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Title: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 06, 2016, 02:34:19 AM
I was recently directed to the bi-polar model (http://wiki.tfes.org/File:Altmap.png) of the flat earth. This model has a distinct advantage over the traditional ice-wall model: it can provide a somewhat plausible explanation of the south celestial pole. However, it seems to retain some of the problems of the traditional model: sunsets, the size of the sun/moon, the path of the sun/moon. It also introduces new problems: flight times over the pacific ocean, distortion of certain continental shapes.

My main question is this: what is the path of the sun in the bi-polar model?
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Venus on June 06, 2016, 03:02:07 AM
I was recently directed to the bi-polar model (http://wiki.tfes.org/File:Altmap.png) of the flat earth. This model has a distinct advantage over the traditional ice-wall model: it can provide a somewhat plausible explanation of the south celestial pole. However, it seems to retain some of the problems of the traditional model: sunsets, the size of the sun/moon, the path of the sun/moon. It also introduces new problems: flight times over the pacific ocean, distortion of certain continental shapes.

My main question is this: what is the path of the sun in the bi-polar model?

Sorry this is not an answer ... but ... What is it with the maps created by FE'ers ?? Why don't they don't mind the fact that major continents are totally distorted? if it is a map of a FLAT earth it should show Australia as it really is ... it was first mapped in 1810 when Mathew Flinders circumnavigated the continent surely it shouldn't be too hard to show it as it really is on a FLAT earth map!!
Also Africa is larger than China, Canada and USA combined... why does it look so small on the bipolar map?

If the earth is really flat then a flat earth map should be the easiest thing to produce... :-)
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 06, 2016, 03:38:29 AM
In the Bi-Polar model the sun rotates around the Northern Hemiplane for 6 months out of the year and then shifts over to rotate around the Southern Hemiplane for 6 months. It gradually moves between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer. This is what creates the seasons - long summer days and short winter days in the North, and vice versa for the South.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 06, 2016, 03:45:55 AM
In the Bi-Polar model the sun rotates around the Northern Hemiplane for 6 months out of the year and then shifts over to rotate around the Southern Hemiplane for 6 months. It gradually moves between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer. This is what creates the seasons - long summer days and short winter days in the North, and vice versa for the South.

What days of the year does this shift happen? Why don't we see a sudden shift in the path of the sun through the sky?
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 06, 2016, 04:11:48 AM
In the Bi-Polar model the sun rotates around the Northern Hemiplane for 6 months out of the year and then shifts over to rotate around the Southern Hemiplane for 6 months. It gradually moves between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer. This is what creates the seasons - long summer days and short winter days in the North, and vice versa for the South.

What days of the year does this shift happen? Why don't we see a sudden shift in the path of the sun through the sky?

The shifts happen twice a year around March 20 and September 23 (days which mark the first day of Spring and the first day of Fall). If you live at an appropriate latitude you can see it gradually move between the Tropic of Cancer towards the North Pole and then towards the Tropic of Capricorn towards the South Pole.

Here it is on a shift day between the two hemiplanes, on the first day of Spring:

(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/333/33398.ngsversion.1421959972836.adapt.1900.1.jpg)
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 06, 2016, 04:52:27 AM
The shifts happen twice a year around March 20 and September 23 (days which mark the first day of Spring and the first day of Fall). If you live at an appropriate latitude you can see it gradually move between the Tropic of Cancer towards the North Pole and then towards the Tropic of Capricorn towards the South Pole.

I am aware of this phenomenon. The key word here is "gradually". The sun moves gradually between the north and south. This is a natural result of the tilt and orbit of the globe earth.

However, if the sun actually changed the point around which it orbits, there should be a very distinct change in direction between one day and the next. We should be able to observe this "fork in the road" somewhere on earth.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: rabinoz on June 06, 2016, 11:06:05 AM
In the Bi-Polar model the sun rotates around the Northern Hemiplane for 6 months out of the year and then shifts over to rotate around the Southern Hemiplane for 6 months. It gradually moves between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer. This is what creates the seasons - long summer days and short winter days in the North, and vice versa for the South.
Surely the Bipolar Map is not being proposed as a feasible map of the earth?
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Flat%20Earth%20Bi-polar%20map%20-%201272_zpsfub8glzp.png)
Bipolar Flat Earth map
Even a cursory glance would show that it is impossible to circumnagivate the earth along the equator from say Ecuador to Borneo.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 12, 2016, 03:08:25 AM
Under the bi-polar model the biggest forks are out in the middle of the ocean. However, the landmasses near the equator do see forks in the road.

