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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2017, 09:43:30 PM »
Woah woah woah...


I never siad "self-defense"
I said defense.  As in "Defending America from bad people".
They came expecting a fight, I'm not denying that.  But they didn't go there to throw the first punch.

That would not be in line with past antifa behavior. Why are you so sure about that?
In honesty, I only read the washington post timeline but based on that, it sounds like it.  Otherwise the antifa protesters would have met the alt-right instead of waited for them.

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Secondly, are you sure there were only 50ish nazis?  I mean, the whole rally wasn't "Save our Statue" since they chanted "we will not be replaced" and "Jews will not replace us" while marching.  "Blood and Soil" at other times.  AND they came armed too.  So they were looking for a fight.

No one denies that the alt-right faction wasn't looking for a fight. My biggest issue is that left-wing media became so fixated on the narrative that Trump is once again Hitler that they neglected to report on the far-left presence that almost always leads to violence whether there are literal Nazis there or not. Both stories are important to the degree that they are accurately and fairly reported. America does not have a racism problem so much as it has a polarization problem. Echo chambers will lead to civil strife not experienced by most people alive today. 
We totally have a racism problem.  Just look at the amount of unarmed black people killed by cops for proof.

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Third: One man's terrorist is another man's patriot.  But against for people who want to oppress non-whites, I'm siding with the people against them.

If you're sure of their intentions sure. I would steer clear of Antifa as much as the alt-right. They both want bad things for a free, liberal society.
Would still take someone wanting to kill white supremacists and such vs someone who stands by while those groups march unopposed.



I said defense.  As in "Defending America from bad people".
Well, that's certainly a bizarre thing to bring up. We were discussing whether or not there was violence on both sides. You said that "it seems like the counter protesters were in a defensive stance and the white nationalists were more offensive." Now you're saying that you weren't actually referring to their stance in the clashes, but rather the motivation behind their violence. While not incorrect (I'm sure they thought they were doing a good thing - they wouldn't be doing it otherwise), it's quite irrelevant to what we were talking about.
Then of course there was violence on both sides.  The only way there couldn't be is if one side either wasn't there or was purely passive.  So yes, there was violence on both sides.  But when I see "violence" I look at the person actually seeking to harm vs the group seeking to stop harm. 

And perhaps I'm not being clear:
Defensive Stance, is like defending a fort.  You stand at a spot, wait for the enemy to come to you, and kick their asses.  THAT is what I meant.  Not just some ideology (though that's there) but also "We're gonna be here.  When you come, you're gonna try to fight us and we're gonna fight back" instead of "We're gonna march towards you and attack"

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[again] I said defense.  As in "Defending America from bad people".
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One man's terrorist is another man's patriot.
Are you saying you support domestic terrorism as long as the ideas behind the terrorism sound nice? Because that's honestly how that's coming across, and the only way I can respond to that is with strong personal judgements.
That is literally how America became independent.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2017, 12:51:06 PM »
Woah woah woah...


I never siad "self-defense"
I said defense.  As in "Defending America from bad people".
They came expecting a fight, I'm not denying that.  But they didn't go there to throw the first punch.




Secondly, are you sure there were only 50ish nazis?  I mean, the whole rally wasn't "Save our Statue" since they chanted "we will not be replaced" and "Jews will not replace us" while marching.  "Blood and Soil" at other times.  AND they came armed too.  So they were looking for a fight.


Third: One man's terrorist is another man's patriot.  But against for people who want to oppress non-whites, I'm siding with the people against them.


And Trump has, on several occasions during his campaign, advocated punching people in the face.




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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2017, 11:18:42 AM »
Sure. Defensive.



Look, I don't think anyone is denying that the far-right were the primary aggressors here who deserve an overwhelming majority of the blame. It's just that some extremists are trying to push it much further, and are receiving tacit support from some media outlets in doing so.
1. Posting a single image of a person in a helmet and holding a bat does not mean anything.

2. Assuming that's a legitimate picture of a counter protester... I'm failing to see your point.  Defensive does not mean you hunker down with a shield and pray they don't have guns(They did).  If cops need to defend someone from being killed, do they carry only riot shields or do they have batons as well?  Or even *gasp* guns?

3. I say defensive based on movement patterns, not armaments.  The counter protesters were largely stationary while the white supremacists marched towards them.

Finally:
The "Anti-Facists" are being labeled as bad.  Yet... why?  I mean, if any group deserves to be actually resisted with physical force, it's the god damn Nazis.  The way Trump talks, it's bad to punch Nazis yet we've seen he's totally ok with people punching journalists and annoying people at his rallies.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2017, 09:08:46 AM »
Ok, having read more, it sounds like "violence on both sides" is like saying:

"Look, the Nazi's are bad, but if you didn't try to fight back, you would have been fine."

