high up - in the tens of thousands of kilometre range.Heavy particuls are always below and light particuls are always above. So the differential in air pressure effects to up!
Yep! The differential in air pressure points up. You can rewrite the equation like this, if it helps:
Fg (points down) = Fp (points up) + Fc (points up)
New formula don't help to balance the particul. Oppositely falls apart it to space. ;D
I don't understand this sentence, sorry. Could you try explaining it a different way?
I wasn't aware that the ozone layer is more dense than the atmosphere below it. Source?
Air pressure don't helps solve this problem because air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space.
First post edited.
Air pressure don't helps solve this problem because air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space.
First post edited.
Hello mister and misses so.
As we know that globe earth depends on some theories like gravity, centrifugal force, etc.
There is a real problem without a real solution. Why don't atmopsher don't fly away to space?
When we see the sky, we see it stay on their place. This shows if the earth is turning, the atm is turning with earth too.
The earth has Radius about 6371 kms.
The atmospher altitude about 10.000 kms.
The earth spinnig with 1.667 km/hrs. So the outside of the atm must turn with 1.667km/h * (16.371/6.371) = 4.285 km/h. It is about x2,5 of the speed on land level.
We don't drifting to space because there is a balance between gravity and centrifugal force saves us to drift out.
At the most external region of the atmospher the gravity decreases minimum value and the centrifugal force increases the maximum value. So it is impossible the atm don't falls apart.
I can show and stronghten it with diagrams. The forces acting the particul on the air, land level it is Fg=Fc and there is a balanca ; at the R altitude it changes Fg= Fc / 8.
(https://i.imgsafe.org/9beba89.jpg)
There is no way out for REBs.
Edit:
Try 1: Difusion don't helps to solve this problem because oppositely the partituls which near to out, tries to escape out immedietly.
Try2: Air pressure don't helps solve this problem because oppositely air pressure decreases on high altitutes this makes the particuls escape to space.
As you can see Intikam, all they do is provide some bull shit answer...all they have is some fucked up theory piled on top of another fucked up theory to explain the first fucked up theory...
Sun worshipers...According to them, the atmosphere is IMPERMEABLE!!!
As you can see Intikam, all they do is provide some bull shit answer...all they have is some fucked up theory piled on top of another fucked up theory to explain the first fucked up theory...
Sun worshipers...According to them, the atmosphere is IMPERMEABLE!!!
Honestly, this is high school level physics. It isn't very complicated. If I got something wrong, feel free to correct me. Insults don't really help though.
Who told you the atmosphere was impermeable? I am pretty sure the existence of rain disproves that statement.
What is insulting is the cockamamie bullshit about the atmosphere moving at 1000 MPH, velcroed to the Earth.
When asked to explain how this can possibly be, the answer comes back, "Imagine you are inside a moving train..."
Well Copernicus, it sure seems you want me to equate the quality of AIR with that of the IMPERMEABLE walls and ceiling of a rail car...
Fact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...
All there is? Some FUCKED up math, when everyone knows I can get numbers to agree with ANY FUCKING THING I CHOOSE
and some MORE CONJECTURE heaped on top of the original issue when the first supposition can not be proven...
Fact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...
Fact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...
Incorrect. Ring Laser Gyroscopes are sensitive enough to detect the earth's rotation. Here's an example in Germany (http://www.fs.wettzell.de/LKREISEL/G/LaserGyros.html) that is so sensitive they have to compensate for movement of the underlying geology. Stepping up to the largest RLG in the world, operating in Australia (http://www.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/ringlaser/ug-2_ultra_large_ring.shtml), they have enough sensitivity to detect not only the rotation, but even the wobble in that roation caused by the moon. (Currently out of service due to recent earthquakes)
Prefer to do your own experiments? Good for you, highly encouraged, and there is good news: the effect that is exploited by those million-dollar instruments, known as the Sagnac Effect (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagnac_effect) (named for a French physicist who first demonstrated it in 1913) is within reach of hobby-level equipment in the form of the fiber optic gyroscope! Here's a guy (https://youtu.be/qy_9J_c9Kss) who built such a device, a 1km fiber loop that is sensitive enough to detect the earth's rotation.
What is insulting is the cockamamie bullshit about the atmosphere moving at 1000 MPH, velcroed to the Earth.
When asked to explain how this can possibly be, the answer comes back, "Imagine you are inside a moving train..."
Well Copernicus, it sure seems you want me to equate the quality of AIR with that of the IMPERMEABLE walls and ceiling of a rail car...