Consider the following images. If the earth is a globe and the stars are light years away and very distant, how is it that the stars can be physically seen to move away from each other over the course of the night? They seem to come closer together then spread away. The stars in the upper left are rotating one way and the stars in the lower right are rotating the other. The stars are moving in relation to each other! This is impossible if the earth is a globe.

A rotating globe should not cause the stars to physically separate from each other in the sky, and these stars would need to be moving light years through space if they were to actually travel this route. It is a proof that the earth is not a globe.

(http://www.fritztech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Shenandoah-Star-Trail-005.jpg)

(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0712/2007_09_14-orion-lq_vanGorp1200.jpg)
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Rama Set on June 12, 2016, 03:50:52 AM
I don't see what you are talking about. Where are the stars moving closer to one another?  Why wouldn't this be possible if the Earth were rotating?  We are talking about apparent motion here; all sorts of optical effects are possible.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 12, 2016, 03:56:37 AM
Under the bi-polar model the biggest forks are out in the middle of the ocean. However, the landmasses near the equator do see forks in the road.

And have conveniently never been witnessed...

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Consider the following images. If the earth is a globe and the stars are light years away and very distant, how is it that the stars can be physically seen to move away from each other over the course of the night? They seem to come closer together then spread away.

They don't. This is a wide angle photo. It is a projection of a spherical field of view onto a flat image. It looks like this for the same reason that a map of the globe can't be perfectly drawn on a flat map without distortions. If you actually look at the stars at night in person, they always stay the same distance away from each other.

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The stars in the upper left are rotating one way and the stars in the lower right are rotating the other. The stars are moving in relation to each other! This is impossible if the earth is a globe.

Huh? All stars rotate from east to west, just like the sun. Yes, the stars in the South rotate clockwise, and the stars in the North rotate counterclockwise, but that's only because you have to be facing in the opposite direction to view the stars in the North or South. How in the world do YOU expect the stars to move if the earth is a globe? I am curious.

If you want a good visualization for how the stars rotate around a globe, I recommend downloading Stellarium (http://www.stellarium.org/).

1. Fast forward the simulation until you can see the stars moving.
2. Click the  "equitorial grid" button to better visualize where the celestial poles are.
3. Move the "location" from various points in the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere. Notice how the celestial poles sink and rise with respect to the horizon.
4. Click the "landscape" button to see what it would look like if you could see through the earth.
5. Waste a bunch of time playing around with the various settings, because it's an awesome piece of software.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 12, 2016, 04:06:58 AM
Another problem with the bipolar model, and the figure 8 path of the sun:

Let's look at Alaska during the Spring Equinox, when the sun supposedly switches from circling the North pole to the South pole.

Day before equinox: The sun is rotating around the North pole. In Alaska, the sun will supposedly set somewhere to the West, curving around to the North.

Day after the equinox: The sun turns South instead of North, and never comes near Alaska.

How in the world has this never been noticed by anyone before?? Am I picturing it wrong? Perhaps you can draw the path of the sun before and after the equinox on the bipolar map so that I can understand better?
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: rabinoz on June 12, 2016, 11:19:47 PM
Another problem with the bipolar model, and the figure 8 path of the sun:

Let's look at Alaska during the Spring Equinox, when the sun supposedly switches from circling the North pole to the South pole.

Day before equinox: The sun is rotating around the North pole. In Alaska, the sun will supposedly set somewhere to the West, curving around to the North.

Day after the equinox: The sun turns South instead of North, and never comes near Alaska.

How in the world has this never been noticed by anyone before?? Am I picturing it wrong? Perhaps you can draw the path of the sun before and after the equinox on the bipolar map so that I can understand better?

Try to explain the fact that for a day (or even two) either side of the equinoxes, both poles have 24-hour daylight.
Of course TFES does have the usual explanation - denies it happens at all, and asks have you BEEN in both places (at once of course) and PROVED it!
No, I haven't, and don't intend to try.

BTW  ::) Looked at the shape of countries on the BiPolar map?  ::)
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Venus on June 13, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
Another problem with the bipolar model, and the figure 8 path of the sun:

Let's look at Alaska during the Spring Equinox, when the sun supposedly switches from circling the North pole to the South pole.

Day before equinox: The sun is rotating around the North pole. In Alaska, the sun will supposedly set somewhere to the West, curving around to the North.

