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Re: Answer these:
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2017, 08:26:58 PM »
ideological differences.
You could have simply posted this...

And those ideological differences did boil down, have boiled down, and will boil down, to one thing and one thing only...

Which brand of totalitarian rule will be exercised in order to extract the most amount of wealth from the people.

All the rest is simply the surrounding drama.

Yeah, it is news and heartbreaking for those involved at the time, but one does not need to partake.

One can simply raise the middle finger.
First: Territory. The Soviets wanted AS MUCH land as possible as a buffer between them and a resurgent West that may invade them again. They also wanted the industrial heartland of Germany, the Ruhr, which happened to be in the occupation zone of the Western Allies.
The second was the fact that territory DIRECTLY controlled by the U.S., Britain, and France (One side in the cold war), the occupation zone of western Germany, DIRECTLY TOUCHED the territory DIRECTLY controlled by the USSR, the other side of the Cold War. This will create friction, especially when military units are massed in both due to those areas being the final areas pushed to by those massed armies during the endgame of World War 2, and the fact that the occupation governments were militarily based due to the fact that NOBODY trusted Germany after the SECOND time they had tried to take over Europe.
The final contributor that stirs the pots of these two factors are the ESSENTIAL differences in the ideals and ideologies of the two sides. It was democracy and the free market on one side, with authoritative policies and a controlled economy on the other. It was a battle for supremacy of ideals, and even deeper just a competition of who was smarter, stronger, richer, better.
 They poked, tussled, sent friends to kill each other, but never truly brought it to a fight, which was averted only due to the sheer power of the weapons that would be used, first the atom bomb and then the hydrogen fusion device. Although they both massed armies of flesh and steel on the borders, and re-constituted their respective Germany, they both knew that if they fought for real it would come to a unquenchable fire erupting in the heart of their each and every city, on both sides, in the cities of everyone, everywhere, until the achievements of civilization and civilization itself were scoured clean, and humans everywhere would die in droves, leaving very few survivors. Not very appealing. But they massed their armies, they marched on parade, NATO trained their warheads on the Fulda Gap, mines were lain that are still only being found today, lines were drawn, the planners sat in their bunkers designed to withstand any bomb, the anxious riflemen and tankers wondered if today would be the day that they would be flown in to meet their pre-prepared equipment in West Germany, and people everywhere were scared for their lives. In the end, it never happened. Nuclear war was averted, the lines were drawn but never used, and the Soviet Army was told to sit still in their barracks as the USSR fell apart around them.
If you say that all of the history books were just media farces, then I am genuinely concerned for your mental health. If you wonder why the Cold War never happened, it's because the weapons were TOO STRONG. It was suicidal to even start. That's why America beats up small 3rd world countries every once in a while, to release our Cold War residual anger. The Soviets released it on themselves in the early '90s.
So the cold war was all to real. If you really think that it was all a media farce, you're dumb.

LOL!!!

Maniacal people who invent such weapons are somehow sane enough to avoid their use...

Grimm's fairy tales INDEED!!!

It truly is the same song and dance as those stories of haunted houses and the boogeyman in the woods...

Tales simply made up in order to keep the gullible away from the local moonshiners or other such criminal enterprise...

You fall for it...hook, line, and sinker...

You can believe what you want.
How in the world does the cold war keep people away from the local moonshiner? Besides that, the people who invented them were intending to use them on Hitler and Japan. They just kind of proliferated. It's not song and dance, many died, shots were fired, and a country collapsed. People starved, and the world was pretty shit actually

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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2017, 12:49:35 PM »
How in the world does the cold war keep people away from the local moonshiner?

Holy cow dude...

What are you failing to comprehend?

Tales of the boogeyman and haunted houses and other such scary shit are utilized to keep people away or otherwise occupied while criminal enterprise is being conducted (i.e., GOVERNMENT)

Besides that, the people who invented them were intending to use them on Hitler and Japan.
Oh yeah...just one time...rrriiiggghhhttt...

LMAO!!!
They just kind of proliferated.
No, they have not...
It's not song and dance, many died, shots were fired, and a country collapsed. People starved, and the world was pretty shit actually
You are right...

Many people buy into this bullshit and they all become one gigantic asshole, perfectly willing to inflict their collective assholeishness on every one else...

You know, God Save the King and all that bullshit...

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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2017, 02:49:28 PM »
How in the world does the cold war keep people away from the local moonshiner?

