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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2014, 10:48:04 PM »
Sadly, this is an ideology fight and those are never won easily.  Our best bet is to isolate the area until they tear each other apart or settle down.


Likely one then the other. 


It could take a while though.  Like half a century or more.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2014, 11:13:20 PM »
I'd say anyone who commits a crime should forfeit their human rights, but that doesn't stop lawyers securing Xboxes and voting rights for inmates.

The law is an arse and all that.

Any crime?
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2014, 11:22:11 PM »
Any crime where you get a custodial sentence, certainly. If you are deprived the right to freedom, I don't see why you should maintain your right to vote for example.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2014, 11:28:13 PM »
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2014, 11:28:59 PM »
Er, prisoners can't vote. The ability to vote also isn't a human right.
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« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2014, 11:31:24 PM »
Our European overlords disagree. And somehow despite the UK having definitely not lost a war in Europe, seems to do whatever Europe tells it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325776/Prisoners-right-vote-Government-loses-Europe.html

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #66 on: August 20, 2014, 11:34:08 PM »
Er, prisoners can't vote. The ability to vote also isn't a human right.

The UN Declaration of Human Rights, Article 21 disagrees with you.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2014, 02:45:11 AM »
Er, prisoners can't vote. The ability to vote also isn't a human right.

The UN Declaration of Human Rights, Article 21 disagrees with you.

Nobody cares what the UN thinks.  You know this.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2014, 03:01:06 AM »
Er, prisoners can't vote. The ability to vote also isn't a human right.

The UN Declaration of Human Rights, Article 21 disagrees with you.

Nobody cares what the UN thinks.  You know this.

Fair enough. I retract my last post.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2014, 06:57:59 AM »
Why doesn't Farage at least consult with some legal experts before announcing new policies that he can't deliver?
Because he's not the part of the filthy "people who know what they're doing" Westminster clique.
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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2014, 09:12:11 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/20/beheading-video-prompts-calls-for-us-to-escalate-campaign-against-isis/

Yeah yeah fox news. They confirmed the journalists identity. Wonder what ISIS thought public decapitation would inspire in the west besides getting them bombed harder.

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« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2014, 09:43:44 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/20/beheading-video-prompts-calls-for-us-to-escalate-campaign-against-isis/

Yeah yeah fox news. They confirmed the journalists identity. Wonder what ISIS thought public decapitation would inspire in the west besides getting them bombed harder.

Its not going to happen. The UK government seem to have lost the battle for hearts and minds again. Britain won't be assisting. And when Britain doesn't assist, the US doesn't go - see Syria.
Whilst the US is air striking Iraq again in the region, I don't see that as lasting very long at all. Britain are about to come out and refuse to help there as well.
Now its not like the US couldn't do it alone, but the US likes to be seen as acting on 'behalf of the world' and 'joining the world in the fight against terrorism' etc. But of course if the rest of the world isn't interested, the US just looks like a large country invading for oil again - which it is.

Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2014, 09:47:33 AM »
No one's talking about invasion, at least no one with any power. The current air support and let the peshmerga/iraqi security forces fight strategy is working. It's cheap and arguably the most hands off approach. I don't see why the US would stop.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2014, 09:57:05 AM »
Air support is not cheap. It is seriously expensive.

Popping rockets through windows and caves is also not very hands off.

And the US will stop once they are alone. You can't be representing the UN by yourself. It doesn't work like that.


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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2014, 04:14:15 PM »
The easiest solution would be to declare an outright war on the entire Muslim world, a la Crusade style, just as they have done to the Western world, a la Jihad style, and turn them into a parking lot, and build a few very large Wal-marts there when we are finished.

Let's face it, people: Muslims, particularly Arabs, are one step up from primates. Only the latest models can talk. The rest of them are still swinging from their tails. The Muslim world should should be forced into obedience. If it refuses, it should be eliminated. The ISIS should simply be eliminated. Every single one of them should be killed on sight.

All Arabs in Greater Israel (including Israel, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, ALL of Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights) should be deported to Arab countries. Those who refuse to leave should be shot. Those who agree can take six months living wage and compensation for property they will lose if any.

All Muslims living in the West should be forcibly deported to their nations of origin. Those who are native to the West should be given a chance to convert, be deported to a Muslim state, or shot. The Muslim Faith and all members of it should be declared a danger to the State of first magnitude.

Once all Muslims have returned to the Muslim world, that part of the world should be sealed off. No one should be allowed in or out. No one should be permitted to buy, trade, or sell with it. There should be absolutely no commerce and no communication between Islam and the civilised world. The Dome of the Rock should be blown up, and all other Muslim presence in Israel should be obliterated by the Israel Defense Force. The ONLY contact between the Muslim world and the civilised world should be where they border each other, and that should be with a DMZ comparable to what exists between the two Koreas.

Any necessary contact between Islam and the rest of the world should be conducted on the basis of absolute superiority of the non-Muslim side. Any refusal of Muslims to accept that should be met by bullets. It is a VERY simple matter. It would take perhaps five years, maybe less, to implement the entire plan.

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« Reply #76 on: August 21, 2014, 04:23:30 PM »
A very simple matter to kill or deport 1.6 billion people?

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #77 on: August 21, 2014, 04:27:08 PM »
Actually, 1.6 billion persons in the world are Muslim. The number of them living in Greater Israel, or in the West, is MUCH less. There are about four million so-called "Palestinians", and the number of Muslims living where they don't belong in Western Europe or the Western Hemisphere is certainly not high. YET.

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Re: ISIS and the Middle East
« Reply #78 on: August 21, 2014, 04:28:09 PM »
All Muslims living in the West should be forcibly deported to their nations of origin. Those who are native to the West should be given a chance to convert, be deported to a Muslim state, or shot. The Muslim Faith and all members of it should be declared a danger to the State of first magnitude.

Can we deport all the Jews as well?

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« Reply #79 on: August 21, 2014, 04:30:38 PM »
I won't go there with you, except to say that most of the Nobel Prize winners of the last century have been Jews. So, if you agree to not use any of the discoveries that Jews have made in science, or in medicine, or a variety of other fields, then sure, why not?