Day after the equinox: The sun turns South instead of North, and never comes near Alaska.

How in the world has this never been noticed by anyone before?? Am I picturing it wrong? Perhaps you can draw the path of the sun before and after the equinox on the bipolar map so that I can understand better?

Try to explain the fact that for a day (or even two) either side of the equinoxes, both poles have 24-hour daylight.
Of course TFES does have the usual explanation - denies it happens at all, and asks have you BEEN in both places (at once of course) and PROVED it!
No, I haven't, and don't intend to try.

BTW  ::) Looked at the shape of countries on the BiPolar map?  ::)

I'm trying to figure out if that is New Zealand shown below Antarctica ??
If so then this map is totally wrong, because the actual distance from Sydney to Auckland is 2155km, whereas the distance from Melbourne to Auckland is 2624km.
On the bipolar map Melbourne would be closer to Auckland ... not further away.
Oh and then there's the size of Africa (far too small), shape of Australia, shape of Canada and Alaska, shape of the southern part of South America ... etc etc etc !!

"Hey Dad, there's a guy selling a bipolar map of the flat earth"
"How much does he want for it?"
"Ten bucks"
"He's dreamin' !!"
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Unsure101 on June 13, 2016, 10:46:04 AM
Another problem with the bipolar model, and the figure 8 path of the sun:

Let's look at Alaska during the Spring Equinox, when the sun supposedly switches from circling the North pole to the South pole.

Day before equinox: The sun is rotating around the North pole. In Alaska, the sun will supposedly set somewhere to the West, curving around to the North.

Day after the equinox: The sun turns South instead of North, and never comes near Alaska.

How in the world has this never been noticed by anyone before?? Am I picturing it wrong? Perhaps you can draw the path of the sun before and after the equinox on the bipolar map so that I can understand better?

Try to explain the fact that for a day (or even two) either side of the equinoxes, both poles have 24-hour daylight.
Of course TFES does have the usual explanation - denies it happens at all, and asks have you BEEN in both places (at once of course) and PROVED it!
No, I haven't, and don't intend to try.

BTW  ::) Looked at the shape of countries on the BiPolar map?  ::)

I'm trying to figure out if that is New Zealand shown below Antarctica ??
If so then this map is totally wrong, because the actual distance from Sydney to Auckland is 2155km, whereas the distance from Melbourne to Auckland is 2624km.
On the bipolar map Melbourne would be closer to Auckland ... not further away.
Oh and then there's the size of Africa (far too small), shape of Australia, shape of Canada and Alaska, shape of the southern part of South America ... etc etc etc !!

"Hey Dad, there's a guy selling a bipolar map of the flat earth"
"How much does he want for it?"
"Ten bucks"
"He's dreamin' !!"
But if a flat earth map could be made that had all the continents to scale and the correct distances from each other it would go "straight to the Pool Room"
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 13, 2016, 07:01:52 PM
Another problem with the bipolar model, and the figure 8 path of the sun:

Let's look at Alaska during the Spring Equinox, when the sun supposedly switches from circling the North pole to the South pole.

Day before equinox: The sun is rotating around the North pole. In Alaska, the sun will supposedly set somewhere to the West, curving around to the North.

Day after the equinox: The sun turns South instead of North, and never comes near Alaska.

How in the world has this never been noticed by anyone before?? Am I picturing it wrong? Perhaps you can draw the path of the sun before and after the equinox on the bipolar map so that I can understand better?

You do know that there are places near the polar circle where the sun can set and then not return for months, right?
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 13, 2016, 10:39:30 PM
Another problem with the bipolar model, and the figure 8 path of the sun:

Let's look at Alaska during the Spring Equinox, when the sun supposedly switches from circling the North pole to the South pole.

Day before equinox: The sun is rotating around the North pole. In Alaska, the sun will supposedly set somewhere to the West, curving around to the North.

Day after the equinox: The sun turns South instead of North, and never comes near Alaska.

How in the world has this never been noticed by anyone before?? Am I picturing it wrong? Perhaps you can draw the path of the sun before and after the equinox on the bipolar map so that I can understand better?

You do know that there are places near the polar circle where the sun can set and then not return for months, right?

Yes, but it doesn't happen on the equinox. The sun is visible every day around the equinox in Alaska. Try again.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Tom Bishop on June 14, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Another problem with the bipolar model, and the figure 8 path of the sun:

Let's look at Alaska during the Spring Equinox, when the sun supposedly switches from circling the North pole to the South pole.