Holy cow dude...

What are you failing to comprehend?

Tales of the boogeyman and haunted houses and other such scary shit are utilized to keep people away or otherwise occupied while criminal enterprise is being conducted (i.e., GOVERNMENT)

Besides that, the people who invented them were intending to use them on Hitler and Japan.
Oh yeah...just one time...rrriiiggghhhttt...

LMAO!!!
They just kind of proliferated.
No, they have not...
It's not song and dance, many died, shots were fired, and a country collapsed. People starved, and the world was pretty shit actually
You are right...

Many people buy into this bullshit and they all become one gigantic asshole, perfectly willing to inflict their collective assholeishness on every one else...

You know, God Save the King and all that bullshit...
You know that the Allies were prepared to turn Germany and Japan into nuclear wastelands if they didn't surrender, right? It wasn't a "Just One" kind of thing. There is no "bogeyman" about the cold war. You are actually suggesting a conspiracy that rewrote all of history for the entire world AND rewrote the memories of, I don't know, Vietnam veterans, Korea veterans, American armored divisions stationed in West Germany, and every person on both sides of the iron curtain.

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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2017, 03:41:44 PM »
You know that the Allies were prepared to turn Germany and Japan into nuclear wastelands if they didn't surrender, right? It wasn't a "Just One" kind of thing. 
No, they were not. You know the firebombings of Tokyo and the heavy losses sustained to the Japanese Naval Fleet had effectively ended the conflict with Japan and the so-called Axis in Europe had effectively collapsed in 1944, primarily due to massive bombings of factories throughout Germany.
There is no "bogeyman" about the cold war. You are actually suggesting a conspiracy that rewrote all of history for the entire world AND rewrote the memories of, I don't know, Vietnam veterans, Korea veterans, American armored divisions stationed in West Germany, and every person on both sides of the iron curtain.

No, I am suggesting an active conspiracy at that time, including full collaboration on the part of both sides, designed to generate maximum profiteering and subjugation of the world's populace.

You actually think the elite are going to engage in a war against each other?

They will not.

The sots will though...

The elites are not manning a machine gun nest...

Jesus man...

Just stop already.

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« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2017, 03:48:30 PM »
You know that the Allies were prepared to turn Germany and Japan into nuclear wastelands if they didn't surrender, right? It wasn't a "Just One" kind of thing. 
No, they were not. You know the firebombings of Tokyo and the heavy losses sustained to the Japanese Naval Fleet had effectively ended the conflict with Japan and the so-called Axis in Europe had effectively collapsed in 1944, primarily due to massive bombings of factories throughout Germany.
There is no "bogeyman" about the cold war. You are actually suggesting a conspiracy that rewrote all of history for the entire world AND rewrote the memories of, I don't know, Vietnam veterans, Korea veterans, American armored divisions stationed in West Germany, and every person on both sides of the iron curtain.

No, I am suggesting an active conspiracy at that time, including full collaboration on the part of both sides, designed to generate maximum profiteering and subjugation of the world's populace.

You actually think the elite are going to engage in a war against each other?

They will not.

The sots will though...

The elites are not manning a machine gun nest...

Jesus man...

Just stop already.
> John F Kennedy was a heroic PT boat commander in the pacific
>George H Bush was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross in the Navy.
>Theodore Roosevelt's son, Theodore Roosevelt Jr, was on Utah Beach during D-Day
Many of these "elite" are simply too old to serve in the military
And the very idea that the Soviet Union and the United States were in a profiteering conspiracy in the cold war is the most preposterous statement I have EVER heard.
You haven't provided any evidence of this conspiracy, either, you just say it happened.

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« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2017, 04:44:29 PM »
> John F Kennedy was a heroic PT boat commander in the pacific
>George H Bush was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross in the Navy.
>Theodore Roosevelt's son, Theodore Roosevelt Jr, was on Utah Beach during D-Day
Many of these "elite" are simply too old to serve in the military
And the very idea that the Soviet Union and the United States were in a profiteering conspiracy in the cold war is the most preposterous statement I have EVER heard.
You haven't provided any evidence of this conspiracy, either, you just say it happened.

Yeah, I am sure the peeps you mentioned were in absolute grave danger.

Yeah, I am sure the governments and elites have absolutely lost all their resources and are not making one thin dime from their respective times at the top.

People spend billions on a campaign to assume an office that only pays 500K a year.