Cause it seems like the counter protesters were in a defensive stance and the white nationalists were more offensive.

So while violence on both sides occurred, I'm gonna struggle with how a Republican can attack someone for defending themselves.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2017, 08:59:30 AM »
there is no evidence of violence (in that instance) from the counter protesters.
Wait, what? Where on Earth did you get that idea? There was violence on both sides, and I struggle to find any coverage that denies this. The only question here is that of the extent of the violence on each side (spoilers: the protesters were much more heavily armed than the counter-protesters, so when the clashes erupted it was a bit one-sided)
Ignorance.
I haven't read anything about it.  Also, I've read very few actual articles on the subject so that's probably it.

So both sides were in fisti-cuffs with each other then?
Or was it thrown objects?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 16, 2017, 07:54:51 AM »
I think he (rightfully) doesn't want to invigorate the extreme left that is just as capable of being violent.

if i hadn't been alive and conscious for the 2016 election cycle, then i could maybe buy that.  i think he's just a pathetically amoral coward.

either way, let's not restrain ourselves from criticizing violent nazis because we're afraid of hypothetical future violence by someone else.

plus he could've just addressed that directly while also displaying a modicum of moral courage:

tweet #1: nazism and white nationalism are immoral.  fuck off, nazis.
tweet #2: hey "leftists" don't use this as an excuse to be violent.  violence is wrong my dudes.  you have to let others peacefully protest even if you think they're dicks.
tweet #3: here are the concrete steps we're gonna take to keep things cool and safe. 
tweet #4: including free capri suns for both sides.

I can imagine quite a few legitimate reasons for why Trump didn't want to address nazis et al. right away (other than pandering). One of them being that the nazi boogeyman is massively overblown by left-leaning media. How many actual nazis or white nationalists do you think there were in that protest? Sure, there were some I'd imagine, but certainly not all of them. And those some likely weren't involved in the violence at all.

Condemning hateful ideologies in general is fine and dandy, but let's not blame people for something they probably didn't do. Let's just condemn all violence in one statement and the ideologies in another, which is what happened.
The problem is that he condemned violence from both sides in one statement but there is no evidence of violence (in that instance) from the counter protesters.
And a white national did kill someone by trying to ram the counter protesters with his car.

This is basically victim shaming.  "If they weren't against me, then that guy wouldn't have tried to kill them with his car".

Now if we find out that the other side was attacking with violence as well and this was basically just escalation then sure.  But I haven't seen evidence of that yet.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 15, 2017, 05:19:37 AM »
And then there's people like this guy:
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/13/543259485/trump-supporter-he-called-for-unity-i-never-saw-obama-call-for-unity


They hate nazis and white supremesists because they don't know what they stand for. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God is not a racist
« on: August 15, 2017, 05:06:02 AM »
This does not mean nuclear war.
It can literally be any war that goes on long enough.


Nuclear war would likely kill far more than 1/3rd of humanity with fallout and radiation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God is not a racist
« on: August 14, 2017, 04:47:15 PM »
Has there ever been a period of human history in the last 2000 years when nation hasn't risen against nation?

With Nuclear weapons ? < no, not really
Since when has the bible spoken of Nuclear Weapons?

btw: this verse in (Matthew 24) speaks about the future generation that is able to view all the mentioned signs happening simultaneously ...
if you lived in China in 1807 ... how long would it be before you got the word that there were riots in Virginia ?

It does not.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 13, 2017, 05:32:59 PM »
I assume you're being sarcastic, so let me ask you, what's contradictory about them?

Roundy's right.

The first one you claim Trump had to pick his words carefully to avoid making the left angry.
But in the second statement, you claim that they'd be angry no matter what.

So the first statement implies they can be kept from being angry.  The second implies they can't.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 13, 2017, 01:16:54 PM »
Yep.  A tweet is all we'll get.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/896504109670567936

i love the sly implication that leftist protestors killed a police officer.
He didn't but read his whole twitter feed.
Someone's helping him write and give speeches.

Like this:
We must remember this truth: No matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are ALL AMERICANS FIRST.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 13, 2017, 04:58:25 AM »
listening to trump try to condemn the charlottesville violence without offending white nationalists would be p funny if it weren't so pathetic


Yep.  A tweet is all we'll get.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General
« on: August 11, 2017, 06:30:00 AM »
DCCU's big problem is that they saw batman as being so successful and assumed it was because of grimdark, not realizing that it was because batman is supposed to be grimdark and we liked it because it was batman.


This is why executives should not make movies based on numbers and polls.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 11, 2017, 04:30:30 AM »
https://apnews.com/8587e83c9de342b08e0b65bc5562e664

Trump is literally pissing off a Nuclear nation while on vacation.  Where this Obama, Fox would be bitching about how Obama is taking a vacation while such a crisis exists.