Day before equinox: The sun is rotating around the North pole. In Alaska, the sun will supposedly set somewhere to the West, curving around to the North.

Day after the equinox: The sun turns South instead of North, and never comes near Alaska.

How in the world has this never been noticed by anyone before?? Am I picturing it wrong? Perhaps you can draw the path of the sun before and after the equinox on the bipolar map so that I can understand better?

You do know that there are places near the polar circle where the sun can set and then not return for months, right?

Yes, but it doesn't happen on the equinox. The sun is visible every day around the equinox in Alaska. Try again.

When the sun is south of the equator Alaska and the Arctic circle will only have a few hours of daylight, or none at all.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 14, 2016, 11:43:04 PM
Another problem with the bipolar model, and the figure 8 path of the sun:

Let's look at Alaska during the Spring Equinox, when the sun supposedly switches from circling the North pole to the South pole.

Day before equinox: The sun is rotating around the North pole. In Alaska, the sun will supposedly set somewhere to the West, curving around to the North.

Day after the equinox: The sun turns South instead of North, and never comes near Alaska.

How in the world has this never been noticed by anyone before?? Am I picturing it wrong? Perhaps you can draw the path of the sun before and after the equinox on the bipolar map so that I can understand better?

You do know that there are places near the polar circle where the sun can set and then not return for months, right?

Yes, but it doesn't happen on the equinox. The sun is visible every day around the equinox in Alaska. Try again.

When the sun is south of the equator Alaska and the Arctic circle will only have a few hours of daylight, or none at all.

Around the equinoxes (March 20, September 23), there is a solid 12 hours of daylight in Alaska.

If the sun suddenly changed paths on that day, it would be very noticeable. Not only to Alaska, but also anywhere on the corners of your bipolar map: Japan, Northeast Russia, Australia, South America. One day the sun would pass relatively close by, the next day it would be on the other side of the world.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Rounder on June 15, 2016, 04:40:14 AM
The bi-polar 'map' creates so many problems, I can't even remember what problem(s) it was supposed to solve.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on June 15, 2016, 04:45:13 AM
The bi-polar 'map' creates so many problems, I can't even remember what problem(s) it was supposed to solve.

It explains the existence of the South celestial pole. That's about it though.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: rabinoz on June 16, 2016, 02:41:41 AM
The bi-polar 'map' creates so many problems, I can't even remember what problem(s) it was supposed to solve.

Yes you can claim: "Proud member of İntikam's 'Ignore List'", but

;D  ;) Stop gloating! I'm still the first of many (we hope!) "ignored: rabinoz, Rounder, TotesNotReptilian, andruszkow, Unsure101, Lord Dave (i don't see what you write)"  ;)  ;D
But I do have to congratulate you on being a good second place getter, but what about poor Venus.
You want to try the "other site" and have a go at Papa Legba. He's a much more ferocious leg-biter! Doesn't know any more than

Mind you poor "Lord Dave" got a raw deal. getting banned for having the audacity to claim that the US dropped nuclear weapons on Japan.

Actually US Air Force bombed Japan civilians several days with no mercy. There was no Nuke.
You can look up the reports that came from Hiroshima and Nagisaki. It wasn't days of bombing. Everything was dandy one moment, and the next an entire city was silent. Sadly, the US did drop nuclear bombs on those cities and they were unequivocally devastating.  You cannot simulate a nuclear blast with conventional explosives. And there's also the radiation poisoning. If we used conventional bombs, why did so many people get radiation sickness?

I believe there is something is known as radiation but don't believe it caused by nukes. A lot of bombs causes it. magnetic media are also emit radiation. For example the electronic doors have dedector emit radiation while there is no nuke. Also "nuclear medicine" is not nuclear. Just using the laser light but causes the effect that we defined it radiation. Where is nuke? Not needed.
Technically the sensor does not emit radiation but rather absorbs it.  It uses thermal radiation to determine a moving person.
Nuclear medicine refers to using a radioactive dye so a scanner can see blood flow with precision.  At least, one part of nuclear medicine which is what I think you're referring to.

Sure as İntikam says "actually US Air Force bombed Japan civilians several days with no mercy.", but mainly Tokyo, reportedly killing more than the atomic bombs did,
but not so newsworthy as a "nuke on each of Hiroshima and Nagasaki".
Looks like with İntikam "To disagree with him is to get banned by him", no appeal! Well at least he seems to stick to the "True Believers" now.