I suspect you completely misunderstood that analogy. The point of the analogy is that the air inside of a moving train is moving at the same speed as the passengers. Therefore, the passengers don't feel the motion. Likewise, the earth's atmosphere is moving at the same speed as the ground, and the people standing on the ground. Therefore, we don't feel the motion of the earth.
The reason the train needs a roof and the earth doesn't, is because the train is moving rapidly through air. If there was no roof, then the rapidly moving air outside the train would rip away the stationary air inside the train. On the other hand, the earth is moving through SPACE. There is nothing in space. Nothing to rip away the earth's atmosphere.QuoteFact remains, there have been ZERO experiments PROVING the Earth is in motion...
There have been plenty, but anything to do with space automatically gets labelled as "fake" by flat earthers. Earthbound ways of measuring the rotation of the earth include measuring it's radius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesy) and angular velocity against the stars/sun/moon. Pendulums and the Coriolis effect can also be used.QuoteAll there is? Some FUCKED up math, when everyone knows I can get numbers to agree with ANY FUCKING THING I CHOOSE
Tell that to the IRS. Or to the store cashier. Numbers can be misapplied, misinterpreted, and miscalculated. But if you are sharp, you should be able to spot the error, if there is one. Especially for such an utterly simplistic situation like this.Quoteand some MORE CONJECTURE heaped on top of the original issue when the first supposition can not be proven...
If you think there is something wrong with what I have said, try making a clear, well explained objection. This vague whining is just annoying.
And these other certain movements are?
So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?
Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...
Honestly, this is high school level physics. It isn't very complicated. If I got something wrong, feel free to correct me. Insults don't really help though.
And these other certain movements are?
So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?
Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...
So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?
Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...
So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?
Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...
You didn't mean to be correct, but you are accidentally correct all the same: there is no question, not any more. There once were questions. People with much more education than us conceived and carried out these experiments in the effort to determine the true nature of the aether: did it move with the earth (a hypothosis known as 'aether dragging') or was it a stationary fluid through which the earth moved? Devices sensitive to the Sagnac effect at small-enough levels to detect the earth's rotation were actually attempting to measure the speed of light in prograde and retrograde directions, for the purpose of inferring the speed of the aether. It turned out that different experimental designs produced contradictory results, some appearing to supporting aether dragging (or at least exclude fixed aether) and others supporting fixed aether (or at least excluding aether drag). The experimental results were finally reconciled by abandoning aether entirely in favor of Special Relativity.
The Sagnac Effect measured by both the ring laser gyro and the fiber optic gyro is effective in measuring rotation about one axis of the machine. The RLG and FOG held stationary relative to the earth's surface nevertheless measure rotation, but only when the sensitive axis is NOT oriented perpendicular to the earth's axis of rotation. That was the point of the North, South, East, West masurements in the video. The larger fixed units in Germany and Australia are clearly are not aligned to the earth's axis, so their measurements have to include some trigonometry to correct for that.
Nothing in the flat earth model can explain this measured phenomenon.
So, since there are certainly OTHER MOVEMENTS giving rise or interference to actual OPERATION of the devices you present, there is NO QUESTION concerning what is causing any type of measurable output from these devices?
Sorry pal, ain't BUYING THAT BULL SHIT TODAY...
You didn't mean to be correct, but you are accidentally correct all the same: there is no question, not any more. There once were questions. People with much more education than us conceived and carried out these experiments in the effort to determine the true nature of the aether: did it move with the earth (a hypothosis known as 'aether dragging') or was it a stationary fluid through which the earth moved? Devices sensitive to the Sagnac effect at small-enough levels to detect the earth's rotation were actually attempting to measure the speed of light in prograde and retrograde directions, for the purpose of inferring the speed of the aether. It turned out that different experimental designs produced contradictory results, some appearing to supporting aether dragging (or at least exclude fixed aether) and others supporting fixed aether (or at least excluding aether drag). The experimental results were finally reconciled by abandoning aether entirely in favor of Special Relativity.
The Sagnac Effect measured by both the ring laser gyro and the fiber optic gyro is effective in measuring rotation about one axis of the machine. The RLG and FOG held stationary relative to the earth's surface nevertheless measure rotation, but only when the sensitive axis is NOT oriented perpendicular to the earth's axis of rotation. That was the point of the North, South, East, West masurements in the video. The larger fixed units in Germany and Australia are clearly are not aligned to the earth's axis, so their measurements have to include some trigonometry to correct for that.
Nothing in the flat earth model can explain this measured phenomenon.
And whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, there is NOTHING, and I MEAN NOTHING demonstrated about the supposed movement of the Earth by these so-called machines. Only statements issued BY THEIR CREATORS, laying CLAIM to supposed results, only influenced by supposed rotation.
All bullshit and not subjected to any form of test for falsification.