Okay.

Take your Aesop's and continue on.

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« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2017, 05:31:10 PM »
> John F Kennedy was a heroic PT boat commander in the pacific
>George H Bush was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross in the Navy.
>Theodore Roosevelt's son, Theodore Roosevelt Jr, was on Utah Beach during D-Day
Many of these "elite" are simply too old to serve in the military
And the very idea that the Soviet Union and the United States were in a profiteering conspiracy in the cold war is the most preposterous statement I have EVER heard.
You haven't provided any evidence of this conspiracy, either, you just say it happened.

Yeah, I am sure the peeps you mentioned were in absolute grave danger.

Yeah, I am sure the governments and elites have absolutely lost all their resources and are not making one thin dime from their respective times at the top.

People spend billions on a campaign to assume an office that only pays 500K a year.

Okay.

Take your Aesop's and continue on.
Billions on a campaign? I don't think so.
Actually, Roosevelt Jr. was leading a group from the front on Utah, and JFK got the purple heart for the injuries he sustained in his command. A PT boat is just a motorboat with torpedoes, one of the most dangerous jobs in the WW2 navy.
Anyway, I cannot entertain someone who offers no evidence for their claims and also DENIES THE COLD WAR. If you have evidence, re-open this. If not, shut up.

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« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2017, 06:42:41 PM »
Billions on a campaign? I don't think so.
Actually, Roosevelt Jr. was leading a group from the front on Utah, and JFK got the purple heart for the injuries he sustained in his command. A PT boat is just a motorboat with torpedoes, one of the most dangerous jobs in the WW2 navy.
Anyway, I cannot entertain someone who offers no evidence for their claims and also DENIES THE COLD WAR. If you have evidence, re-open this. If not, shut up.

Okay, millions...tens of millions...

to win an office that pays 500 k a year...

Out of the goodness of their heart...

Again, you simply choose to remain willfully ignorant or obtuse or willfully allegiant to ideas and propaganda.

I cannot help this nor will I choose to try.

You can have your point and I can have mine.

As far as shutting up, you know where you can fly that banner...

In the darkest recesses of the pole stuck up your _ _ _.

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« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2017, 07:03:48 PM »
Billions on a campaign? I don't think so.
Actually, Roosevelt Jr. was leading a group from the front on Utah, and JFK got the purple heart for the injuries he sustained in his command. A PT boat is just a motorboat with torpedoes, one of the most dangerous jobs in the WW2 navy.
Anyway, I cannot entertain someone who offers no evidence for their claims and also DENIES THE COLD WAR. If you have evidence, re-open this. If not, shut up.

Okay, millions...tens of millions...

to win an office that pays 500 k a year...

Out of the goodness of their heart...

Again, you simply choose to remain willfully ignorant or obtuse or willfully allegiant to ideas and propaganda.

I cannot help this nor will I choose to try.

You can have your point and I can have mine.

As far as shutting up, you know where you can fly that banner...

In the darkest recesses of the pole stuck up your _ _ _.
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

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« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2017, 04:48:42 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?

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« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2017, 05:44:36 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Re: Answer these:
« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2017, 11:59:59 AM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Nothing else, uh?

Like killing opposition?

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« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2017, 01:52:25 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Nothing else, uh?

Like killing opposition?
Give me proof of such and I will believe it. Same with everything. Proof and I'll believe it. I haven't seen proof of the flat earth yet, neither have I seen proof of presidents assassinating their opponents. There's the fact that NO PRESIDENT except FDR, who was a special case anyway, was in office for more than 8 years. Pretty good proof that presidents are willing to step down.

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« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2017, 02:25:03 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Nothing else, uh?

Like killing opposition?
Give me proof of such and I will believe it. Same with everything. Proof and I'll believe it. I haven't seen proof of the flat earth yet, neither have I seen proof of presidents assassinating their opponents. There's the fact that NO PRESIDENT except FDR, who was a special case anyway, was in office for more than 8 years. Pretty good proof that presidents are willing to step down.

Yep, none of the presidents of the US were ever assassinated and certainly the fine folks like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, et.al., were all very benevolent persons...

Dude, you need to wake up and smell the coffee...

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« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2017, 02:35:41 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Nothing else, uh?

Like killing opposition?
Give me proof of such and I will believe it. Same with everything. Proof and I'll believe it. I haven't seen proof of the flat earth yet, neither have I seen proof of presidents assassinating their opponents. There's the fact that NO PRESIDENT except FDR, who was a special case anyway, was in office for more than 8 years. Pretty good proof that presidents are willing to step down.