Well İntikam doesn't believe in nuclear weapons, so we can breathe easy and not worry about ISIS getting hold of some.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Venus on June 16, 2016, 08:46:58 PM

Yes you can claim: "Proud member of İntikam's 'Ignore List'", but

;D  ;) Stop gloating! I'm still the first of many (we hope!) "ignored: rabinoz, Rounder, TotesNotReptilian, andruszkow, Unsure101, Lord Dave (i don't see what you write)"  ;)  ;D
But I do have to congratulate you on being a good second place getter, but what about poor Venus.


I feel so left out !!!  I'm going out the back to eat worms !!!!
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: rabinoz on June 17, 2016, 03:49:06 AM
I feel so left out !!!  I'm going out the back to eat worms !!!!

You just haven't proved him wrong often enough!
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Rounder on June 18, 2016, 06:18:56 PM
Or jumped uninvited into what he imagines to be private dialog, despite being conducted in a public forum.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: UnionsOfSolarSystemPlanet on June 20, 2016, 10:38:56 AM
This is what creates the seasons - long summer days and short winter days in the North, and vice versa for the South.
Correct, but what is the bi-polar model explanation of it?
March to September equinox: 186.4 days
September to March equinox: 178.84 days

Why does the Sun hangs around in the North longer?
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: rabinoz on June 20, 2016, 11:39:12 AM
This is what creates the seasons - long summer days and short winter days in the North, and vice versa for the South.
Correct, but what is the bi-polar model explanation of it?
March to September equinox: 186.4 days
September to March equinox: 178.84 days

Why does the Sun hangs around in the North longer?
To which you could add: Why is the intensity of solar radiation on the earth some 7% higher in the southern hemisphere during its summer than in the northern hemisphere during its summer.
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Solar%20Energy%20Received%20per%20Day%20per%20Unit%20Area%20by%20Season%20and%20Latitude_zpsvckdydpu.png)
Solar Radiation Received per Day

The solar constant is almost 7% higher in the southern hemisphere's summer than in the northern hemisphere's summer. Why?
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: sandokhan on November 19, 2016, 06:50:21 AM
I introduced the global Piri Reis map to the flat earth society; at that point in time, some eight years ago, no other FE seemed to care or to understand that this map was light years ahead of the other unipolar map.

It is perfectly and absolutely incompatible with a Sun which orbits at an altitude of 3000 miles, or that has a diameter of 32 miles, or which does not set or rise.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64997.0

Once the other FE realized that this map does solve all of their problems, they have begun to try and use it in debates, but without much success; it takes an integrated approach, using the faint young sun paradox, the CNO cycle paradox, the impossibility of a spherically sun argument, the fact that planetary gravity is a rotational force, to properly defend this map.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: TotesNotReptilian on November 19, 2016, 08:47:01 AM
I introduced the global Piri Reis map to the flat earth society; at that point in time, some eight years ago, no other FE seemed to care or to understand that this map was light years ahead of the other unipolar map.

Great! Does that mean you can answer the question in the thread title? Can you draw the path of the sun on your map?
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: geckothegeek on November 20, 2016, 05:19:47 AM
The bi-polar 'map' creates so many problems, I can't even remember what problem(s) it was supposed to solve.

It explains the existence of the South celestial pole. That's about it though.

..........And the existence ot Antarctica as a continent and is not the 'ice ring' as shown in the unipolar 'map'.
The distortion is even worse than the unipolar 'map'.
One fe idea presented is that since there is no 'ice ring' is that the edge of the oceans is so far away from the sun and there is so liitle heat that the oceans freeze and prevent the water from flowing over the earth.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: rabinoz on November 20, 2016, 09:22:13 AM
I introduced the global Piri Reis map to the flat earth society; at that point in time, some eight years ago, no other FE seemed to care or to understand that this map was light years ahead of the other unipolar map.

Great! Does that mean you can answer the question in the thread title? Can you draw the path of the sun on your map?
::)  ;D This will answer all the questions you have ever asked and all you ever can ask about the sun's path on the bipolar earth.  ;D  ::)

The Sun does rise and set.

Most of the "facts" presented in the section devoted to the data relating to the Sun are plain wrong.

