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Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2017, 05:54:50 PM »
Yea, 68 years of infrared astronomy and we just keep on missing it.

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Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2017, 06:42:22 PM »
Yea, 68 years of infrared astronomy and we just keep on missing it.

Who is looking for it?

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2017, 06:56:01 PM »
Yea, 68 years of infrared astronomy and we just keep on missing it.

Who is looking for it?

No one, but is kind of odd that in all the infrared pictures taken of the sun, this object is still undiscovered.

Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2017, 07:34:45 PM »
Why do solar eclipses only happen during the new moon? How are the motion of the moon and the motion of this shadow object so exactly synchronized that the obscuring of the sun only happens when the moon is exactly at the new moon phase? And same question for the lunar eclipse? As far as I can tell, in the Wiki, it says the phases of the moon are caused by the height of the moon above the earth. Why would that limit or affect when the shadow object could be in the way of the sun?


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Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2017, 07:40:19 PM »
Why do solar eclipses only happen during the new moon? How are the motion of the moon and the motion of this shadow object so exactly synchronized that the obscuring of the sun only happens when the moon is exactly at the new moon phase? And same question for the lunar eclipse? As far as I can tell, in the Wiki, it says the phases of the moon are caused by the height of the moon above the earth. Why would that limit or affect when the shadow object could be in the way of the sun?

And that without putting in account that, without actually seeing this dodgy "shadow object", we can predict the place and time where both lunar and solar eclipses can be visible.

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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2017, 08:02:34 PM »
Yea, 68 years of infrared astronomy and we just keep on missing it.

Who is looking for it?
Hey, Tom, now is your time to make a real scientific contribution. 

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Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2017, 08:35:42 PM »
Yea, 68 years of infrared astronomy and we just keep on missing it.

Who is looking for it?

No one, but is kind of odd that in all the infrared pictures taken of the sun, this object is still undiscovered.

If we could not see the stars or celestial bodies with the naked eye, and our only access to the heavens were through observatory telescopes, we would have never discovered the planets.

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2017, 09:02:58 PM »
Yea, 68 years of infrared astronomy and we just keep on missing it.

Who is looking for it?

No one, but is kind of odd that in all the infrared pictures taken of the sun, this object is still undiscovered.

If we could not see the stars or celestial bodies with the naked eye, and our only access to the heavens were through observatory telescopes, we would have never discovered the planets.

But then, how do you know about this "shadow object" if you haven't seen it with your naked eye?  ???

Is thanks to the telescopes that we can confirm what the ancient astronomers saw and cataloged as planets in the first place, otherwise, they would be just stars, just as they appear to the naked eye.

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Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2017, 01:25:42 AM »
Yea, 68 years of infrared astronomy and we just keep on missing it.

Who is looking for it?

No one, but is kind of odd that in all the infrared pictures taken of the sun, this object is still undiscovered.

If we could not see the stars or celestial bodies with the naked eye, and our only access to the heavens were through observatory telescopes, we would have never discovered the planets.
Um......Tom, we did find planets like Neptune that can't be seen with naked eye.  We have also discovered very distant orbiting objects like Pluto, asteroids, dwarf planets, and comets all with telescopes.  You can't those with naked eye yet we found them.

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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2017, 04:10:55 AM »
Um......Tom, we did find planets like Neptune that can't be seen with naked eye.

Incorrect. Please see the chapter The Planet Neptune in Earth Not a Globe.


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We have also discovered very distant orbiting objects like Pluto, asteroids, dwarf planets, and comets all with telescopes.  You can't those with naked eye yet we found them.

This example is a bad one. The discoverer was photographing the same part of the sky over and over again in a telescope and accidentally discovered Pluto. It was not until the last the last 30 years that it was discovered that there are actually many similar dwarf planet orbiting the sun the size of Pluto and that it's nothing special. This is why Pluto is no longer a planet. There are many similar bodies that exist in the solar system.

https://theplanets.org/dwarf-planets/

According to this link we are nowhere close to finding all of the dwarf planets in the solar system and there may be as many as 10,000 in the solar system yet to be discovered. It's not easy to discover things that have to be found with a telescope. How does this correlate with your assertion that these things are so easily discoverable?
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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2017, 11:26:43 AM »
You're right, Tom.  Astronomers, on their own, would never find an object large enough to block the sun.  Now is your time to make a real contribution to science.   
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We have also discovered very distant orbiting objects like Pluto, asteroids, dwarf planets, and comets all with telescopes.  You can't those with naked eye yet we found them.

This example is a bad one. The discoverer was photographing the same part of the sky over and over again in a telescope and accidentally discovered Pluto. It was not until the last the last 30 years that it was discovered that there are actually many similar dwarf planet orbiting the sun the size of Pluto and that it's nothing special. This is why Pluto is no longer a planet. There are many similar bodies that exist in the solar system.
You miss the point, Tom.  If we can accidentally discover an object too small and dim to be seen with the naked eye, we should have been able to find this enourmous-by-comparison object by now.  It should occasionally block our view of Venus or Mercury, for example.
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Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2017, 02:59:29 PM »
Yea, 68 years of infrared astronomy and we just keep on missing it.

Who is looking for it?

No one, but is kind of odd that in all the infrared pictures taken of the sun, this object is still undiscovered.

If we could not see the stars or celestial bodies with the naked eye, and our only access to the heavens were through observatory telescopes, we would have never discovered the planets.

How come we have found that there are thousands of planets outside of our solar system? We can't see them with the naked eye.
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Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2017, 04:20:42 PM »
It has also been pointed out that if the dark object existed, we should see it as we do as in the case of the transit of Mercury across the Sun.

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Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2017, 09:59:04 PM »
Been warned not to reply when I have nothing to say, so I'm out of this one. Wow.

Good luck, simba.

I should be doing the same, but goofed and made one reply. Will try harder.

Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2017, 08:09:13 AM »
Dang. I had looked for answers to this question myself, but couldn't find any good literature on the topic. I was hoping that some voice of reason like our good Mr Bishop might have some insight for me. Painful though it can be, sometimes all we can do is accept that there is much we still don't know, such as what is happening in the region close to the sun. A reminder that the universe is still full of mystery.

Still, I have to admit to a little disappointment. Especially when superficially it would seem like we do know so much. That there will be an eclipse, for instance. And when, down to the minute, and which parts of the world will see it fully or partially...

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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2017, 02:07:09 PM »
Still, I have to admit to a little disappointment. Especially when superficially it would seem like we do know so much. That there will be an eclipse, for instance. And when, down to the minute, and which parts of the world will see it fully or partially...
This is one of the great failings of the FE model, the inability to calculate eclipses, or even where the sun and moon should be seen in the sky at other times.  When faced with the fact that the sun appears in a different spot in the sky than it would be, were the world flat and the sun always above it, the FE side claims "perspective" (and/or "spotlight" sometimes) and pretends that settles the matter.  Never have they proposed a reason for "perspective" to shift the sun and moon to the left or right, in addition to the shift down at sunrise, sunset, and all hours between.  Never have they proposed a reason for "perspective" to shift the sun by different amounts at different latitudes.
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