Yep, none of the presidents of the US were ever assassinated and certainly the fine folks like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, et.al., were all very benevolent persons...

Dude, you need to wake up and smell the coffee...
Every assassination of a US president has never been conclusively proven to be some kind of "conspiracy". Lenin wasn't that bad of a guy, Stalin and Mao were despotic dictators that weren't elected and didn't leave their office until death, there's no parallel you can draw between them and any president.

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« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2017, 04:22:00 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Nothing else, uh?

Like killing opposition?
Give me proof of such and I will believe it. Same with everything. Proof and I'll believe it. I haven't seen proof of the flat earth yet, neither have I seen proof of presidents assassinating their opponents. There's the fact that NO PRESIDENT except FDR, who was a special case anyway, was in office for more than 8 years. Pretty good proof that presidents are willing to step down.

Yep, none of the presidents of the US were ever assassinated and certainly the fine folks like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, et.al., were all very benevolent persons...

Dude, you need to wake up and smell the coffee...
Every assassination of a US president has never been conclusively proven to be some kind of "conspiracy". Lenin wasn't that bad of a guy, Stalin and Mao were despotic dictators that weren't elected and didn't leave their office until death, there's no parallel you can draw between them and any president.

He even buys into American Exceptionalism... lol

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« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2017, 04:39:03 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Nothing else, uh?

Like killing opposition?
Give me proof of such and I will believe it. Same with everything. Proof and I'll believe it. I haven't seen proof of the flat earth yet, neither have I seen proof of presidents assassinating their opponents. There's the fact that NO PRESIDENT except FDR, who was a special case anyway, was in office for more than 8 years. Pretty good proof that presidents are willing to step down.

Yep, none of the presidents of the US were ever assassinated and certainly the fine folks like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, et.al., were all very benevolent persons...

Dude, you need to wake up and smell the coffee...
Every assassination of a US president has never been conclusively proven to be some kind of "conspiracy". Lenin wasn't that bad of a guy, Stalin and Mao were despotic dictators that weren't elected and didn't leave their office until death, there's no parallel you can draw between them and any president.

He even buys into American Exceptionalism... lol
I don't "buy into it", I read history books. We are exceptional, in many ways. If you give me proof of a conspiracy, I will believe it.

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« Reply #57 on: February 08, 2017, 04:56:32 PM »
So... you read the American History book, written by the American company, in an American public school. Way to cover all your bases when trying to get an accurate view of the world.

I don't need to give you proof of any particular conspiracy, if you're interested everything you want to know is a google search away. What do you have to lose? If you know 9/11 was actually a terrorist attack by muslims that hate our "freedoms," then it shouldn't bother you to watch a few videos, and read a few articles. What's the worse that can happen?

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« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2017, 05:26:57 PM »
Every assassination of a US president has never been conclusively proven to be some kind of "conspiracy". Lenin wasn't that bad of a guy, Stalin and Mao were despotic dictators that weren't elected and didn't leave their office until death, there's no parallel you can draw between them and any president.

I honestly believe you are simply demonstrating the depth of your close-minded narrow view of the OS.

You lick the OS like it is your favorite lollipop.

Yeah, not elected, but only because elections do not take place.

You probably believe the candidates running for national offices are the honest to goodness real deal...

You keep asking for proof for something that is plain as the nose on your face.

It just so happens that nose is conveniently buried in the _ _ _ of your reality.

You are getting the stink face treatment from the MSM and you love it.

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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2017, 12:16:06 AM »
Every assassination of a US president has never been conclusively proven to be some kind of "conspiracy". Lenin wasn't that bad of a guy, Stalin and Mao were despotic dictators that weren't elected and didn't leave their office until death, there's no parallel you can draw between them and any president.

I honestly believe you are simply demonstrating the depth of your close-minded narrow view of the OS.

You lick the OS like it is your favorite lollipop.

Yeah, not elected, but only because elections do not take place.

You probably believe the candidates running for national offices are the honest to goodness real deal...

You keep asking for proof for something that is plain as the nose on your face.

It just so happens that nose is conveniently buried in the _ _ _ of your reality.

You are getting the stink face treatment from the MSM and you love it.
Give me proof that the elections are fake. Everything I've seen seems to support them