That is why a big change is needed: the FAQ must be written by those who do actually know flat earth theory very well, and have been able to defend it for all these years successfully.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n206/dharanis1/bunda_zpsfb67a5fa.jpg)

Now you know! Though I'm sure 42 should have come into it somewhere!
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Nirmala on March 27, 2017, 03:38:09 PM
It is not just a "path of the sun" problem with the bipolar map. There are times of day when both eastern Asia and the United States are in daylight, and Europe and Africa are in their nighttime. How do I know? I speak with clients all over the world and so am very familiar with time zones and when I can and cannot reach a client from here in the US. For example, right now in March, when it is 3:00 pm in NYC, then it is 4:00 pm in Buenos Aires, 6:00 am in Sydney, 7:00 am on the Kamachatka peninsula in Eastern Siberia, 8:00 am in Auckland, 9:00 pm in Madrid and Cape Town, 10:00 pm in Moscow, 3:00 am in Beijing, and 12:30 am in New Delhi.

In order for that to work on the bipolar map, the darkness of the night would be located in the middle of the map slicing diagonally across Africa and Europe and much of Asia (but not all of Asia), while the left and right sides including North and South America, Hawaii, Australia, New Zealand, and far eastern Russia would be in daylight. Japan and China would be in darkness while Australia and Eastern Siberia would be in daylight. That would be quite a trick with just one Sun. Really, how do Australia and Eastern Siberia manage to be in daylight when China and Japan are between them on the map and yet would be in darkness?

Maybe there are two suns...and the reason we can't ever see both at the same time....is.....because.....?

Actually, the more I look at the map, I see that the area of daylight forms a very large circle that encloses the area of darkness on the map....how the heck would that work?

At least the unipolar map does not have this problem of a circle of sunlight enclosing an area of darkness.

PS: It is also daylight on Wake Island, but I am not sure where that appears on the bipolar map. It is located east of Japan. But if it is on the right side of the bipolar map, then it clearly completes the circle of daylight surrounding the areas of darkness on the bipolar map.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Novarus on April 08, 2017, 06:50:44 AM
I introduced the global Piri Reis map to the flat earth society; at that point in time, some eight years ago, no other FE seemed to care or to understand that this map was light years ahead of the other unipolar map.

It is perfectly and absolutely incompatible with a Sun which orbits at an altitude of 3000 miles, or that has a diameter of 32 miles, or which does not set or rise.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64997.0

Once the other FE realized that this map does solve all of their problems, they have begun to try and use it in debates, but without much success; it takes an integrated approach, using the faint young sun paradox, the CNO cycle paradox, the impossibility of a spherically sun argument, the fact that planetary gravity is a rotational force, to properly defend this map.

Considering all the things you mention being necessarily defending this map are complete bunk, so is the map.

Firstly, where the hell did Australia go?
Secondly, it still doesn't accurately represent distances travelled every day by tens if not hundreds of thousands of people. (To use an example, the non stop flights from Los Angeles to Seoul, and Sydney to Santiago Dr Chile take roughly the same amount if time - no map accommodates this in the slightest and this one is no better)

Next, you think that gravity and the centripetal force are the same thing. This is like saying my hair is made of shoelaces because I can use the strands to tie my shoes. Sure, they may superficially  resemble each other and have similar effects in certain circumstances but that does not mean they are the same thing.
This basic misconception is the first broken link of your hideously weak chain of physics theories and without it your entire framework falls apart.

These paradoxes you base your reasoning on do not exist outside the Sandokhanian Model (which, if anyone has a spare lifetime to wade through walls of impenetrable and inherently meaningless jargon can be found here: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.0 - it includes more fun misconceptions like subquarks being emitted from the Black Sun and Shadow Moon, the effects of subatomic particles on the human aura and a theory where gravitons have both mass and charge. Oh, and random interjections of music history and how Beatles songs are just classical music.)

Also, might I add that your Piri Reis map is just a two dimensional projection of a sphere -  it even looks like one with the curved coastlines and the round longitude and latitude lines - it's not flat, it's just on a flat screen. Just like every other map projection, it facilitates viewing the surface of a sphere in two dimensions.
Title: Re: Path of the Sun in the Bi-polar Model of the Earth.
Post by: Baraccafuu on April 21, 2017, 06:44:01 AM
hmm... the problem I first see with the bi-polar model is that it puts the intersection of the international dateline and the equator as a circle all the way around the world...
(much like how the one pole model represents the south pole point as all the way around the world.)

I live in Northwestern USA, by the way

where on the model is the sun when the sun is at the point where 180 degree longitude meets the equator...(I mean when it is noon on an equinox at that point)
Does the sun become a ring around the world somehow
I am confused how that is at all possible.