Well sure, Fox gonna Fox. It's not like there's any expectation of objectivity from them; they're a propaganda machine, not a legitimate news channel.


What about the common man?  The meme machines, the trolls on Facebook?




Also: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/10/trump-thanks-vladimir-putin-diplomats-241498


World War 3 will be Trump vs the world.  Not The USA, just Trump.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 10, 2017, 08:36:16 PM »
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-again-pushes-mitch-mcconnell-to-pass-health-care-legislation/


And his own senate.

"Mitch, get back to work and put Repeal & Replace, Tax Reform & Cuts and a great Infrastructure Bill on my desk for signing. You can do it!" Said the president on Vacation.

Also, blaming the senate when he claims to be the great deal maker is like a master baker blaming his assistant for not having a good cake made.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 10, 2017, 07:59:30 PM »
https://apnews.com/8587e83c9de342b08e0b65bc5562e664

Trump is literally pissing off a Nuclear nation while on vacation.  Where this Obama, Fox would be bitching about how Obama is taking a vacation while such a crisis exists.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: August 10, 2017, 02:07:05 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/10/in-a-new-poll-half-of-republicans-say-they-would-support-postponing-the-2020-election-if-trump-proposed-it/

do you want ants a dictator?  because that's how you get ants a dictator.


Eh...its an iffy poll with a low sample size and pool.


I'd wager the actual number is much lower.  Maybe 10-20% of republicans.  Still enough to take over the country

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: August 09, 2017, 07:46:45 PM »
Postin tha same link up in which one of mah thugs, up in they interpretation, justifies why a word up in Hebrew means both reverence n' fear do not make you right. First off, Hebrew aint Gangsta n' we is rockin Gangsta. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. Secondly, tha word means "to flow outta tha gut" which covers a wide range of thangs like fuckin fear, nervousness, anxiety, etc... which is what tha fuck you feel when you hook up one of mah thugs you revere, so peek-a-boo, clear tha way, I be comin' thru fo'sho.  Reverence do not flow from tha gut yo, but from tha ass. Third, every last muthafuckin thang da thug freestyled is total BS anyway yo. His entire basis is (yare) meanin tha same thang despite two passages dat his schmoooove ass fronts show dem meanin different thangs. Well shiiiit, it means fear, not respect.

.............. w h a t e v e r

Romans 3:18  "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 5401   Browse Lexicon
Original Word   Word Origin
foboß   from a primary phebomai (to be put in fear)
Transliterated Word   TDNT Entry
Phobos   9:189,1272
Phonetic Spelling   Parts of Speech
fob'-os    Noun Masculine
Definition:
1.fear, dread, terror, that which strikes terror
2. reverence for one's husband
NAS Word Usage - Total: 45
cause of fear 1, fear 37, fearful 1, fears 1, intimidation 1,
respect 1, respectful 1, reverence 1, sense of awe 1
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Definition of fear
transitive verb
1
archaic :  frighten
2
archaic :  to feel fear in (oneself)
3
to have a reverential awe of fear God
4
:  to be afraid of :  expect with alarm fear the worst
intransitive verb
:  to be afraid or apprehensive feared for their lives feared to go out at night
fearer noun
I like how you're just swapping languages randomly.

Also, I looked up Revere's entomology.  Fun stuff.  Like did you know it didn't exist until the 17th century?  Well after the bible was written.  It's from french, which got it from Latin which means "intense Fear".  Though I will admit, it also means respect and in awe of. (the root latin)
Which doesn't apply today BUT it does makes me wonder...
What society has Fear and Respect as the same word?  The answer, of course, is when you use fear to gain power or have others in awe.  Which isn't true respect.


But we could do this all day.  Point is, one can't be fearful of God and Respect God at the same time.  You are in awe because you are afraid of him and his power. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: August 09, 2017, 05:33:46 PM »
And again, fear is not respect.  You have not refuted that.

Indeed I have

Posting the same link in which someone, in their interpretation, justifies why a word in Hebrew means both reverence and fear does not make you right.
First off, Hebrew is not English and we are using English.
Secondly, the word means "to flow out of the gut" which covers a wide range of things such as fear, nervousness, anxiety, etc... which is what you feel when you meet someone you revere.  Reverence does not flow from the gut, but from the heart.

Third, everything he wrote is total BS anyway.

His entire basis is ירא(yare) meaning the same thing despite two passages that he claims show them meaning different things.

Genesis 3:10
Deuteronomy 6:13

However, according to Bible hub:
http://biblehub.com/text/deuteronomy/6-13.htm

It means fear, not respect.
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